PG: Raps outpace Indy

Basketball_Jones · Post #161 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:49 am

Barnes got real aggressive in that second quarter. I can’t even picture him taking 17 shot attempts, it’s all new to him when you know he was in a limited role off the bench at Florida too. It reminds me of…dare I say…Vince Carter when we all started realizing he could score and wasn’t just a back seat to Antwan Jamison in college.

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #162 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:50 am

If Delano keeps up the play, the small guard's days are numbered. That's lots of trade bait.

TheRealDeal · Post #163 » by **TheRealDeal** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:50 am

Imagine if the Giannis 2021 pipe dream actually happened. We’d have a death lineup of Banton-OG-Scottie-Pascal-Giannis :lol:

Good luck even completing a pass

MainEvent · Post #164 » by **MainEvent** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:52 am

pingpongrac · Post #165 » by **pingpongrac** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:53 am

Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
mtcan wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Dragic just looks out of shape tbh, he's been a step slow all pre-season right up till now. He was even blowing off the pre-season in interviews saying that he was a veteran and would play harder when the season starts. Well, it's started and he hasn't.

Is he purposely trying to tank his value and either demand a lesser return in a trade OR force the team to buy him out?

I don't think so, he's just a slow starter. Some guys don't stay in peak shape all year, he seems like the kind who play themselves into shape.

I bet he's been like this in Miami.

Not really. Dragic typically started off the season very well with Miami, but it's hard to judge him so far when his playing time/role is completely different. In Miami, Dragic was typically coming off the bench for 25-30 minutes while hoisting up 12-15 shots. Dragic has played 8 games for us so far (preseason and regular season) and is averaging about 7 FGA in 17 MPG. So he's playing slightly more than half as many minutes while he's also taking shots much less frequently. It's no surprise that his best scoring game (preseason against the Wizards) came without FVV+OG and Dragic playing 22 minutes.

Who knows if Dragic will ever be a key piece for us (personally, I think he will be leading the bench unit when Siakam returns, especially if/when we start to string together more wins), but the start to his Raptors career doesn't mean he's washed or anything like that.

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Madhouse · Post #166 » by **Madhouse** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:53 am

Just always remember how young this team is
Precious, 22
Trent, 22
Barnes, 20
Banton, 21
OG, 24

RapsFanInOhio · Post #167 » by **RapsFanInOhio** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:53 am

mtcan wrote:
rocky_da_best wrote:Surprised to see Nate Bjorkgren on our bench. Has he been here the entire time? lol. I must've missed when it was announced he was coming back.

Indy is still paying Nate...so he can't get another "coaching" job...so he's on the staff as a "consultant"...lol

They announced before the season that Nate is an assistant coach so maybe they paid a buyout?

refshateRaps · Post #168 » by **refshateRaps** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:54 am

will wrote:
refshateRaps wrote:Sniffling D

Stifling?

Thx for sniffing that out.

Was at the beautiful game, now too sleepy to see properly lol

RapsFanInOhio · Post #169 » by **RapsFanInOhio** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:55 am

dTox wrote:How in the world did Banton make so much strides in his game between summer league and the reg. Season? He's looking like a possible long term solution at our starting guard position, but still to early to say that with confidence.

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A full NBA training camp probably helped, but I also think his game is way more suited for the NBA game than the college game (which gets congested and doesn't flow at all) or even Summer League (which is a hot mess at times and doesn't flow as well as actual NBA games). He looks great when he has space and can move freely. You could see a lot of that stuff in his college highlights but it looks better in NBA games because he has more room, in general.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #170 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:57 am

RapsFanInOhio wrote:
mtcan wrote:
rocky_da_best wrote:Surprised to see Nate Bjorkgren on our bench. Has he been here the entire time? lol. I must've missed when it was announced he was coming back.

Indy is still paying Nate...so he can't get another "coaching" job...so he's on the staff as a "consultant"...lol

They announced before the season that Nate is an assistant coach so maybe they paid a buyout?

He’s a consultant still no?

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/10/01/raptors-nate-bjorkgren-returned-toronto-consultant/amp/

Harcore Fenton Mun · Post #171 » by **Harcore Fenton Mun** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:00 am

pingpongrac wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:
mtcan wrote:Is he purposely trying to tank his value and either demand a lesser return in a trade OR force the team to buy him out?

I don't think so, he's just a slow starter. Some guys don't stay in peak shape all year, he seems like the kind who play themselves into shape.

I bet he's been like this in Miami.
Not really. Dragic typically started off the season very well with Miami, but it's hard to judge him so far when his playing time/role is completely different. In Miami, Dragic was typically coming off the bench for 25-30 minutes while hoisting up 12-15 shots. Dragic has played 8 games for us so far (preseason and regular season) and is averaging about 7 FGA in 17 MPG. So he's playing slightly more than half as many minutes while he's also taking shots much less frequently. It's no surprise that his best scoring game (preseason against the Wizards) came without FVV+OG and Dragic playing 22 minutes.

Who knows if Dragic will ever be a key piece for us (personally, I think he will be leading the bench unit when Siakam returns, especially if/when we start to string together more wins), but the start to his Raptors career doesn't mean he's washed or anything like that.

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Yeah, maybe. I wouldn't be shocked either way. I've always seen him as a high variance streaky player. Very hot or cold, be it injuries or whatever reason. I still wouldn't cut him just on principles, either way. If that turns out to be the case.

KrazyP · Post #172 » by **KrazyP** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:06 am

mdenny wrote:Yo one thing we haven't talked much about.....this new officiating trend TOTALLY plays into our hand. Let's hope it sticks. That's the kind of thing that could get us 2 or 3 seed positions.

Works for us in 2 ways: we don't have any Harden/Derozan types that specialize in cheap fouls.

Derozan's still getting to the line at his normal rate.....its based on superior footwork and craftiness.

Its the Harden and Trae Youngs of the world that are taking a hit....i.e. guys who like getting fouled while taking step back 3s.

GordanFreeman · Post #173 » by **GordanFreeman** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:06 am

refshateRaps wrote:
will wrote:
refshateRaps wrote:Sniffling D

Stifling?

Thx for sniffing that out.

Was at the beautiful game, now too sleepy to see properly lol

I was crying and sniffling from joy watching our longbois play D.

And1Skip · Post #174 » by **And1Skip** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:19 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
RapsFanInOhio wrote:
mtcan wrote:Indy is still paying Nate...so he can't get another "coaching" job...so he's on the staff as a "consultant"...lol

They announced before the season that Nate is an assistant coach so maybe they paid a buyout?

He’s a consultant still no?

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/10/01/raptors-nate-bjorkgren-returned-toronto-consultant/amp/

There was no official announcement but he’s officially a coach.

https://www.nba.com/raptors/mlsel-management

He’s officially 4th on the pecking order behind Griffin, Watson and Gleeson so that’s why you see him sit on the “back row” but when Nurse calls timeout, he’s the first to huddle up with his buddy and give his input. I’ve also seen Nate draw up end of game plays too. I really don’t know his role but I hope it doesn’t cause any friction because Watson and Gleeson agreed to come here to be “Front Row” coaches. I’m sure it’s fine though but not sure how Nurse divvies up the Offence/defence/special teams duties with 4 qualified assistants.

Though it has been announced that Nate will go away to coach the Canadian national team during the season in the next set of qualifiers.

DelAbbot · Post #175 » by **DelAbbot** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:21 am

will wrote:
refshateRaps wrote:Sniffling D

Stifling?

there was your chance for PAUSE

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #176 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:23 am

DelAbbot wrote:
will wrote:
refshateRaps wrote:Sniffling D

Stifling?

there was your chance for PAUSE

DelAbbot the tWo has been put on pause by this treadmill victory.

Vampirate · Post #177 » by **Vampirate** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:26 am

TheRealDeal wrote:Imagine if the Giannis 2021 pipe dream actually happened. We’d have a death lineup of Banton-OG-Scottie-Pascal-Giannis

Good luck even completing a pass

Yeah no, if the Raptors had Giannis, Lowry probably resigns and there's no Scottie as they'd be in no draft position to get him.

Giannis alone does that.

WaltFrazier · Post #178 » by **WaltFrazier** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:26 am

I want to see a lineup of Barnes, Banton, Boucher, Birch and Bonga.

The Killer B's.

And it wouldn't be the worst lineup we could put out there

WaltFrazier · Post #179 » by **WaltFrazier** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:29 am

And1Skip wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
RapsFanInOhio wrote:They announced before the season that Nate is an assistant coach so maybe they paid a buyout?

He’s a consultant still no?

https://raptorsrapture.com/2021/10/01/raptors-nate-bjorkgren-returned-toronto-consultant/amp/

There was no official announcement but he’s officially a coach.

https://www.nba.com/raptors/mlsel-management

He’s officially 4th on the pecking order behind Griffin, Watson and Gleeson so that’s why you see him sit on the “back row” but when Nurse calls timeout, he’s the first to huddle up with his buddy and give his input. I’ve also seen Nate draw up end of game plays too. I really don’t know his role but I hope it doesn’t cause any friction because Watson and Gleeson agreed to come here to be “Front Row” coaches. I’m sure it’s fine though but not sure how Nurse divvies up the Offence/defence/special teams duties with 4 qualified assistants.

Though it has been announced that Nate will go away to coach the Canadian national team during the season in the next set of qualifiers.

Banton gave a shout to "Coach Earl" for helping him, in tonight's postgame. A good sign

Scott Hall · Post #180 » by **Scott Hall** » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:29 am

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