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Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

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What will happen?

1 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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2 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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3 of Fred/OG/Trent/Siakam Traded
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Double Down Trades (Poeltl / Turner / etc)
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5%
Nothing Happens
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#161 » by StopitLeo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:34 pm

MoMoneyMoProbs wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.


They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


Think GSW would look to dump Wiseman too? They aren't really enamored with him


They would have to include Wiseman because he’s the only guy with a big enough salary to make a deal work (I am assuming they won’t trade Looney as he is a rotation guy).

It would have to be something like:

Fred + Hernangomez (or someone in his salary range) for Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody/Baldwin Jr./Green/Lamb(?)
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Post#162 » by mtcan » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:37 pm

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fbalmeida wrote:I've been thinking about this impending deadline with the assumption that OG and perhaps Fred are the likely trade candidates, but upon hearing Samson Folk's pros and cons of trading either one of Fred, OG, and Trent, a few new considerations have popped into my head.

I think Trent continues to be a safe bet to remain. Assuming that agent and front office have spoken and that Trent is cool with a number in the low 20's, I think you absolutely re-sign him.

Now if OG's issue is only about getting more touches and not having to point out to Nurse in hotel hallways that Fred isn't letting other guys bring up the ball, we can solve that by trading Fred.... and Siakam.

Selling high on both, we could theoretically reset the team culture around Scottie, OG, Trent, and Achiuwa and round out the roster to our liking with the trade returns. Shipping out Fred and Siakam would also shatter the existing sacrosanct pecking order, totally resetting it for an offense revolving around Scottie. We'd have that young core and a wealth of assets and picks to build upon going forward.

The tale going round is that OG is looking to get his extra touches elsewhere, but at this point I'm super curious about just how impactful the player disgruntlement issues may be and how it may determine who must leave. If not for those stories of his disgruntlement, there'd really be no reason to trade OG right now.


To me the idea that OG wants to be moved because he wants more touches doesn't make sense. The teams that would trade for him most likely have better offensive weapons than the Raptors do and OG would be in a much more apparent 3+D role. I stand by my take that he's not happy with how this offense is run rather than specifically more touches, and as you said, you solve that by trading our two ball stoppers. You can kind of live with GTJ as he's more of a 6th man mindset and he has at time shown willingness to pass when the whole team does it.

Makes total sense.

As we all are familiar with...the idea that the grass is always greener on the other side...

OG's a 4th or 5th option on offence...on this team...and rightfully so. Until Fred and Pascal are moved...they are your first and second options. Scottie should be looking for his. Gary is always looking for his. OG gets left with the sloppy seconds after those other guys eat.

THAT SAID...OG is at best a #3 option. He's Ron Artest. He has no business getting the most shots on any team. He'll hit open 3s. He'll finish around the basket and he might occasionally get a step back mid-range jumper.

It's Jerami Grant when he left Denver...he thought he was better than being 4th option in Denver...so he left a great situation to be the first option in Detroit. He probably understands better what his role is now...but he needed to see how good he could be.

OG and Mikal Bridges at this point are the same kind of player in the same kind of role. Bridges accepts and plays the part perfectly. OG wants more. We will see where he ends up and if he truly is happier.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#163 » by Sandman88 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:42 pm

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Sandman88 wrote:Masai and Bobby wait too long and ultimately nothing substantial happens. Calling it now


This just sounds like you want a trade for the sake of making a trade.

I want trades for the sake of setting this team in the right direction and building around Scottie, not pascal
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Post#164 » by sidsid » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:43 pm

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SurgeIblocka wrote:I think Nets want to compete to convince KD. The main reason they took Macs trade is because they can use some of those assets to get a PG replacement. I can see them going after Fred option A , Rozier option B or even D. Russell Option C. I think for them they have a 1 to 2 year compete window before KD demands out. So the PHX package getting CP3 back would not entice them because CP3 is nowhere near where he use to be and is not guaranteed to help them in the playoffs.


be real, they are not trading spencer/picks for an FVV upgrade, I think they are going for someone like Lavine and maybe even OG.

Rozier?


Yeah, and I think DeMar is the more likely candidate. They can't really pair potential youth stars with KD because they don't have the assets. But they can get a few aging stars who have a couple years left in them to try to make something happen in what are also likely Durant's last peak years as well.

If they had the contracts I think they'd get the Kyle Lowrys as well. You have to check those out for Simmons.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#165 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:51 pm

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Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.


They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


They have also won a ton of championships. Maybe they would rather build their young core and create a better transition between current team and team going forward? To me they're the team that's probably the least desperate.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#166 » by Boogie! » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:51 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
MoMoneyMoProbs wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


Think GSW would look to dump Wiseman too? They aren't really enamored with him


They would have to include Wiseman because he’s the only guy with a big enough salary to make a deal work (I am assuming they won’t trade Looney as he is a rotation guy).

It would have to be something like:

Fred + Hernangomez (or someone in his salary range) for Wiseman + Kuminga + Moody/Baldwin Jr./Green/Lamb(?)


Lmfao... no way golden state does that trade. I mean if they offer that to us, I take it and run.
mdenny wrote:In anycase....Masai is probably gonna make Fred the first active player/head coach in franchise history now that Nurse is out of the way. That's been the plan all along.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#167 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:53 pm

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NotMyKawhi wrote:MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was


1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.


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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#168 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:55 pm

What are some of the arguments against reacquiring Jakob Poeltl who arguably is one of the best if not the best interior defender in the entire league. I think he would bring a lot of value to this team. He's much more refined as a player than when we had him years ago and there's a reason San Antonio has held firm on an asking price until now.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#169 » by Harcore Fenton Mun » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:57 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.


They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


They have also won a ton of championships. Maybe they would rather build their young core and create a better transition between current team and team going forward? To me they're the team that's probably the least desperate.

Their GM might also be gone after this year, so it's now or never.
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Post#170 » by douggood » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:57 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:What are some of the arguments against reacquiring Jakob Poeltl who arguably is one of the best if not the best interior defender in the entire league. I think he would bring a lot of value to this team. He's much more refined as a player than when we had him years ago and there's a reason San Antonio has held firm on an asking price until now.

if rebuilding, giving up assets for any player not worth it.
even if retooling, is poetl at 4yr 80mil worth it with precious and koloko around.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#171 » by DelAbbot » Mon Feb 6, 2023 4:57 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.


They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


Lmaoooooooooooooooo.

They ain’t trading Kuminga for FVV.

They’d do Wiseman and Moody.
Wiseman is going to cost them like 30M next year because of them being over the luxury tax.


You know Wiseman is on a rookie contract, at year 3 and 4 are team options, so Wiseman can be released for no cost
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#172 » by Madvillainy2004 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:04 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was


1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.


Losing Kawhi for nothing is absolutely hilarious. Should've maximized his value at the deadline lmao
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Post#173 » by douggood » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:06 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was

messing up a top 5 pick is easy, could have easily been suggs if the mocks, projections, board etc would have made the pick.
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Post#174 » by NotMyKawhi » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:10 pm

Tha Cynic wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:MU isn't the guy he use to be. Ppl like to ignore how horrible he's been post championship.

Lost Kawhi and Danny Green for nothing
lost Ibaka and Gasol for nothing
Lost one of the greatest Raptors in history lowry
2 bottom 7 finishes
Set up a team that's gonna be a tax team if you keep it together this summer and is bottom 7

Scottie Is his best move post ship and its hard to not mess up a top 5 pick. MU isn't who you thought he was


1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.


That poster ignores everything anyone says and simply posts the same thing over and over again. If my kids ever ask me what a troll is, I'll save this and show them. :lol:


1) ignored what I said, post championship. Does he get a trump card forever bc of kawhi? Kawhi got us that ship


Precious is okay but lets calm down. Championship hangover for 5 years? lol whole lot of excuses. BC's big 3 of Lowry, DD and JV did carry MU to success for a while before kawhi brought us a championship.

MU didn't come into a horrible situation. The same big 3 carried him for years. He isn't as good as you give him credit for.
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Post#175 » by StopitLeo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:11 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
Harcore Fenton Mun wrote:Curry went down for the Warriors, wait for them to call about Fred.


They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


Lmaoooooooooooooooo.

They ain’t trading Kuminga for FVV.

They’d do Wiseman and Moody.
Wiseman is going to cost them like 30M next year because of them being over the luxury tax.


They don't really have much choice if they want to trade for someone making ~$20M. Wiseman has to be included because of his salary and none of their guys other than Kuminga have any significant trade value or sufficient salary.

To make a trade for Fred work they would have to send us Wiseman, Moody, Baldwin Jr., and JaMychal Green or Iguodala. I wouldn't trade a 2nd round pick for any or all of those guys.
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Re: Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm) 

Post#176 » by Duffman100 » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:12 pm

NotMyKawhi wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
1. We won a title
2. We made it to game 7 of the second round (neither had much value anyways)
3. We got precious
4. Championship hangover
5. He hasn't kept it together yet, so you can hold something against him that he hasn't done.

Just a terrible terrible take.


That poster ignores everything anyone says and simply posts the same thing over and over again. If my kids ever ask me what a troll is, I'll save this and show them. :lol:


1) ignored what I said, post championship. Does he get a trump card forever bc of kawhi? Kawhi got us that ship


Precious is okay but lets calm down. Championship hangover for 5 years? lol whole lot of excuses. BC's big 3 of Lowry, DD and JV did carry MU to success for a while before kawhi brought us a championship.

MU didn't come into a horrible situation. The same big 3 carried him for years. He isn't as good as you give him credit for.


How was he suppose to get value for Kawhi and Danny Green post championship?

Precious for a SnT is a really decent return.

Yes, 5 years. What have our picks been? Where have they been? The only high pick he had he delivered on. He had to sell a lot of picks to get us that title
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Post#177 » by StopitLeo » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:14 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
StopitLeo wrote:
They have a limited Championship window so it would make sense. Kuminga is probably the main guy of interest.

So Fred for Kuminga with salary filler on both sides.

People probably want to squeeze out a pick out of them but Moody, Lamb, or Baldwin Jr. being filler might have to suffice.


Lmaoooooooooooooooo.

They ain’t trading Kuminga for FVV.

They’d do Wiseman and Moody.
Wiseman is going to cost them like 30M next year because of them being over the luxury tax.


You know Wiseman is on a rookie contract, at year 3 and 4 are team options, so Wiseman can be released for no cost


He's in year 3 and they already exercised their option for next year ($12M).
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Post#178 » by Psubs » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:17 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:What are some of the arguments against reacquiring Jakob Poeltl who arguably is one of the best if not the best interior defender in the entire league. I think he would bring a lot of value to this team. He's much more refined as a player than when we had him years ago and there's a reason San Antonio has held firm on an asking price until now.


He's an UFA in the summer so can just sign him in the summer. Asking price right now is not-reasonable.
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Post#179 » by NotMyKawhi » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:18 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
NotMyKawhi wrote:
Tha Cynic wrote:
That poster ignores everything anyone says and simply posts the same thing over and over again. If my kids ever ask me what a troll is, I'll save this and show them. :lol:


1) ignored what I said, post championship. Does he get a trump card forever bc of kawhi? Kawhi got us that ship


Precious is okay but lets calm down. Championship hangover for 5 years? lol whole lot of excuses. BC's big 3 of Lowry, DD and JV did carry MU to success for a while before kawhi brought us a championship.

MU didn't come into a horrible situation. The same big 3 carried him for years. He isn't as good as you give him credit for.


How was he suppose to get value for Kawhi and Danny Green post championship?

Precious for a SnT is a really decent return.

Yes, 5 years. What have our picks been? Where have they been? The only high pick he had he delivered on. He had to sell a lot of picks to get us that title


He sold those picks for money 99% of the time. Cash considerations over and over. Trading 1sts to get off carroll. giving 1sts to the spurs to save some money. I'll give him credit for having to deal w cheap owners but he came into a good situation. JV, Lowry and DD big three and Ross who had lots of trade value. Rudy Gay had trade value. Had the former #1 pick on top of that. He had assets
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Post#180 » by Tha Cynic » Mon Feb 6, 2023 5:18 pm

sidsid wrote:
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SurgeIblocka wrote:I think Nets want to compete to convince KD. The main reason they took Macs trade is because they can use some of those assets to get a PG replacement. I can see them going after Fred option A , Rozier option B or even D. Russell Option C. I think for them they have a 1 to 2 year compete window before KD demands out. So the PHX package getting CP3 back would not entice them because CP3 is nowhere near where he use to be and is not guaranteed to help them in the playoffs.


be real, they are not trading spencer/picks for an FVV upgrade, I think they are going for someone like Lavine and maybe even OG.

Rozier?


Yeah, and I think DeMar is the more likely candidate. They can't really pair potential youth stars with KD because they don't have the assets. But they can get a few aging stars who have a couple years left in them to try to make something happen in what are also likely Durant's last peak years as well.

If they had the contracts I think they'd get the Kyle Lowrys as well. You have to check those out for Simmons.


Portland should offer Simons, Sharpe, Hart, Grant and picks for KD, Dimwiddie, Mills and Yuta. Depends on what the Nets ultimately want to do. :lol:

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