Haynes: Damian Lillard Requests Trade

[MoneyBall]

POR can’t afford to invest in two overpaid non-star forwards.

I’d rather have OG than Grant but I’d rather have neither at the cost. Too far from contention to pay that kind of money for a top shelf role player.

Curious how you think OG would handle a larger role on offense. He can’t even dribble.

Grant will be 30. I figure they'd trade him anyway.

If you had to pick, would you rather have OG or Tyler Herro?

I don't think OG can handl more offense unless he's fed more catch and shoot threes and post ups.

I don’t want either at the salary.

But the question is, if you had to pick...

[JRoy]

Grant will be 30. I figure they'd trade him anyway.

If you had to pick, would you rather have OG or Tyler Herro?

I don't think OG can handl more offense unless he's fed more catch and shoot threes and post ups.

I don’t want either at the salary.

But the question is, if you had to pick...

But I don’t have to pick.

[MoneyBall]

I don’t want either at the salary.

But the question is, if you had to pick...

But I don’t have to pick.

You're no fun.

[Morse Code]

JRoy STILL here shooting holes in ****

[HumbleRen]

best i can do is GTJ/Boucher/Flynn and Thady Young for Dame

[tanuki1031]

Which is?

They delay your free agency by a season if you sit out

That's not a deterant for him, or others... to try to bolt to their choice, after getting a max... only complete forfeiture of all compensation owed, automatically, for starters AND PREVENTION of any other team to trade or sign a player under those circumstances would be a start ..m but we have a spineless commis now..

I couldn't find an article in my 30 sec google search but I recall in an older Lowe Post podcast during the Harden fiasco (pre-Sixers trade, forget if it was HOU to BKN or BKN to PHI. Sigh. Harden.) that the largest issue of not reporting is that the team will continue to hold your professional basketball ball future in limbo until they agree to release you from the penalty of non-performance.
This hold persists in perpetuity beyond the existing NBA contract duration the player chooses to non-perform and across all recognized professional basketball leagues meaning the player can't go to China or the Big3.

Non-reporting is not even a consideration for Lillard. This is fundamentally different from the Simmons situation where he was claiming a medical inability to perform. Lillard's case would be closer to Harden where it was simply a player choosing not to perform according to the contract.

[Spida888]

They delay your free agency by a season if you sit out

That's not a deterant for him, or others... to try to bolt to their choice, after getting a max... only complete forfeiture of all compensation owed, automatically, for starters AND PREVENTION of any other team to trade or sign a player under those circumstances would be a start ..m but we have a spineless commis now..

I couldn't find an article in my 30 sec google search but I recall in an older Lowe Post podcast during the Harden fiasco (pre-Sixers trade, forget if it was HOU to BKN or BKN to PHI. Sigh. Harden.) that the largest issue of not reporting is that the team will continue to hold your professional basketball ball future in limbo until they agree to release you from the penalty of non-performance.
This hold persists in perpetuity beyond the existing NBA contract duration the player chooses to non-perform and across all recognized professional basketball leagues meaning the player can't go to China or the Big3.

Non-reporting is not even a consideration for Lillard. This is fundamentally different from the Simmons situation where he was claiming a medical inability to perform. Lillard's case would be closer to Harden where it was simply a player choosing not to perform according to the contract.

That CBA clause that applies to Harden's situation is only if the player is in the last year of their contract which isn't the case for Dame. So, I think if he doesn't play for whichever team he's on, they can choose to not pay him like Simmons, but they cannot block his free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272573/Sixers-Protected-From-James-Harden-Holding-Out-Due-To-Obscure-Clause-In-CBA

[JRoy]

best i can do is GTJ/Boucher/Flynn and Thady Young for Dame

Best I can do is No thank you.

[JRoy]

But the question is, if you had to pick...

But I don’t have to pick.

You're no fun.

I rule this place from behind the scenes.

[Tha Cynic]

POR can’t afford to invest in two overpaid non-star forwards.

I’d rather have OG than Grant but I’d rather have neither at the cost. Too far from contention to pay that kind of money for a top shelf role player.

Curious how you think OG would handle a larger role on offense. He can’t even dribble.

Grant will be 30. I figure they'd trade him anyway.

If you had to pick, would you rather have OG or Tyler Herro?

I don't think OG can handl more offense unless he's fed more catch and shoot threes and post ups.

I don’t want either at the salary.

We don't want him for more than that either. Bad contract, and probably has one good year, two at most left in him. Also seems to be a bit entitled .

Also his archetypes never win as lead players unless they're Steph Curry.

[Tha Cynic]

That's way over what the Heat are offering. No need to trump them by that much.

Gary, OG, precious and 2 picks beats the heat offer. I think the blazers would take OG over anyone the heat is offering.

I think the Blazers want Scottie in any deal.

OG fits with the win-now timeline and if you have Dame...giving OG and Pascal extensions makes more sense.

You will expect to part with Scottie in any Dame deal. I hated including Gradey in a trade but needed salary to make the deal work.

But if the Blazers are cool with Scottie, GTJ's expiring, multiple first round picks and filler...then that works too.

Terrible trade from a Raptors perspective

[Scase]

Gary, OG, precious and 2 picks beats the heat offer. I think the blazers would take OG over anyone the heat is offering.

I think the Blazers want Scottie in any deal.

OG fits with the win-now timeline and if you have Dame...giving OG and Pascal extensions makes more sense.

You will expect to part with Scottie in any Dame deal. I hated including Gradey in a trade but needed salary to make the deal work.

But if the Blazers are cool with Scottie, GTJ's expiring, multiple first round picks and filler...then that works too.

Terrible trade from a Raptors perspective

IMO any "fair" trade for Dame is a terrible trade for the Raps. There is no world where adding him to this team makes them a legit contender.

[wegotthabeet]

But I don’t have to pick.

You're no fun.

I rule this place from behind the scenes.

Just don’t disappear when Portland inevitably gets 25 cents on the dollar for dame.

[sidsid]

You'll know the Trent/Grady package is getting somewhere if you start hearing rumours about Toronto talking to the Spurs about eliminating protections on next year's pick.

[JRoy]

You're no fun.

I rule this place from behind the scenes.

Just don’t disappear when Portland inevitably gets 25 cents on the dollar for dame.

I expect a deal that I will hate. Superstars rarely pull equal value.

[tanuki1031]

That's not a deterant for him, or others... to try to bolt to their choice, after getting a max... only complete forfeiture of all compensation owed, automatically, for starters AND PREVENTION of any other team to trade or sign a player under those circumstances would be a start ..m but we have a spineless commis now..

I couldn't find an article in my 30 sec google search but I recall in an older Lowe Post podcast during the Harden fiasco (pre-Sixers trade, forget if it was HOU to BKN or BKN to PHI. Sigh. Harden.) that the largest issue of not reporting is that the team will continue to hold your professional basketball ball future in limbo until they agree to release you from the penalty of non-performance.
This hold persists in perpetuity beyond the existing NBA contract duration the player chooses to non-perform and across all recognized professional basketball leagues meaning the player can't go to China or the Big3.

Non-reporting is not even a consideration for Lillard. This is fundamentally different from the Simmons situation where he was claiming a medical inability to perform. Lillard's case would be closer to Harden where it was simply a player choosing not to perform according to the contract.

That CBA clause that applies to Harden's situation is only if the player is in the last year of their contract which isn't the case for Dame. So, I think if he doesn't play for whichever team he's on, they can choose to not pay him like Simmons, but they cannot block his free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272573/Sixers-Protected-From-James-Harden-Holding-Out-Due-To-Obscure-Clause-In-CBA

Thanks for finding the link!

Dame won't even be a free agent for another 3 years. Is he really going to not report all those years and forfeit the total salary?
Plus, the team would still hold the rights to his 3 years later expiring contract and he'd now be under that CBA clause. Unless, he sits 2.5 years and decides to play the final 1.5 months of his expiring year so the clause won't kick in.

Dame really has zero leverage with the Blazers or any other team. It doesn't matter if he says he won't report himself or gets a mouthpiece to do it. If he ultimately doesn't show the penalties will come in accordingly.

[sidsid]

I couldn't find an article in my 30 sec google search but I recall in an older Lowe Post podcast during the Harden fiasco (pre-Sixers trade, forget if it was HOU to BKN or BKN to PHI. Sigh. Harden.) that the largest issue of not reporting is that the team will continue to hold your professional basketball ball future in limbo until they agree to release you from the penalty of non-performance.
This hold persists in perpetuity beyond the existing NBA contract duration the player chooses to non-perform and across all recognized professional basketball leagues meaning the player can't go to China or the Big3.

Non-reporting is not even a consideration for Lillard. This is fundamentally different from the Simmons situation where he was claiming a medical inability to perform. Lillard's case would be closer to Harden where it was simply a player choosing not to perform according to the contract.

That CBA clause that applies to Harden's situation is only if the player is in the last year of their contract which isn't the case for Dame. So, I think if he doesn't play for whichever team he's on, they can choose to not pay him like Simmons, but they cannot block his free agency.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/272573/Sixers-Protected-From-James-Harden-Holding-Out-Due-To-Obscure-Clause-In-CBA

Thanks for finding the link!

Dame won't even be a free agent for another 3 years. Is he really going to not report all those years and forfeit the total salary?
Plus, the team would still hold the rights to his 3 years later expiring contract and he'd now be under that CBA clause. Unless, he sits 2.5 years and decides to play the final 1.5 months of his expiring year so the clause won't kick in.

Dame really has zero leverage with the Blazers or any other team. It doesn't matter if he says he won't report himself or gets a mouthpiece to do it. If he ultimately doesn't show the penalties will come in accordingly.

At this point it makes more sense for Lillard to play in Portland and basically take over than sit out. The Blazers won't mind giving Scoot the ball all day and tanking more seasons as the youth develops.

Dame demanding the ball and time and pulling basically a retirement Kobe season until he gets traded like he wants would be enough to cause turmoil and hamper development. The catalyst needed to get management to act.

[bballsparkin]

I rule this place from behind the scenes.

Just don’t disappear when Portland inevitably gets 25 cents on the dollar for dame.

I expect a deal that I will hate. Superstars rarely pull equal value.

Superstar? Former superstar sure. Kinda. That term is used way too loosely these days.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

The only reasonable trade is

Barnes, Boucher, OPJ, Thad, Flynn

Barnes and Siakam doesn't work, this is the best alternate scenario

Dame /Denis S
GTJ/ Dick
oG/ McDaniels/temple
PS/Precious
Yak/Koloko

Balanced team with a top ten player, All NBA top #2 option. Can't really beat that.

Blazers get the ultimate piece for their timeline, and 3 buyout options to boot.

/Thread

[MoneyBall]

Just don’t disappear when Portland inevitably gets 25 cents on the dollar for dame.

I expect a deal that I will hate. Superstars rarely pull equal value.

Superstar? Former superstar sure. Kinda. That term is used way too loosely these days.

And he's got a lot of mileage on him too. Lowry's production dropped like a rock at around 35. If you want to compete with Dame as your best player, you have one, maybe two years. And then he'll be owed more than 120 million over two seasons after that.

I'm not giving up one of the best prospects in franchise history for that.