Official Scottie Barnes Thread

[will]

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

Your comparison of Giddey with Rubio is a tad premature, don't you think. His shot from distance is definitely a work in progress, but the other skills are more advanced than I had anticipated as a 19 year old. And the height difference is not simply a throw-away observation; he is an elite rebounder for a point guard and will continue to improve with physical growth and maturity. And when he actually plays with better teammates his assist rate will only go up. Look at the scrubs he is playing with and passing to.

Either way, the ROY is Mobley's to lose.

Agreed.

Giddey is a very very tall point guard. Plus, he is rather crafty at the hoop, something Rubio never had and never will.

[canada_dry]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

Why do u think rubio is a bad defender btw? Cuz hes a euro pg? Hes always been a very very good defensive player...lol

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[sogood]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

I would agree with this. Right now Mobley is still top dawg.

Giddey is #2 in my mind. This kid has it all (minus the defense). Court vision is so elite. I would have been happy taking him as well. I would love to see Barnes develop and be given the opportunity to push the ball up the court like Giddey has received.

The other hot riser is Franz Wagner. I would never have thought this prior to the draft....never.

Giddey is essentially a tall Ricky Rubio. Can't shoot from outside and bad on defense. Maybe he develops in those areas.

Mobley, Cade, Franz and Scottie, then Giddey in ROY. If Giddey would win it it would be like Michael Carter-Williams winning by putting up offensive numbers on a bad team.

Lmao Rubio has always been a good defender. Why are you talking out of your ass?

[Psubs]

My bad, I guess he was good the 1st 3 years when he couldn't shoot at all, then his offense got better and his defense leveled off. I guess I don't recall him much during those early years when he seemed like a bust.

[canada_dry]

My bad, I guess he was good the 1st 3 years when he couldn't shoot at all, then his offense got better and his defense leveled off. I guess I don't recall him much during those early years when he seemed like a bust.

Oh he still has been tho. Including this year.

Thats the fear with a 2nd knee injury with him. His offense doesn't rely on athleticism, but his defense might fall off now when he returns.

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[will]

My bad, I guess he was good the 1st 3 years when he couldn't shoot at all, then his offense got better and his defense leveled off. I guess I don't recall him much during those early years when he seemed like a bust.

Oh he still has been tho. Including this year.

Thats the fear with a 2nd knee injury with him. His offense doesn't rely on athleticism, but his defense might fall off now when he returns.

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Yeah, his calling card was passing and defense coming from Spain. His shooting was awful.

The shooting and especially FT% has improved...the defensive abilities have dropped off. Probably due to playing pro hoops since he was 14 or 15 years of age.

[Yeezus_]

I'm not completely sold on Giddey being a star in this league. You need to be either a two way player or you need to be super efficient offensively that your defense doesn't hinder you i.e. Dame/Harden. Not sure if he'll ever be either of these but he's still super young so who knows. He's definitely at the very minimum a solid role player with upside for something great.

[will]

I'm not completely sold on Giddey being a star in this league. You need to be either a two way player or you need to be super efficient offensively that your defense doesn't hinder you i.e. Dame/Harden. Not sure if he'll ever be either of these but he's still super young so who knows. He's definitely at the very minimum a solid role player with upside for something great.

The early returns look real good. OKC is far from being a finished product. A young big to put alongside Shai and Giddey could speed things up.

[Yeezus_]

I'm not completely sold on Giddey being a star in this league. You need to be either a two way player or you need to be super efficient offensively that your defense doesn't hinder you i.e. Dame/Harden. Not sure if he'll ever be either of these but he's still super young so who knows. He's definitely at the very minimum a solid role player with upside for something great.

The early returns look real good. OKC is far from being a finished product. A young big to put alongside Shai and Giddey could speed things up.

Yeah I feel like if you put some 3&d guys or some elite role players around those two, they'll be more efficient too.

[will]

I'm not completely sold on Giddey being a star in this league. You need to be either a two way player or you need to be super efficient offensively that your defense doesn't hinder you i.e. Dame/Harden. Not sure if he'll ever be either of these but he's still super young so who knows. He's definitely at the very minimum a solid role player with upside for something great.

The early returns look real good. OKC is far from being a finished product. A young big to put alongside Shai and Giddey could speed things up.

Yeah I feel like if you put some 3&d guys or some elite role players around those two, they'll be more efficient too.

A player like Scottie Barnes

[Madhouse]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

He will definitely fall out of the race.

Mobley is already ahead but Wagner, Cunningham, Green and Giddey could all overtake him.

He might finish 2nd team all rookie if he unlucky, not that it matters though.

But he just won't get the touches with a full team.

[Madhouse]

What I found good to see is Nurse putting Scottie at PG once Fred goes to the bench. He's done it for a few games now and it really keeps the offense running smoothly. I want to see Scottie getting more of those reps.

It's difficult to explain to me but I don't think he really will ever be able to play PG or run an offense.

[TNRaps4life]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/raptors-moving-scottie-barnes-bench-could-raise-ceiling-195440018.html

[vulture]

What I found good to see is Nurse putting Scottie at PG once Fred goes to the bench. He's done it for a few games now and it really keeps the offense running smoothly. I want to see Scottie getting more of those reps.

It's difficult to explain to me but I don't think he really will ever be able to play PG or run an offense.

I think he will get the hang of it and it’s good that he’s doing it against backups right now just to see if he can do it.

Another thing to consider is to get him more decision making opportunities with the ball in his hands. In the starting lineup Fred, pascal and OG get the touches and rightfully so. If Scottie excels then Fred can get more off ball opportunities because he is their best shooter to diversify the offense that much more.

[hype_2004]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

He will definitely fall out of the race.

Mobley is already ahead but Wagner, Cunningham, Green and Giddey could all overtake him.

He might finish 2nd team all rookie if he unlucky, not that it matters though.

But he just won't get the touches with a full team.

See it's all about usage and touches on this league, no gives a damn about advanced stats and defensive impact. This is why a guy like Westbrook won the MVP by chasing triple doubles while playing no defense, Giddeyy is a good young offensive player but he still can't shoot and is moving pylon that gets abused in one on one matchup, don't care about numbers show me you can impact the game without the ball in your hands like Kawhi, Giannis and Scottie Barnes.

[HiJiNX]

I think people don’t wanna believe in Giddey because he looks more like a nerdy science teacher than an athlete but the dude can flat out ball. Future all star. Not perennial, but I can see him going to four or five.

[Madhouse]

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/raptors-moving-scottie-barnes-bench-could-raise-ceiling-195440018.html

I think it's all semantics. Our depth is still the same and we are already staggering the minutes to not let a full bench unit play and always have a couple core players on the court. Barnes really can't play backup PG either.

[TrustFundBaby]

Giddey has a 45% TS, he flat out cannot score the ball

Can stuff the stat sheet and OKC taking him at 6 was smart but I don't think he can displace Barnes off 1st team Rookie

Mobley
Barnes
Cade
Wagner
Giddey

In fact, the question is more so Giddey vs Green for the 5th spot at this moment

[Madhouse]

I think Scottie is going to drop out of the top 3 ROTY conversation due to everyone being healthy again.

It’ll be fun to see how he gets his opportunities as the 4/5th option, would like to see him embrace being even more of a Swiss knife off the ball.

He will definitely fall out of the race.

Mobley is already ahead but Wagner, Cunningham, Green and Giddey could all overtake him.

He might finish 2nd team all rookie if he unlucky, not that it matters though.

But he just won't get the touches with a full team.

See it's all about usage and touches on this league, no gives a damn about advanced stats and defensive impact. This is why a guy like Westbrook won the MVP by chasing triple doubles while playing no defense, Giddeyy is a good young offensive player but he still can't shoot and is moving pylon that gets abused in one on one matchup, don't care about numbers show me you can impact the game without the ball in your hands like Kawhi, Giannis and Scottie Barnes.

It's definitely about usage and he is 6th in usage on his own team while some others will be first options or 2nd at least. Boucher is 'outusaging' him. He won't have a shot.

[Madhouse]

What I found good to see is Nurse putting Scottie at PG once Fred goes to the bench. He's done it for a few games now and it really keeps the offense running smoothly. I want to see Scottie getting more of those reps.

It's difficult to explain to me but I don't think he really will ever be able to play PG or run an offense.

I think he will get the hang of it and it’s good that he’s doing it against backups right now just to see if he can do it.

Another thing to consider is to get him more decision making opportunities with the ball in his hands. In the starting lineup Fred, pascal and OG get the touches and rightfully so. If Scottie excels then Fred can get more off ball opportunities because he is their best shooter to diversify the offense that much more.

Might be wrong but I really don't see it working. I think he can be great getting the ball in the half court offense and making passes and assists but running an entire offense, I don't see it. I see a lot of turnovers if he has to do that. He is a different type of player.