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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1861 » by gundysmullet » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:02 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:I am completely ok with players backing out and not playing for free and for someone else to make money off of them.

What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


shut up about globalism and go volunteer at the legion, damn

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Post#1862 » by gundysmullet » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:02 pm

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Double Helix wrote:I’m excited to see Boucher’s continued unconventional development curve.


I have a weird feeling he's going to be Canada's best player at the world cup.

I was thinking the same thing. His skill set is very conducive to being a dominant player in FIBA
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Post#1863 » by gundysmullet » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:04 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
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Fairview4Life wrote:I am completely ok with players backing out and not playing for free and for someone else to make money off of them.

What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


Volunteering at a local hospital is different than volunteering to play a sport to make other people money, which is what these tournaments are.

And "Globalism" doesn't suck. You suck.

How so? Hospitals make tons of money. And aren’t personal attacks against the terms of service here? So of course I’m obligated to report this post.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1864 » by SharoneWright » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:07 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:I am completely ok with players backing out and not playing for free and for someone else to make money off of them.

What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


Volunteering at a local hospital is different than volunteering to play a sport to make other people money, which is what these tournaments are.

And "Globalism" doesn't suck. You suck.


It's not always about money. It's about doing something you personally value. If the organizers don't run a loss, so much the better. That means international basketball competition is likely to continue in the future. But plenty of Canadian hoopsters, many of whom are very rich, don't appear to care too much about playing for their country. That's the take home message here, not the ticket prices in Beijing.

You've made Howard a bunch of advetising dollars on this site with all your volunteer posting. You like to post. He is profiting. When do you start your boycott?

Personally, I'd rather play basketball for my country for free than to post on this message site for free (as fulfilling as I do find it) -- unfortunately for me, my options are limited! :lol:
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1865 » by Duffman100 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:08 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:I am completely ok with players backing out and not playing for free and for someone else to make money off of them.

What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


Volunteering at a local hospital is different than volunteering to play a sport to make other people money, which is what these tournaments are.

And "Globalism" doesn't suck. You suck.


Don't' make it personal.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1866 » by Duffman100 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:09 pm

gundysmullet wrote:
Mattd97 wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


shut up about globalism and go volunteer at the legion, damn

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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1867 » by mojo13 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:21 pm

Duffman saves the thread!

<Pelvis Thrust> Oh ya!


Thomas Huertal is out with an injury. Helpful if by some chance we make it to the second round as he was a likely starting guard for France.


By the way if anyone is interested in a global conversation the interbasket.net forums light up when the big tournaments come around. But let's keep the great Canadian content here.

https://www.interbasket.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?89-2019-FIBA-Basketball-World-Cup
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1868 » by young11a » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:28 pm

gundysmullet wrote:
super_balls wrote:
Double Helix wrote:I’m excited to see Boucher’s continued unconventional development curve.


I have a weird feeling he's going to be Canada's best player at the world cup.

I was thinking the same thing. His skill set is very conducive to being a dominant player in FIBA



Ya I think he will be great the game seems to come easy to hin
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1869 » by Jstock12 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:37 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Globalism doesnt suck, but I also disappointed every time player declines playing for his country. With great power comes great responsibility, fans makes this game, if there werent fans, you wouldnt make millions of dollars for playing a game, so you own something to them. They dont even play for free, they still get daily allowance that is more than some people still make in a month. Its only can be called playing for free because it looks that way relatively to their actual salaries in clubs, that are thousands times bigger than any of ours.


I agree with you. There's certainly a sense of entitlement, but at the end of the day it's their personal choice even if the fans don't respect it.

More on topic, how good do you think Bogut is at this point in his career? I know he's not much of a factor in the NBA, but he makes me uneasy and I think there's a possibility he could dominate this World Cup.
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Post#1870 » by frumble » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:46 pm

Slightly off topic relative to all the World Cup talk, but further to our discussion of the AmeriCup a couple weeks ago, I just realized that we didn't have a men's team at the PanAms because of our poor showing at the 2017 AmeriCup.

Not that it matters, but kind of funny given how much we hyped up men's basketball at the PanAms when it was in Toronto.


Re lack of participation at World Cup, I totally get that its the players' choice and they shouldn't be expected to volunteer their time and risk injury while others make money off it (although they certainly do that for NCAA). What I don't really get is the excuse of wanting to concentrate on preparing for the upcoming NBA season. Its not like they are being asked to spend six weeks doing something random. One would think that practicing and playing with and against some of the best basketball players in the world would be pretty good preparation for the upcoming season. Do they really get more prep out of their own August and early September workouts than they would by participating in training camp, the exhibition games, and the World Cup?
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1871 » by UcanUwill » Wed Aug 7, 2019 4:55 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Globalism doesnt suck, but I also disappointed every time player declines playing for his country. With great power comes great responsibility, fans makes this game, if there werent fans, you wouldnt make millions of dollars for playing a game, so you own something to them. They dont even play for free, they still get daily allowance that is more than some people still make in a month. Its only can be called playing for free because it looks that way relatively to their actual salaries in clubs, that are thousands times bigger than any of ours.


I agree with you. There's certainly a sense of entitlement, but at the end of the day it's their personal choice even if the fans don't respect it.

More on topic, how good do you think Bogut is at this point in his career? I know he's not much of a factor in the NBA, but he makes me uneasy and I think there's a possibility he could dominate this World Cup.


I agree that its a choose, I understand I sounded like i think they own something, they probably don't, you can decline, but I am still disappointed. I just like players who play for their country more, thats just me.

I think Bogut can be their most valuable player actually, speaking in context. They will play Lithuania in a group stage, and if they want to get out of this deadly group, they probably need to win that game. Key to beating Lithuania will be stopping Valanciunas and Sabonis, and Bogut is still very capable of that, he is their counter to Lithuanian stars. Bogut and Baynes is key of surviving this group of death.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1872 » by dozo » Wed Aug 7, 2019 5:08 pm

Jstock12 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Globalism doesnt suck, but I also disappointed every time player declines playing for his country. With great power comes great responsibility, fans makes this game, if there werent fans, you wouldnt make millions of dollars for playing a game, so you own something to them. They dont even play for free, they still get daily allowance that is more than some people still make in a month. Its only can be called playing for free because it looks that way relatively to their actual salaries in clubs, that are thousands times bigger than any of ours.


I agree with you. There's certainly a sense of entitlement, but at the end of the day it's their personal choice even if the fans don't respect it.

More on topic, how good do you think Bogut is at this point in his career? I know he's not much of a factor in the NBA, but he makes me uneasy and I think there's a possibility he could dominate this World Cup.


He will be serviceable big for the Australia. The slower tempo and the use of Zone defense benefits older players.

I don't see him dominating scoring wise. He will be more of a facilitator and setting picks on the offensive end.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1873 » by ItsDanger » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:06 pm

As I understand it, the top 7 teams qualify for Olympics (2 from Americas). I dont see us making that cut. The next 16 then play in a qualifying tournament for Olympics. Is that in 2020 sometime? Are we confident we make that?
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Post#1874 » by DaFroMan » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:08 pm

Would look like on paper Australia has the best team in our group just off of sheer NBA guys....How good is this Lithuania team?? If one of Sabonis or JV is neutralized does the rest of the Lithuanian team have enough?? I just don't know any of the other guys on there roster at all?
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Post#1875 » by mojo13 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:17 pm

ItsDanger wrote:As I understand it, the top 7 teams qualify for Olympics (2 from Americas). I dont see us making that cut. The next 16 then play in a qualifying tournament for Olympics. Is that in 2020 sometime? Are we confident we make that?



This is well hashed out on previous pages - only 1 or maybe two back. Olympic Qualifiers will be in late June / early July 2020 similar to 2016 when NBA participation will again be tough.
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1876 » by super_balls » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:17 pm

DaFroMan wrote:Would look like on paper Australia has the best team in our group just off of sheer NBA guys....How good is this Lithuania team?? If one of Sabonis or JV is neutralized does the rest of the Lithuanian team have enough?? I just don't know any of the other guys on there roster at all?


Both of those teams have been playing each summer together.
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Post#1877 » by mojo13 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:19 pm

DaFroMan wrote:Would look like on paper Australia has the best team in our group just off of sheer NBA guys....How good is this Lithuania team?? If one of Sabonis or JV is neutralized does the rest of the Lithuanian team have enough?? I just don't know any of the other guys on there roster at all?


Went through the Lithuanian roster on previous pages. Probably more than a few pages back now.
What do you guys think we do in here all year?


Start here and look for the Lithuanian fans reposnses to my attempt to look at their roster:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1731269&start=1580
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Post#1878 » by Jstock12 » Wed Aug 7, 2019 6:22 pm

DaFroMan wrote:Would look like on paper Australia has the best team in our group just off of sheer NBA guys....How good is this Lithuania team?? If one of Sabonis or JV is neutralized does the rest of the Lithuanian team have enough?? I just don't know any of the other guys on there roster at all?


There's a pretty huge drop-off in talent after Sabonis and JV. But the rest of the guys are fairly even and unselfish (7-8 Euroleague level guys). It sucks that the coach has a beef with Motiejunas and decided not to invite him to the national team, but what's done is done.
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Post#1879 » by DaFroMan » Wed Aug 7, 2019 7:52 pm

mojo13 wrote:
DaFroMan wrote:Would look like on paper Australia has the best team in our group just off of sheer NBA guys....How good is this Lithuania team?? If one of Sabonis or JV is neutralized does the rest of the Lithuanian team have enough?? I just don't know any of the other guys on there roster at all?


Went through the Lithuanian roster on previous pages. Probably more than a few pages back now.
What do you guys think we do in here all year?


Start here and look for the Lithuanian fans reposnses to my attempt to look at their roster:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1731269&start=1580


Mojo I respect and enjoy your posts (without you and some others this thread wouldnt keep going) but you seemed to be geussing on your Lithuania roster break down and UcanWill just gave a little knowledge on some of the players. Vibe I have gotten from the thread is they aren't as good as years past but its Lithuania they always find a way to do well in these things.

I think I was just looking for a definite answer if we can realistically beat these guys to advance to the next round assuming we can get a win vs senegal.

If we got out of this group alive I'd feel really good about being a top two team from the americas as PR, DR, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela all look to be fielding their worst rosters in quite some time...I think we can assume the U.S. is going to grab one of those spots
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Re: Team Canada Basketball Thread V2.0 

Post#1880 » by GordanFreeman » Wed Aug 7, 2019 8:08 pm

gundysmullet wrote:
Mattd97 wrote:
gundysmullet wrote:What you described is literally volunteerism. And you are right, they do have the right to choose not to volunteer. But whatever happened to the idea that it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country? Globalism sucks.


shut up about globalism and go volunteer at the legion, damn

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Bruh you've been making some chet posts lately.

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