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Post#1881 » by Clementine9 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:24 am

VinBaker6 wrote:
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VinBaker6 wrote:Wiggins is so damn passive...

Overrated.

is it safe to say already that Wiggins could still be a good player but not the next superstar he was envisioned to be? Towns already looks like the better chance to be something.


I never saw superstardom and I remember getting hate for it. Too passive, weak jumper, doesn't move off the ball well, doesn't create good shots for himself, weak handle, surprisingly weak defensively. He has a nice postgame and drives aggressively from time to time. Other than that, meh.

I don't care for the Canadian thing at all.


He's a 20 year old averaging 21 points a game with a TS% of 52.6 and with a USG% of 28... How the hell is that passive? He's had two big baskets here down the stretch. Defensively he holds his opponents at around their shooting percentages so he's not weak at all (-.03 Diff%)... His peak is like 4-5 years away. He's actually pretty impressive.
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Post#1882 » by yodamaster » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:27 am

VinBaker6 wrote:
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VinBaker6 wrote:Wiggins is so damn passive...

Overrated.

is it safe to say already that Wiggins could still be a good player but not the next superstar he was envisioned to be? Towns already looks like the better chance to be something.


I never saw superstardom and I remember getting hate for it. Too passive, weak jumper, doesn't move off the ball well, doesn't create good shots for himself, weak handle, surprisingly weak defensively. He has a nice postgame and drives aggressively from time to time. Other than that, meh.

I don't care for the Canadian thing at all.


tanking for a chance at the #1 pick to land wiggins would have meant trading away then lower value Demar for likely 1st and change and shipping Lowry for knicks 1st and tim hardaway jr...

almost a blessing in disguise that the knicks deal fell through... since wiggins so far doesn't look like a potential generational talent that he was touted as, while lowry turned into an elite top 10 player in the league and even demar can make a case for top 30 player.
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Post#1883 » by Scott Hall » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:27 am

I've never been a Wiggins fan either he was terrible for Team Canada this past summer
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Post#1884 » by VinBaker6 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:32 am

Clementine9 wrote:
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Bankai wrote:is it safe to say already that Wiggins could still be a good player but not the next superstar he was envisioned to be? Towns already looks like the better chance to be something.


I never saw superstardom and I remember getting hate for it. Too passive, weak jumper, doesn't move off the ball well, doesn't create good shots for himself, weak handle, surprisingly weak defensively. He has a nice postgame and drives aggressively from time to time. Other than that, meh.

I don't care for the Canadian thing at all.


He's a 20 year old averaging 21 points a game with a TS% of 52.6 and with a USG% of 28... How the hell is that passive? He's had two big baskets here down the stretch. Defensively he holds his opponents at around their shooting percentages so he's not weak at all (-.03 Diff%)... His peak is like 4-5 years away. He's actually pretty impressive.


He floats in and out of games too much... he has large stretches where he's content staying in the corner (mind you not doing anything off the ball). I'm honestly not impressed, most of his defensive numbers are poor and he's one of the worst players in the NBA when it comes to RPM (I think). That's what I'm most disappointed in... Dude allows so many easy blow bys.

I think he'll be solid, but superstardom is a little much. He has a looooooong way to go. Still very young but I see 3-time all star rather than generational talent.
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Post#1885 » by kidr1211 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:32 am

wiggins is 20 years old yikes @ the hate
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Post#1886 » by Hero » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:32 am

VinBaker6 wrote:Wiggins is so meh... especially defensively. Disappointing. He's lucky they got KAT to overshadow his poor performace


KAT is so good. All that hype about Wiggins being the next LeBron but KAT already looks to be the best player on that team.
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Post#1887 » by Scott Hall » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:33 am

Hero wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:Wiggins is so meh... especially defensively. Disappointing. He's lucky they got KAT to overshadow his poor performace


KAT is so good. All that hype about Wiggins being the next LeBron but KAT already looks to be the best player on that team.


Yup KAT is a beast Wolves should build around him
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Post#1888 » by VinBaker6 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:33 am

Hero wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:Wiggins is so meh... especially defensively. Disappointing. He's lucky they got KAT to overshadow his poor performace


KAT is so good. All that hype about Wiggins being the next LeBron but KAT already looks to be the best player on that team.


KAT is waaaay better. Now that's a guy who can potentially be a generational talent. He's super impressive. Like I said, Wiggins is lucky he has KAT.
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Post#1889 » by raptorstime » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:49 am

wiggin and towns might be a force down the line, just gotta get rid of rubio and find a championship caliber coach (sorry sam mitch)
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Post#1890 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:02 am

LMAOO. Ripping a 20 year old apart? Seriously? Most of you hated on Demar till he was 26, and now call him a superstar. But apparently a 20 year old that's averaging 20+ppg can't be a superstar? :crazy:
Wiggins was having an all star year until recently (i.e. the past month and half). I've watched most Wolves games, and I'm not gonna lie, his defense is in a slump, and he's starting to become passive. But give it some time, he'll be a superstar one day. You'll see...
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Post#1891 » by Clementine9 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:04 am

VinBaker6 wrote:
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VinBaker6 wrote:
I never saw superstardom and I remember getting hate for it. Too passive, weak jumper, doesn't move off the ball well, doesn't create good shots for himself, weak handle, surprisingly weak defensively. He has a nice postgame and drives aggressively from time to time. Other than that, meh.

I don't care for the Canadian thing at all.


He's a 20 year old averaging 21 points a game with a TS% of 52.6 and with a USG% of 28... How the hell is that passive? He's had two big baskets here down the stretch. Defensively he holds his opponents at around their shooting percentages so he's not weak at all (-.03 Diff%)... His peak is like 4-5 years away. He's actually pretty impressive.


He floats in and out of games too much... he has large stretches where he's content staying in the corner (mind you not doing anything off the ball). I'm honestly not impressed, most of his defensive numbers are poor and he's one of the worst players in the NBA when it comes to RPM (I think). That's what I'm most disappointed in... Dude allows so many easy blow bys.

I think he'll be solid, but superstardom is a little much. He has a looooooong way to go. Still very young but I see 3-time all star rather than generational talent.


When a guy has a USG% of 28 and you think he floats too much, you're probably suffering from a little confirmation bias. It's just a narrative since he came into the league. He completes more than 28% of his team's possessions when he's on the floor. That's not floating. That's pretty amazing for a 20 year old. Not only that, but he's on a young team that's focused on development. It's not just a Wiggins show, they have to run plays through other guys.

If he's allowing blow bys so much, why do his defensive stats look fine? I mentioned his Diff% stats, he only allows .81PPP on the ball handler in PnRs (27.9% Freq), .55PPP on Roll Man (2.1% Freq), .68PPP in Isolation (10% Freq), .56PPP in Post-Ups (7.7% Freq), .96PPP in Spot Ups (30.8% Freq). He's shaping up to be an excellent man defender it would seem. If RPM is taken seriously, then I think you have to factor in the team effect. I legitimately can't see much wrong with his defensive game based on the stats I'm looking at.

Offensively he's a poor 3pt shooter, but similar to Demar he helps his efficiency by getting to the line. Not sure his handle is too much of an issue if he's managing a 52TS% with a 28USG%. His turnover rate doesn't seem too bad. He's managing to get something done on that end. He's still a child. I don't even think puberty has finished for him yet. His body still needs work. Him and KAT are going to beast this league in a few years. I'm predicting a comfortable superstar status for both of them, in that they'll dominate for their team and lead them to wins and competitiveness.

Anyways, that's my Wiggins love for the night. I think he's actually pretty impressive, even with some holes.
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Post#1892 » by VinBaker6 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:06 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:LMAOO. Ripping a 20 year old apart? Seriously? Most of you hated on Demar till he was 26, and now call him a superstar. But apparently a 20 year old that's averaging 20+ppg can't be a superstar? :crazy:
Wiggins was having an all star year until recently (i.e. the past month and half). I've watched most Wolves games, and I'm not gonna lie, his defense is in a slump, and he's starting to become passive. But give it some time, he'll be a superstar one day. You'll see...


Bro its not hate. Just observation. I think he's a good player. I really like his postgame (should use it more). I just don't see the skill with him. I don't care for his PPG, I wanna see what he does on the court. He's not difficult to stop.

All I'm saying is that I don't see him being a generational talent like people were saying.
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Post#1893 » by Bankai » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:06 am

raptorstime wrote:wiggin and towns might be a force down the line, just gotta get rid of rubio and find a championship caliber coach (sorry sam mitch)

I think having Sam Mitchell right now is the right idea for development, obviously within a year or two when they look like they might take that next step, get a Coach with higher credentials. Sam is only the Interim after all. Maybe Scott Brooks or David Blatt would really help them next season.
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Post#1894 » by VinBaker6 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:09 am

@ Clementine you know what bro, maybe I need to watch more Wolves games. I watch them here and there so maybe I should watch more before talking.
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Post#1895 » by TheRealDeal » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:10 am

I'm pretty sure Drake's been to more Warriors/Kings games this year than the team with a Drake alternate.
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Post#1896 » by Bankai » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:12 am

TheRealDeal wrote:I'm pretty sure Drake's been to more Warriors/Kings games this year than the team with a Drake alternate.

Im guessing he has a place in North/Central California for the Winter. :x
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Post#1897 » by Clementine9 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:12 am

VinBaker6 wrote:@ Clementine you know what bro, maybe I need to watch more Wolves games. I watch them here and there so maybe I should watch more before talking.


I was surprised looking at some of the stats, 3bh. His poor shooting will be too much of a glaring hole if it's not fixed but I have to give him credit for what he's doing at this age. I'll also agree that he may not be the type of generational talent KAT may turn out to be. KAT seems like a big who's perfectly suited to the new NBA. Wiggins needs to learn to shoot the three ball if he wants to be a part of that. I think he's solid, though.

EDIT: And I no longer have Ballstreams so no more Wolves games for me :(
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Post#1898 » by VinBaker6 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:17 am

Clementine9 wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:@ Clementine you know what bro, maybe I need to watch more Wolves games. I watch them here and there so maybe I should watch more before talking.


I was surprised looking at some of the stats, 3bh. His poor shooting will be too much of a glaring hole if it's not fixed but I have to give him credit for what he's doing at this age. I'll also agree that he may not be the type of generational talent KAT may turn out to be. KAT seems like a big who's perfectly suited to the new NBA. Wiggins needs to learn to shoot the three ball if he wants to be a part of that. I think he's solid, though.

EDIT: And I no longer have Ballstreams so no more Wolves games for me :(


3bh :lol:

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Post#1899 » by Clementine9 » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:19 am

VinBaker6 wrote:
Clementine9 wrote:
VinBaker6 wrote:@ Clementine you know what bro, maybe I need to watch more Wolves games. I watch them here and there so maybe I should watch more before talking.


I was surprised looking at some of the stats, 3bh. His poor shooting will be too much of a glaring hole if it's not fixed but I have to give him credit for what he's doing at this age. I'll also agree that he may not be the type of generational talent KAT may turn out to be. KAT seems like a big who's perfectly suited to the new NBA. Wiggins needs to learn to shoot the three ball if he wants to be a part of that. I think he's solid, though.

EDIT: And I no longer have Ballstreams so no more Wolves games for me :(


3bh :lol:

Big shout UD :P


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Post#1900 » by raptorstime » Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:23 am

6more minutes until the biggest spectacle in sports history, and i got a 9:00 am class :cry:

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