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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#21 » by disoblige » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:18 pm

30 teams. 5 starters


5 x 30 = 150


Noah and Varejo at +150th is defensively seems wrong. Seeing Noah can defend Bosh very well, and remembered Noah blocking one of his last second shot.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#22 » by Courtside » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:19 pm

Can we do Bosh and Amir next?
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#23 » by LeGoo » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:19 pm

His ranking is pretty much where I would put him in the Eastern as far as defense is concerned. Obviously he has some problems, but like you pointed out he has excellent post up defense. This shows in the games where he played against Duncan this year and other post up players.

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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#24 » by MJ23DREAMER » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:20 pm

Great stats SS!

Really, it's shows where he is at man to man. Middle pack but improving. AS the coaching and management noted, his off ball weak D needs improving.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#25 » by kl06ty » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:22 pm

Thanks for the stats SS

Who knew Hibbert was worse off than Bargnani and Jermaine O'Neal at 62..gah..maybe we can sign him for a cheap contract :lol:
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#26 » by Indeed » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:26 pm

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Indeed wrote:Meh, another Bargnani one.
I am more interested in Weems, and wonder if he can be a lock down in the future.


Yeah how about some positivity? Is Weems any good. Did DeMar get better or worse over the course of the season? Was Antoine Wright any good, since I was hoping DeMar could take his place on D?


In time. I'm going to be writing some material over the summer, so it'll give me some ammo for the other players. Just wanted to get Bargs out of the way, since that's the first player I checked out after I signed on.


That would be awesome, thanks SS.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#27 » by Hendrix » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Thanks sub, I'll be looking forward to your posts from Synergy's site this summer.


Just a question though. The PPP, anjd fg% seem odd to me. The understanding I have is that points per possesion would mean that over 100 possesion Bargs's man would get 92 points/100. So a DRTG of 92. Also if someone told me that a big man was holding opposing big men to .427fg% I would think that was great, not one of the worst in the league. What am I missing here?
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Post#28 » by Lionel Messi » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:30 pm

This sounds awesome. I'd be inclined to pay up and get it as well. What's the cost?
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Post#29 » by supersub15 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:31 pm

Also, don't forget that the ranking don't take into account small sample sizes. For example, Michael Finley is ranked despite playing only around 300 minutes for Boston. So, that could skew the rankings...
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Post#30 » by supersub15 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:32 pm

Hendrix wrote:Thanks sub, I'll be looking forward to your posts from Synergy's site this summer.


Just a question though. The PPP, anjd fg% seem odd to me. The understanding I have is that points per possesion would mean that over 100 possesion Bargs's man would get 92 points/100. So a DRTG of 92. Also if someone told me that a big man was holding opposing big men to .427fg% I would think that was great, not one of the worst in the league. What am I missing here?


You're missing 3P% and FTM.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#31 » by Alfred » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:33 pm

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ATLTimekeeper wrote:Noah is overrated as a defender, and I'm glad there are some stats to back up this long-standing opinion of mine.

I didn't expect Bargnani would be high up, his man D is overrated here and his help D is brutal. People will praise him for the three stops he'll get on Duncan, but they'll forget that he then relents and gives up three scores. He doesn't have the tenacity to defend the post.


Actually, on pure post-ups, he's pretty good. His PPP is only 0.80, which ranks him 85th among all NBA players.


Actually, my friend has synergy sports too, and Bargnani's PPP is 1, which ranks him 81st in the league.

His Post-up PPP is .92, which is 51st in the league.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#32 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:34 pm

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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#33 » by tmoney34 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:35 pm

Okay so intead of making a new topic, I'll just post this thought here.

Yesterday on the FAN590, Jack said how Brandon Roy refused to come and workout here. Now I may be living under a rock because that's the first time I heard that :dontknow:

So really, did BC make that big of a mistake drafting Andrea? Roy didn't want to be here. LMA wouldn't have made any sense since we had Bosh and I don't think we'd be any better off with Tyrus Thomas right now.
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Andrea Bargnani: "Uhh remove hair? No, no, no. For what? No, no, no, never. I don't have alot of hair, no. I don't have like hair on the shoulders so I'm cool."

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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#34 » by Schad » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:35 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:What's interesting to me is how nicely the # of possessions increases right alongside points per possession. I mean, 18 attempts on Al Horford all year? Is that actually possible?

We probably underestimate NBA coaches just a little.


Heh, that's not the number of attempts, it's their overall ranking.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#35 » by Hendrix » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:35 pm

supersub15 wrote:
Hendrix wrote:Thanks sub, I'll be looking forward to your posts from Synergy's site this summer.


Just a question though. The PPP, anjd fg% seem odd to me. The understanding I have is that points per possesion would mean that over 100 possesion Bargs's man would get 92 points/100. So a DRTG of 92. Also if someone told me that a big man was holding opposing big men to .427fg% I would think that was great, not one of the worst in the league. What am I missing here?


You're missing 3P% and FTM.

Arn't 3ptr's and ft's wrapped up into points per possesion?
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#36 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:36 pm

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Fairview4Life wrote:What's interesting to me is how nicely the # of possessions increases right alongside points per possession. I mean, 18 attempts on Al Horford all year? Is that actually possible?

We probably underestimate NBA coaches just a little.


Heh, that's not the number of attempts, it's their overall ranking.


Thanks, I was just coming back to edit that. I think I should just change my signature to read "PS: I am (Please Use More Appropriate Word)".
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#37 » by Schad » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:36 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:Thanks, I was just coming back to edit that. I think I should just change my signature to read "PS: I am (Please Use More Appropriate Word)".


I'm fairly sure that my signature has that effect already.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#38 » by supersub15 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:37 pm

Hendrix wrote:
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Hendrix wrote:Thanks sub, I'll be looking forward to your posts from Synergy's site this summer.


Just a question though. The PPP, anjd fg% seem odd to me. The understanding I have is that points per possesion would mean that over 100 possesion Bargs's man would get 92 points/100. So a DRTG of 92. Also if someone told me that a big man was holding opposing big men to .427fg% I would think that was great, not one of the worst in the league. What am I missing here?


You're missing 3P% and FTM.

Arn't 3ptr's and ft's wrapped up into points per possesion?


Ah, yes. Sorry, misunderstood what you asked.

To answer the initial question, it doesn't account for help defence.
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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#39 » by Strategist1 » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:38 pm

Bargnani fans are so adamant and so committed to their cause...that I started believing Bargnani was an average to decent man to man defender.
:P

Still, his help D is so brutal and his defensive rebounding is minimal..that i always thought his overall D was bad.

But this shows the TRUTH!

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Re: SoTD: Bargnani's defensive breakdown 

Post#40 » by disoblige » Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:41 pm

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Thanks, I was just coming back to edit that. I think I should just change my signature to read "PS: I am (Please Use More Appropriate Word)".



Same thing happened to me. I edited it out.

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