Raptors NBA Draft Thread: Jared Sullinger

[LittleOzzy]

So ozzy you had to steal the OP lol.

I simply merged with an already created thread.

[fredericklove]

So ozzy you had to steal the OP lol.

Everytime I go into one of these threads it makes me re-evaluate who to take with 8th. So hard to choose, this is for sure a deep draft.

Correct. I was so certain on one of Beals, Lamb and Barnes and off there we go. But now...most are on Lillard or ...PJ3...River..., whoever else yeah. Hard to choose, definitely.

[fredericklove]

I really like Sully but let's be serious Bargnani isn't going anywhere.

To bury his talent for 15-20mins is just wrong. I don't think he's KLove but I really think he could have a Milsap/Boozer effect in his prime. I wish we had a nice trade set up to ship out Bargnani for an upgrade on the wing or PG and I would be all over this BUT that's not happening so PJ3 and Lillard sadly remain my choice (pending Lamb not falling to us).

Yea I know, Bargs is here forever. I know its a wishful thinking that we should change the team dynamic and go toward the Val/Sully tough bruising the paint/rebounding duo, Val being the mobile guy settling picks/screens&roll for the wing & pg and being the rim protector, while Sully being the key guy on offense, anchoring the paint and providing leadership. It leaves more room for Demar to operate his offense while having a 3 point specialist SF (whoever that is) and a PG to operate everything..., I think this team would provide a new outlook on offense, and a positive change in terms of being a more traditional team rather than having player(s) who don't do what they're supposed to do. However, yeah, BC won't give up Bargs. That's pretty certain.

I see Sullinger as a less athletic Elton Brand. Watching Brand during the Philly-Chitown game really reminds me of watching Sullinger earlier this year. Don't see Sully being as strong as him, but he's got a big caboose to create space and get position. They have similar height and both play an under the rim style (again Brand being a bit more athletic).

I'm not saying Sully could be Brand in his prime, but I think he would be able to produce similar numbers to Brand in Philly consistently throughout his prime years:

15pts, 9rbs, 1+block, 50%fg

I can see Sully averaging numbers like that, his style of play along w/ intensity should warrant him alot of points in the paint though could be undersized but his post game is not fixated, he's already got a range which can help balance his post-moves...if he pans out, his prime numbers could be in the 20/10 production. Having both 20/10 and 12+/10 from Sully and Val would be a nice combo to have, of cos that is if they can pan out to be the players I hope them to be.

[Dr Positivity]

I really like Sully but let's be serious Bargnani isn't going anywhere.

To bury his talent for 15-20mins is just wrong. I don't think he's KLove but I really think he could have a Milsap/Boozer effect in his prime. I wish we had a nice trade set up to ship out Bargnani for an upgrade on the wing or PG and I would be all over this BUT that's not happening so PJ3 and Lillard sadly remain my choice (pending Lamb not falling to us).

I would expect 20-24mpg for Sullinger his first year. There should be about 61 non Bargnani minutes in the frontcourt each game. 20 for JVal, 20 for Sullinger, 20 for Amir, and trade Ed Davis.

[Raptorian]

At this point, with this team, I see no reason to pass over someone based on position. Sullinger looks to be more polished than most of the other guys who would be available at 8. He is definitely not as exciting as some of the more athletic power forwards out there, but he will likely be a solid NBA player.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I don't want any more bigs being drafted unless they are Anthony Davis (obviously) or Drummond with our pick. Sullinger is a bad pick for us. We have Jonas/Bargs/Amir/Ed all being penciled in as our 4/5 rotation next year. To me Sullinger isn't a guy I could justify drafting esp when Colangelo just drafted a PF and C in the last 2 years. I mean what does he expect to do play Sullinger or Bargs at the 3?

If he drafts Sullinger I hope he gets fired on live TV and somebody picks him off in the parking lot for what he's done to this team

[Rhettmatic]

^ Come on.

Sullinger is a polished big with a good motor who put up a 30.4 PER in his freshman year. He wouldn't be available at 8 in most drafts.

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing about our frontcourt glut. Ed Davis is far from a sure thing. Amir took a step back this year and still looks like a bench player to me. Bargs could be a very nice trade chip.

There's a good chance Sullinger is BPA at our draft slot and if that's the case, passing on him in favour of an inferior talent at a position of need would be pretty foolish for a team so devoid of talent.

[fredericklove]

At this point, with this team, I see no reason to pass over someone based on position. Sullinger looks to be more polished than most of the other guys who would be available at 8. He is definitely not as exciting as some of the more athletic power forwards out there, but he will likely be a solid NBA player.

Agree. He has that traditional power forward game I like, not sure if he's BPA but he's a low-risk player and I can't see him not putting out better production than a high-risk guy like PJ3.

[Mr Swagtastic]

^ Come on.

Sullinger is a polished big with a good motor who put up a 30.4 PER in his freshman year. He wouldn't be available at 8 in most drafts.

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing about our frontcourt glut. Ed Davis is far from a sure thing. Amir took a step back this year and still looks like a bench player to me. Bargs could be a very nice trade chip.

There's a good chance Sullinger is BPA at our draft slot and if that's the case, passing on him in favour of an inferior talent at a position of need would be pretty foolish for a team so devoid of talent.

Well do you really thing fans are going to keep showing up if all Colangelo is doing is drafting bigs year after year just to flip them when they don't work out for him? Bargs' job is safe for now everything I have read/heard/watched has suggested that Casey, Colangelo, Bargs, Jonas V and all the rest of the brass want to see how the 2 pair up together before moving them. I just am not a fan of Sullinger or Ohio State I can't stand that school at all so maybe that's why I wouldn't want Sullinger here to me he isn't a sure fire NBA thing where I would clear house at the 4 just to get him. If there is nobody there at #8 I move the pick + Calderon (hopefully) for a very good young PG like Lowry and see if that is enough.

[fredericklove]

^ Come on.

Sullinger is a polished big with a good motor who put up a 30.4 PER in his freshman year. He wouldn't be available at 8 in most drafts.

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing about our frontcourt glut. Ed Davis is far from a sure thing. Amir took a step back this year and still looks like a bench player to me. Bargs could be a very nice trade chip.

There's a good chance Sullinger is BPA at our draft slot and if that's the case, passing on him in favour of an inferior talent at a position of need would be pretty foolish for a team so devoid of talent.

I think it's the deep draft that pushes Sully down this year, if it was last year he'd likely be a consensus 3 (over Kanter). Yes, I believe Bargs can warrant us a good value in return. There's just so much question about the prospects in our range, like River who can't defend/pass/undersized, a PJ3 with questionable motor/tweener game, and Lillard who hasn't faced elite competition that makes us sold on his attributes.

A guy like Sully who's been that dominant force in freshman, and reason for his slightly decline was due to his sudden weight loss thus no longer able to brute in the paint due to lesser strength. But it helps him to be more mobile, and he has an improving range right now, so his game is more than just being in the paint. And I do think he's the best offensive big in this draft.

[fredericklove]

^ Come on.

Sullinger is a polished big with a good motor who put up a 30.4 PER in his freshman year. He wouldn't be available at 8 in most drafts.

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing about our frontcourt glut. Ed Davis is far from a sure thing. Amir took a step back this year and still looks like a bench player to me. Bargs could be a very nice trade chip.

There's a good chance Sullinger is BPA at our draft slot and if that's the case, passing on him in favour of an inferior talent at a position of need would be pretty foolish for a team so devoid of talent.

Well do you really thing fans are going to keep showing up if all Colangelo is doing is drafting bigs year after year just to flip them when they don't work out for him? Bargs' job is safe for now everything I have read/heard/watched has suggested that Casey, Colangelo, Bargs, Jonas V and all the rest of the brass want to see how the 2 pair up together before moving them. I just am not a fan of Sullinger or Ohio State I can't stand that school at all so maybe that's why I wouldn't want Sullinger here to me he isn't a sure fire NBA thing where I would clear house at the 4 just to get him. If there is nobody there at #8 I move the pick + Calderon (hopefully) for a very good young PG like Lowry and see if that is enough.

I think fans will be happy to finally see a power forward doing things he's supposed to do at an above average level, with good post game. But I do agree Bargs is still safe cos we can rely on him on offense, his duo with Val is a good one..., its just a matter of who we can get at our range that can help us tremendously...regardless of who we have on our roster.

I'm the opposite, I've been a Sully/OSU fan for the past two years, here you look at a guy like Sully who came in and became an instant factor after Turner left and been the go-to-guy in the last two years, his presence has changes the game in many occasion and you can argue that he didn't have a good game against Kansas, but he faced a legit 7 footer with good shot-blocking ability, that isn't a fair matchup especially when most PFs aren't 7 feet tall in college level. I'm not a fan for trading our pick because we can still find a talent at 8th and I trust BC on his drafting skills. About Lowry, I rather pay for dragic than giving up a young talent (pick).

[Landomar]

I don't think we have a big man glut. Bargnani, A.Johnson, and Davis shouldn't be blocking anybody. If we drafted Sullinger, the easiest move to create playing time would be to just trade Ed Davis (for the best draft pick we can get or a young wing player).

[Dr Positivity]

We have a big man glut like Lindsey Lohan has a movie offer glut because she's deciding between 3 direct to video offers and 1 porn

[BirdmanPresents]

I really was not a Sully fan but putting his abilities more and more into perspective is making me think twice. I agree that we do not have a glut in the front court but my concern lies with BC and Bargnani. How will he split minutes with Sully and Bargs going forward?? Maybe Sullinger improves and earns the starting spot, will BC still be reluctant to trade Bargnani?

I like this trade if we can move Bargs eventually. Still too many holes on the team to take a PF and not address any other areas (SF, PG, wing depth).

[fabste]

He's a dozen times better than Bargnani.

new firm, thank you

[Cobra Kai Dojo]

He's definitely a safe pick at 8, would fit nicely beside Val, but I feel most people wouldn't like the pick regardless, and with our current of situation at PF with Ed and Amir, I'd rather trade up with Bargs or Ed, and try and trade the other for another first rounder.

[DA_SCOUT]

Big time fan of Sullinger, I've always said he's one of the (if not the) most NBA ready player in this draft. Great post game, inside outside game is developing as well and has a great motor.

That being said, BC will not draft him because of our need for a PG/SF and the abundant amount of bigs we already have.

[Waylon Mercy]

Best comparison i've heard about him is David West

[redred9]

If Barnes is gone, I can't see GSW passing him up. Sullinger next to Bogut surrounded by shooters = a bunch of wins.

[Waylon Mercy]

If Barnes is gone, I can't see GSW passing him up. Sullinger next to Bogut surrounded by shooters = a bunch of wins.

What about David Lee?