[Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Just seeing some players here being mentioned, if we're trading our 1st this year to get these said players, we're better off drafting a player like LeVert, Bamba.

the problem with "drafting" players like Levert and Bamba is time. when will those players be able to contribute to the winning cause - or will they be stuck to the bench like Banton, Flynn, etc - if you want to win now and show results with the core of FVV and Siakam, there is limited time. FVV is in line to get a $30M contract which will also define if the timeline is aligned with rookies down the road. if the Raptors are a .500 club when FVV is ready for a big contract, are the Raptors running the right course with FVV?

trading 1sts for players like LeVert and Bamba is pushing up the timeline, hypothetically. We have Boucher, Dragic, Birch as well as trade salary equivalent going out. i don't have a problem with making a trade that keeps us around or under the tax threshold - which we will have probably surpass eventually when we start winning.

[will]

Don't get the obsession with Poeltl. He adds a win or two but doesn't move the needle whatsoever.

Remember when Gasol first arrived, he didn't score much but suddenly the three point shooting % of the team went way up. I think Poeltl with his passing might that have kind of positive chemistry effect on our offense.

edit - not as good as Gasol, but like that

If Turner wasn't hurt I'd rather have him though because of his 3 pt shooting.

Yakub's rebounding, shot blocking and passing will be a massive help to this squad.

[NotMyKawhi]

I'm trading Flynn at this point. his dad is a distraction. Considering his competition for back up PG is Banton and dragic who is gone?

And he still doesn't play? And he's multiple year in college guy too. Use him in a trade w others or get a couple future 2nd round picks before you just wavie him for nothing

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[LoveMyRaps]

Agreed. LeVert has to be our main target. Would be a perfect fit for this team. Just need him to stay healthy.

Was playing around with the trade machine and came up with this:



Mavericks are in no position to contend with their current roster. However this trade makes them a better team with Dragic + Watanabe coming in (both on expiring deals), and Bullock the only real rotational piece (not much of a player, he sucks) going out. The main reason the Mavs do this trade however is that this deal alone allows them to free up about 18mil in cap space. They can sign an impactful player over the summer to add to their solid core of Luka/Brunson/THJ/Porzingis. Then the Mavs can be a real playoff threat starting next season.
The Mavs also receive a 2nd round pick for parting ways with a couple decent prospects.

Pacers do this deal because they're getting a pretty nice haul for LeVert. A first round pick + two B level prospects. They also add Boucher and Bullock, both on team friendly deals, that they can flip elsewhere (to contenders) for picks (most likely second round picks).

Raptors part ways with two guys out of the rotation (Dragic and Yuta), Boucher (expiring) and a first round pick (lottery protected) and in return they get Caris LeVert (combo guard that can fits the bill perfectly - ball handler, great shooter, great playmaker) and also Burke who can be what we wanted Flynn to be this year.

Thoughts?

I love it

I don't.

Give up a first round pick and a player who is not even much better (if at all) than Boucher and has not played more than 47 games in a year since 2018.

Pass. I would rather have the cost controlled first rounder.

Tbh, I think if we gave Indy a second round pick instead of that first round pick, they'd still accept.

It's fine to say the trade proposal isn't a fair one, but come on man.... you seriously think Boucher is better than LeVert?? That's utter nonsense IMO.

[JB7]

I don't understand that fascination with players like LeVert or Hield.

With the way the Raptors current roster is constructed, they already have 5 core players covering the 4 positions outside of C. With those 5 (FVV, PS, OG, GTJ, & Barnes) averaging at least 36mins a game (which you would want for core players who are young), that only leaves 12mins a game for another player. Bringing in someone like LeVert or Hield who would expect mins and shots does not make a lot of sense, as they will just be taking those minutes and shots from one of the core 5 on the team that are better off getting them in terms of development. So unless the team is looking to move one of the core 5 (which at this point I don't think they are really considering), why bring in a vet that will negatively effect that young core 5. With those remaining 12mins they are better off trying to develop someone like Banton who fits in perfectly with what the team is trying to build (long defenders who can handle the ball and have a decent shot). Until Banton is ready, players like Boucher, Yuta or Svi can play those minutes.

The obvious weak spot on this team is C. Birch is a decent back-up option at 12-16mins a game (low cost) for now. Is Achiuwa the answer for the future. Athletically he is great. With his mobility and size he can cover a ton of ground. But can he develop his offensive game enough that he can justify the starting role and minutes, and will he develop quickly enough for this team's timeline.

That's why, if Poeltl is actually available, he makes the most logical sense in trying to work out a deal. Otherwise, they probably are just looking to see if they can turn Dragic into a pick or extra salary room.

[Indeed]

I don't understand that fascination with players like LeVert or Hield.

With the way the Raptors current roster is constructed, they already have 5 core players covering the 4 positions outside of C. With those 5 (FVV, PS, OG, GTJ, & Barnes) averaging at least 36mins a game (which you would want for core players who are young), that only leaves 12mins a game for another player. Bringing in someone like LeVert or Hield who would expect mins and shots does not make a lot of sense, as they will just be taking those minutes and shots from one of the core 5 on the team that are better off getting them in terms of development. So unless the team is looking to move one of the core 5 (which at this point I don't think they are really considering), why bring in a vet that will negatively effect that young core 5. With those remaining 12mins they are better off trying to develop someone like Banton who fits in perfectly with what the team is trying to build (long defenders who can handle the ball and have a decent shot). Until Banton is ready, players like Boucher, Yuta or Svi can play those minutes.

The obvious weak spot on this team is C. Birch is a decent back-up option at 12-16mins a game (low cost) for now. Is Achiuwa the answer for the future. Athletically he is great. With his mobility and size he can cover a ton of ground. But can he develop his offensive game enough that he can justify the starting role and minutes, and will he develop quickly enough for this team's timeline.

That's why, if Poeltl is actually available, he makes the most logical sense in trying to work out a deal. Otherwise, they probably are just looking to see if they can turn Dragic into a pick or extra salary room.

Yup, this is why the purpose is about trading minutes (playing time). I think people put too much focus on trading players, having 15 players with starter quality, but the reality is that only half of them play.

When looking at the bench minutes, we are also giving the minutes to Achiuwa, Boucher, Birch, Champagnie, where all these are C, PF or SF with length and rebounding ability, so trading a PG or SG seems to be less of our interest.

[bluerap23]

I don't understand that fascination with players like LeVert or Hield.

With the way the Raptors current roster is constructed, they already have 5 core players covering the 4 positions outside of C. With those 5 (FVV, PS, OG, GTJ, & Barnes) averaging at least 36mins a game (which you would want for core players who are young), that only leaves 12mins a game for another player. Bringing in someone like LeVert or Hield who would expect mins and shots does not make a lot of sense, as they will just be taking those minutes and shots from one of the core 5 on the team that are better off getting them in terms of development. So unless the team is looking to move one of the core 5 (which at this point I don't think they are really considering), why bring in a vet that will negatively effect that young core 5. With those remaining 12mins they are better off trying to develop someone like Banton who fits in perfectly with what the team is trying to build (long defenders who can handle the ball and have a decent shot). Until Banton is ready, players like Boucher, Yuta or Svi can play those minutes.

The obvious weak spot on this team is C. Birch is a decent back-up option at 12-16mins a game (low cost) for now. Is Achiuwa the answer for the future. Athletically he is great. With his mobility and size he can cover a ton of ground. But can he develop his offensive game enough that he can justify the starting role and minutes, and will he develop quickly enough for this team's timeline.

That's why, if Poeltl is actually available, he makes the most logical sense in trying to work out a deal. Otherwise, they probably are just looking to see if they can turn Dragic into a pick or extra salary room.

LeVert can get you 18pts and 5asst off the bench. This team needs a bench player like that. His Defence is below average, but he is far more capable than Dragic on that end. Also at 6'6" has good size so can be paired with Fred when needed.

[NotMyKawhi]

The celtics keep losing...

Greg Williams is someone I'd love to have on our team idk if we can get him but that's a great contract for a long time

[bluerap23]

I love it

I don't.

Give up a first round pick and a player who is not even much better (if at all) than Boucher and has not played more than 47 games in a year since 2018.

Pass. I would rather have the cost controlled first rounder.

Tbh, I think if we gave Indy a second round pick instead of that first round pick, they'd still accept.

It's fine to say the trade proposal isn't a fair one, but come on man.... you seriously think Boucher is better than LeVert?? That's utter nonsense IMO.

This is the version I have. Dallas may need to through in Green to Indiana as well.

[Madhouse]

I don't understand that fascination with players like LeVert or Hield.

With the way the Raptors current roster is constructed, they already have 5 core players covering the 4 positions outside of C. With those 5 (FVV, PS, OG, GTJ, & Barnes) averaging at least 36mins a game (which you would want for core players who are young), that only leaves 12mins a game for another player. Bringing in someone like LeVert or Hield who would expect mins and shots does not make a lot of sense, as they will just be taking those minutes and shots from one of the core 5 on the team that are better off getting them in terms of development. So unless the team is looking to move one of the core 5 (which at this point I don't think they are really considering), why bring in a vet that will negatively effect that young core 5. With those remaining 12mins they are better off trying to develop someone like Banton who fits in perfectly with what the team is trying to build (long defenders who can handle the ball and have a decent shot). Until Banton is ready, players like Boucher, Yuta or Svi can play those minutes.

The obvious weak spot on this team is C. Birch is a decent back-up option at 12-16mins a game (low cost) for now. Is Achiuwa the answer for the future. Athletically he is great. With his mobility and size he can cover a ton of ground. But can he develop his offensive game enough that he can justify the starting role and minutes, and will he develop quickly enough for this team's timeline.

That's why, if Poeltl is actually available, he makes the most logical sense in trying to work out a deal. Otherwise, they probably are just looking to see if they can turn Dragic into a pick or extra salary room.

LeVert can get you 18pts and 5asst off the bench. This team needs a bench player like that. His Defence is below average, but he is far more capable than Dragic on that end. Also at 6'6" has good size so can be paired with Fred when needed.

either you keep the starting 5 or get a C and move GTJ to the bench.

Either way this 7 player rotation is hardly sustainable and Birch is not reliable or all that good.

Just don't give up a first round pick.

[Madhouse]

I don't.

Give up a first round pick and a player who is not even much better (if at all) than Boucher and has not played more than 47 games in a year since 2018.

Pass. I would rather have the cost controlled first rounder.

Tbh, I think if we gave Indy a second round pick instead of that first round pick, they'd still accept.

It's fine to say the trade proposal isn't a fair one, but come on man.... you seriously think Boucher is better than LeVert?? That's utter nonsense IMO.

This is the version I have. Dallas may need to through in Green to Indiana as well.

This would be a great deal for the Raptors.

[YogurtProducer]

I love it

I don't.

Give up a first round pick and a player who is not even much better (if at all) than Boucher and has not played more than 47 games in a year since 2018.

Pass. I would rather have the cost controlled first rounder.

Tbh, I think if we gave Indy a second round pick instead of that first round pick, they'd still accept.

It's fine to say the trade proposal isn't a fair one, but come on man.... you seriously think Boucher is better than LeVert?? That's utter nonsense IMO.

Dude, LeVert is a guy who does nothing but shoot and he isn’t very efficient at it. He’s a below average 3 point shooter, below average playmaker, below average defender.

He also can’t stay on the floor due to health.

For all his faults, Boucher is twice the defender, and he also just fits our system way way better.

[Potential]

The entire NBA is wide open. We just need to find a way to acquire Beal and get some other key pieces.

FVV/Barnes
Beal/Redick
OG/Scottie
Siakam/Brissett
Turner/Asik

I think we can beat the bucks and then we'd have a matchup with the Nets who we'd easily beat if we could contain KD and Harden. Win the championship now and then get rid of Beal for young pieces and officially give the keys to Scottie

[agkagk]

Nm

[Mascot]

Svi for Juan Dixon incoming.

[LarSiN]

The entire NBA is wide open. We just need to find a way to acquire Beal and get some other key pieces.

FVV/Barnes
Beal/Redick
OG/Scottie
Siakam/Brissett
Turner/Asik

I think we can beat the bucks and then we'd have a matchup with the Nets who we'd easily beat if we could contain KD and Harden. Win the championship now and then get rid of Beal for young pieces and officially give the keys to Scottie

You can't mean Omer Asik ?? The guy who suffered a career ending injury 4 years ago ? And why is Scottie playing 2 positions on the bench at once (3 if you count the fact that Asik can't play) ?

[Jtoneller1]

The entire NBA is wide open. We just need to find a way to acquire Beal and get some other key pieces.

FVV/Barnes
Beal/Redick
OG/Scottie
Siakam/Brissett
Turner/Asik

I think we can beat the bucks and then we'd have a matchup with the Nets who we'd easily beat if we could contain KD and Harden. Win the championship now and then get rid of Beal for young pieces and officially give the keys to Scottie

You can't mean Omer Asik ?? The guy who suffered a career ending injury 4 years ago ? And why is Scottie playing 2 positions on the bench at once (3 if you count the fact that Asik can't play) ?

And Reddick is retired too lol

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[KL78192020]

The entire NBA is wide open. We just need to find a way to acquire Beal and get some other key pieces.

FVV/Barnes
Beal/Redick
OG/Scottie
Siakam/Brissett
Turner/Asik

I think we can beat the bucks and then we'd have a matchup with the Nets who we'd easily beat if we could contain KD and Harden. Win the championship now and then get rid of Beal for young pieces and officially give the keys to Scottie

You can't mean Omer Asik ?? The guy who suffered a career ending injury 4 years ago ? And why is Scottie playing 2 positions on the bench at once (3 if you count the fact that Asik can't play) ?

And Reddick is retired too lol

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And not to mention hows he getting Beal and Turner without giving up anything useful. Guy must be dreaming lol.

[redeye514]

listening to Beal talk soo highly about the Raps the past few games we played them (Scotty, Nurse, Fred, style of play, team in general) has me wondering whether we are quietly talking to Washington about him. I mean I’m sure Masai is in some capacity… but how seriously?

I’m not saying I’m an advocate for this deal, but something along the lines of below may be appealing to Washington:

Beal FOR 2 FRPs + GTJ + Flynn + Dragic-to-3rd-Team Pieces (ie 2nd rounder and a young piece)

Washington gets 2-3 young players under multi year control, one of which in GTJ shows potential like he may be pretty damn good.. and a bunch of picks.

Beal isn’t THAT old, but is he THAT much better than GTJ currently is for this core? Gotta consider Beals contract too + likely renewal price long term. You only get Beal to try and play with him for 3+ years…