OT: Panic Buying. When Will it End?

[Raps in 4]

Ok, fair enough my Contagion comp was harsh. I read your earlier posts, and maybe you are motivated to help and not just jumping at a business opportunity. I just believe the epidemiologists I've listened to who say surgical masks aren't helpful in preventing spread.

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

[niQ]

Ok, fair enough my Contagion comp was harsh. I read your earlier posts, and maybe you are motivated to help and not just jumping at a business opportunity. I just believe the epidemiologists I've listened to who say surgical masks aren't helpful in preventing spread.

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

I literally posted something like this on the GB. Someone made a comment about Japan and mask-wearing from this tweet

Read on Twitter

It might have legs though. Apparently everyone in Hong Kong also wears mask.

Now, you've probably heard some people say, "It doesn't protect you from the virus, it just prevents you from spreading it. So there's no point in wearing it if you feel just fine."
But that is exactly it. As we've already seen with celebrities (Idris Elba) and NBA players (Gobert, Mitchell), you can "feel just fine" even if you've contracted the virus. Which means you can be a carrier.
If everyone proactively wears a mask, it could help prevent transmission from asymptomatic carriers.

BUT, that will probably not happen anytime soon in the USA (or even Canada for that matter) where it's "discouraged to the point of becoming socially unacceptable."

https://time.com/5799964/coronavirus-face-mask-asia-us/

Cheryl Man is usually the only one wearing a face mask on her New York City subway train. She notices this, but other people on the train notice, too. Usually she just gets odd stares from other commuters. But on Tuesday morning, when she was walking to school, a group of teens jeered at her and coughed in her direction.

And here recently in Toronto

https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/fl12p1/asian_canadian_woman_wearing_face_mask_kicked_out/

[jrask]

Ok, fair enough my Contagion comp was harsh. I read your earlier posts, and maybe you are motivated to help and not just jumping at a business opportunity. I just believe the epidemiologists I've listened to who say surgical masks aren't helpful in preventing spread.

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

[The Warrior]

Ok, fair enough my Contagion comp was harsh. I read your earlier posts, and maybe you are motivated to help and not just jumping at a business opportunity. I just believe the epidemiologists I've listened to who say surgical masks aren't helpful in preventing spread.

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

But it wasn’t our government and media. This is based on WHO.


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[The Duke]

The most important part of wearing a face mask is that it changes your behavior and possibly encourages others to put on their mask instead of leaving it in the car or in their purse.

Ppl have it, but they are scared of social norms.

Now that I'm working from home, my mask & gloves will be worn at the grocery.

[CantStopTheRock]

Ok, fair enough my Contagion comp was harsh. I read your earlier posts, and maybe you are motivated to help and not just jumping at a business opportunity. I just believe the epidemiologists I've listened to who say surgical masks aren't helpful in preventing spread.

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

They do not want people wearing masks here because there is a shortage for people providing health care. It is much more effective for the person who is sick to wear one than the other way around. The problem is people do not show symptoms and feel fine in some cases, but we also cannot have everyone stock piling masks and removing them from health care workers.

I saw some guy at a grocery store who had one on. It was loose fitting, he was constantly adjusting it, and touched his face several times. What is the mask going to prevent in that case? Nothing, so why when I see so many people using them improperly should the general public have them while health care workers are struggling to find supply.

My wife works at a hospital and they are all under lock and key because morons were stealing them. Health care workers need to be at work and if they are sick, they need to return to work with only 24 hours of being symptom free. They are dealing with PATIENTS all day that are already compromised, that is why they wear a mask. Patients get one to help protect the health care worker and the health care worker uses them to prevent them spreading to other patients.

If there was a massive supply that everyone could have a mask, sure they would be telling everyone to wear a mask. But everyone buying one and taking it from people who actually need them is a terrible use of resources. And in the case of the general public, from what I saw, I agree the mask is not going to do a whole lot. Most people will still be doing things that render the mask useless.

[Raps in 4]

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

They do not want people wearing masks here because there is a shortage for people providing health care. It is much more effective for the person who is sick to wear one than the other way around. The problem is people do not show symptoms and feel fine in some cases, but we also cannot have everyone stock piling masks and removing them from health care workers.

I saw some guy at a grocery store who had one on. It was loose fitting, he was constantly adjusting it, and touched his face several times. What is the mask going to prevent in that case? Nothing, so why when I see so many people using them improperly should the general public have them while health care workers are struggling to find supply.

My wife works at a hospital and they are all under lock and key because morons were stealing them. Health care workers need to be at work and if they are sick, they need to return to work with only 24 hours of being symptom free. They are dealing with PATIENTS all day that are already compromised, that is why they wear a mask. Patients get one to help protect the health care worker and the health care worker uses them to prevent them spreading to other patients.

If there was a massive supply that everyone could have a mask, sure they would be telling everyone to wear a mask. But everyone buying one and taking it from people who actually need them is a terrible use of resources. And in the case of the general public, from what I saw, I agree the mask is not going to do a whole lot. Most people will still be doing things that render the mask useless.

It would be nice if they told people the truth rather than lying to them. You create a vicious cycle with these lies. Mask wearing is stigmatized so public demand is never created, thus supply remains low, which affects healthcare professionals during emergencies. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a stock of millions of masks right now, and the production capacity to make more on a whim? We don't because for decades we've been telling people that masks don't work.

[Raps in 4]

All the medical experts in China, Korea, and Japan say masks are very helpful. What makes our experts more right than theirs?

Even here, doctors and nurses always wear masks when dealing with potentially infectious patients. Potentially infectious patients must also put a mask on as soon as they enter an ER. Why is that if they don't work? I'm not talking N95 masks either, just the cheap surgical ones. Why force doctors and patients to be uncomfortable in these masks if they don't do anything?

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

But it wasn’t our government and media. This is based on WHO.


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Our health authority officially recommends against wearing masks. Same for the CDC and every country in Europe. The WHO is just saying that in solidarity with us so millions of people don't panic at the lack supply.

I still remember the first coronavirus press conference our government held, and one of the first things they recommended was that people shouldn't wear masks.

[jrask]

The argument that “people shouldn’t wear masks because they don’t know how to use them properly” is asinine

As if operating a mask is so beyond the general public....how insulting. You could teach a toddler to use a mask properly

SO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO WEAR THEM PROPERLY! Just like they do everything else (example:how to wash your hands). How many articles have we read about how to properly wash our hands?

[CantStopTheRock]

Of course masks work. It was so irresponsible of our media and government to push the “mask don’t work” narrative

In fact there was a recent NYT article that kind of talks about this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html

They do not want people wearing masks here because there is a shortage for people providing health care. It is much more effective for the person who is sick to wear one than the other way around. The problem is people do not show symptoms and feel fine in some cases, but we also cannot have everyone stock piling masks and removing them from health care workers.

I saw some guy at a grocery store who had one on. It was loose fitting, he was constantly adjusting it, and touched his face several times. What is the mask going to prevent in that case? Nothing, so why when I see so many people using them improperly should the general public have them while health care workers are struggling to find supply.

My wife works at a hospital and they are all under lock and key because morons were stealing them. Health care workers need to be at work and if they are sick, they need to return to work with only 24 hours of being symptom free. They are dealing with PATIENTS all day that are already compromised, that is why they wear a mask. Patients get one to help protect the health care worker and the health care worker uses them to prevent them spreading to other patients.

If there was a massive supply that everyone could have a mask, sure they would be telling everyone to wear a mask. But everyone buying one and taking it from people who actually need them is a terrible use of resources. And in the case of the general public, from what I saw, I agree the mask is not going to do a whole lot. Most people will still be doing things that render the mask useless.

It would be nice if they told people the truth rather than lying to them. You create a vicious cycle with these lies. Mask wearing is stigmatized so public demand is never created, thus supply remains low, which affects healthcare professionals during emergencies.

Is it a lie though? I have yet to see someone who made use of the mask they had. Some people are doing more harm by wearing one because they keep touching their face. For the general public, I agree most people would not use it correctly so it is not helping them.

[Raps in 4]

They do not want people wearing masks here because there is a shortage for people providing health care. It is much more effective for the person who is sick to wear one than the other way around. The problem is people do not show symptoms and feel fine in some cases, but we also cannot have everyone stock piling masks and removing them from health care workers.

I saw some guy at a grocery store who had one on. It was loose fitting, he was constantly adjusting it, and touched his face several times. What is the mask going to prevent in that case? Nothing, so why when I see so many people using them improperly should the general public have them while health care workers are struggling to find supply.

My wife works at a hospital and they are all under lock and key because morons were stealing them. Health care workers need to be at work and if they are sick, they need to return to work with only 24 hours of being symptom free. They are dealing with PATIENTS all day that are already compromised, that is why they wear a mask. Patients get one to help protect the health care worker and the health care worker uses them to prevent them spreading to other patients.

If there was a massive supply that everyone could have a mask, sure they would be telling everyone to wear a mask. But everyone buying one and taking it from people who actually need them is a terrible use of resources. And in the case of the general public, from what I saw, I agree the mask is not going to do a whole lot. Most people will still be doing things that render the mask useless.

It would be nice if they told people the truth rather than lying to them. You create a vicious cycle with these lies. Mask wearing is stigmatized so public demand is never created, thus supply remains low, which affects healthcare professionals during emergencies.

Is it a lie though? I have yet to see someone who made use of the mask they had. Some people are doing more harm by wearing one because they keep touching their face. For the general public, I agree most people would not use it correctly so it is not helping them.

Nobody is instructed on how to wear the masks because we're told that wearing them in any capacity is useless. If you teach people how to wear them properly, they will wear them properly.

And there are certainly plenty of people who already do know how to wear a mask properly. This notion that everyone is too dumb to wear a piece of cloth over their face is absurd. You don't need a medical degree to know not to touch your face with a mask on.

[CantStopTheRock]

The argument that “people shouldn’t wear masks because they don’t know how to use them properly” is asinine

As if operating a mask is so beyond the general public....how insulting. You could teach a toddler to use a mask properly

SO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO WEAR THEM PROPERLY! Just like they do everything else (example:how to wash your hands). How many articles have we read about how to properly wash our hands?

Really?

People do not even know how to wash their hands and need to be reminded. They need to be reminded to not sneeze into their hands. They need to be reminded to not touch their face. They need to be reminded to not use their hands to open doors. They need to be reminded to not go out to bars/restaurants/crowded places (now closed).

The general public is not smart.

We have masks at my work. An employee asked about taking some home because he ran out and cannot find more. But what are his plans this weekend? To go back home and have a house party at his parents. This guy needs to be reminded to wash his hands before he eats. People are not doing things that are much more helpful to prevent spreading the virus

There are not enough masks to go around, the general public mass buying/stealing would only makes matters worse.

[jrask]

The argument that “people shouldn’t wear masks because they don’t know how to use them properly” is asinine

As if operating a mask is so beyond the general public....how insulting. You could teach a toddler to use a mask properly

SO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO WEAR THEM PROPERLY! Just like they do everything else (example:how to wash your hands). How many articles have we read about how to properly wash our hands?

Really?

People do not even know how to wash their hands and need to be reminded. They need to be reminded to not sneeze into their hands. They need to be reminded to not touch their face. They need to be reminded to not use their hands to open doors. They need to be reminded to not go out to bars/restaurants/crowded places (now closed).

The general public is not smart.

We have masks at my work. An employee asked about taking some home because he ran out and cannot find more. But what are his plans this weekend? To go back home and have a house party at his parents. This guy needs to be reminded to wash his hands before he eats. People are not doing things that are much more helpful to prevent spreading the virus

There are not enough masks to go around, the general public mass buying/stealing would only makes matters worse.

So let’s give up on everyone then. We shouldn’t recommend any safety procedures because the “public is dumb”

Great

[PD28]

Pretty sure it's mainly because they don't have enough masks for people who need it. But 1. Your mask needs to be N95 to be effective for COVID19. 2. It should have some sort of metal in it so you can bend it to the contours of your face. 3. People who aren't used to wearing it will touch their faces even more with a mask ...therefore rendering it pretty useless.

The argument that “people shouldn’t wear masks because they don’t know how to use them properly” is asinine

As if operating a mask is so beyond the general public....how insulting. You could teach a toddler to use a mask properly

SO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO WEAR THEM PROPERLY! Just like they do everything else (example:how to wash your hands). How many articles have we read about how to properly wash our hands?

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[CantStopTheRock]

It would be nice if they told people the truth rather than lying to them. You create a vicious cycle with these lies. Mask wearing is stigmatized so public demand is never created, thus supply remains low, which affects healthcare professionals during emergencies.

Is it a lie though? I have yet to see someone who made use of the mask they had. Some people are doing more harm by wearing one because they keep touching their face. For the general public, I agree most people would not use it correctly so it is not helping them.

Nobody is instructed on how to wear the masks because we're told that wearing them in any capacity is useless. If you teach people how to wear them properly, they will wear them properly.

And there are certainly plenty of people who already do know how to wear a mask properly. This notion that everyone is too dumb to wear a piece of cloth over their face is absurd. You don't need a medical degree to know not to touch your face with a mask on.

I am sure if there was an unlimited amount of masks they would be telling people to use them and how to use them to help. They never said in any capacity they are useless. They said as device to prevent a healthy person from getting it will not do much, and in some cases be worse (which i have seen with my own eyes) especially since there are not enough to go around.

The fact that they need to instruct people how to wash their hands (something people should have done 10000's of times before) just shows you how dumb most people are

[CantStopTheRock]

The argument that “people shouldn’t wear masks because they don’t know how to use them properly” is asinine

As if operating a mask is so beyond the general public....how insulting. You could teach a toddler to use a mask properly

SO TEACH PEOPLE HOW TO WEAR THEM PROPERLY! Just like they do everything else (example:how to wash your hands). How many articles have we read about how to properly wash our hands?

Really?

People do not even know how to wash their hands and need to be reminded. They need to be reminded to not sneeze into their hands. They need to be reminded to not touch their face. They need to be reminded to not use their hands to open doors. They need to be reminded to not go out to bars/restaurants/crowded places (now closed).

The general public is not smart.

We have masks at my work. An employee asked about taking some home because he ran out and cannot find more. But what are his plans this weekend? To go back home and have a house party at his parents. This guy needs to be reminded to wash his hands before he eats. People are not doing things that are much more helpful to prevent spreading the virus

There are not enough masks to go around, the general public mass buying/stealing would only makes matters worse.

So let’s give up on everyone then. We shouldn’t recommend any safety procedures because the “public is dumb”

Great

If it risks our doctors, nurses and patients? Yes the general public should make the sacrifices, especially when a lot of people are using the masks wrong and not doing several other things that would be much more beneficial for them than wearing a mask, while not hurting limited supplies that professionals need.

[Raps in 4]

Is it a lie though? I have yet to see someone who made use of the mask they had. Some people are doing more harm by wearing one because they keep touching their face. For the general public, I agree most people would not use it correctly so it is not helping them.

Nobody is instructed on how to wear the masks because we're told that wearing them in any capacity is useless. If you teach people how to wear them properly, they will wear them properly.

And there are certainly plenty of people who already do know how to wear a mask properly. This notion that everyone is too dumb to wear a piece of cloth over their face is absurd. You don't need a medical degree to know not to touch your face with a mask on.

I am sure if there was an unlimited amount of masks they would be telling people to use them and how to use them to help. They never said in any capacity they are useless. They said as device to prevent a healthy person from getting it will not do much, and in some cases be worse (which i have seen with my own eyes) especially since there are not enough to go around.

The fact that they need to instruct people how to wash their hands (something people should have done 10000's of times before) just shows you how dumb most people are

Our medical supply is low every outbreak because we tell the general public they don't need masks. You need demand for a product in order to entice producers to make more of it. We create a vicious cycle. Asian countries encourage people to wear masks every flu season, ensuring there is constant demand and that production capacity will be ready when a more serious outbreak hits.

[Lord_Zedd]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51955931?at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom3=%40BBCWorld&at_custom4=6E52E646-69E4-11EA-AFCB-60BFFCA12A29

Battle is far from over - South Korea, China, Singapore, Japan can't catch a break. This time their recent cases are imported.

[niQ]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51955931?at_custom2=twitter&at_campaign=64&at_medium=custom7&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom3=%40BBCWorld&at_custom4=6E52E646-69E4-11EA-AFCB-60BFFCA12A29

Battle is far from over - South Korea, China, Singapore, Japan can't catch a break. This time their recent cases are imported.

I know 2nd waves were expected but damnnnnnnnnnn.

[CantStopTheRock]

Nobody is instructed on how to wear the masks because we're told that wearing them in any capacity is useless. If you teach people how to wear them properly, they will wear them properly.

And there are certainly plenty of people who already do know how to wear a mask properly. This notion that everyone is too dumb to wear a piece of cloth over their face is absurd. You don't need a medical degree to know not to touch your face with a mask on.

I am sure if there was an unlimited amount of masks they would be telling people to use them and how to use them to help. They never said in any capacity they are useless. They said as device to prevent a healthy person from getting it will not do much, and in some cases be worse (which i have seen with my own eyes) especially since there are not enough to go around.

The fact that they need to instruct people how to wash their hands (something people should have done 10000's of times before) just shows you how dumb most people are

Our medical supply is low every outbreak because we tell the general public they don't need masks. You need demand for a product in order to entice producers to make more of it. We create a vicious cycle. Asian countries encourage infected people to wear masks every flu season, ensuring there is constant demand and that production capacity will be ready when a more serious outbreak hits.

People can do whatever they feel like outside of an outbreak and stock up on masks if they choose. China has more masks than anyone, has a Government that can enforce rules that we cannot here, yet were hit harder than anyone outside of Italy.

People in Asian countries wear masks more and more each year (not just because of the flu, air pollution). Yet in China they increasingly have higher rates of flu cases, around 50% more each year from 2015 to 2018 despite more and more people wearing them. If they are so effective, then why would they have a 50% increase 4 years in a row despite more and more people wearing masks?

Maybe because they are not as useful as people think, mainly when wearing them wrong or touching their face. They prevent larger droplets from getting through but fine droplets still get through and that is if it is fitted correctly. From people breathing with them on they get saturated with moisture and get uncomfortable so people tend to touch their face more which is just as if not more harmful.

This is why the CDC recommends not to wear them unless you are sick and need to step out. If you are not sick you should not wear them because you are more likely to touch your face causing more harm than good. If we had an abundance sure they would probably change there tune and educate people on using them

If this is to prevent people from getting it, where is everyone with goggles on? Can people not go out and buy goggles?