Jalen Harris Discussion

[B-Ball Freak]

What Presti has done is the envy of the league.

You're right, 7 straight years of making the playoffs, 5 straight 50+ wins, 2 ECF appearances, 1 NBA championship is pretty weak compared to what Presti has done in recent years.

The last two years there isn't a GM who has done a better job given his circumstances than Presti. Right now there isn't even a guarantee that Masai stays.

Presti was forced to have a firesale and accumulate assets when PG13 wanted to team up with Kawhi, it made no sense in keeping Westbrook when PG wanted to leave. It made perfect sense for OKC to rebuild, it really is two different situations. But I get it, Masai is a bad GM with a ton of mistakes and he should leave anyway, that would be a great day for you wouldn't it?

[B-Ball Freak]

What Presti has done is the envy of the league.

You're right, 7 straight years of making the playoffs, 5 straight 50+ wins, 2 ECF appearances, 1 NBA championship is pretty weak compared to what Presti has done in recent years.

Hey man, he did an incredible job of netting ONE good player for Schroeder, Westbrook, Paul, George and Adams. We are truly witnessing greatness here. Let's not forget about all those rings he won with KD, Westbrook and Harden. Oh wait...

But but...the war chest!

[Pooh_Jeter]

You're right, 7 straight years of making the playoffs, 5 straight 50+ wins, 2 ECF appearances, 1 NBA championship is pretty weak compared to what Presti has done in recent years.

The last two years there isn't a GM who has done a better job given his circumstances than Presti. Right now there isn't even a guarantee that Masai stays.

Presti was forced to have a firesale and accumulate assets when PG13 wanted to team up with Kawhi, it made no sense in keeping Westbrook when PG wanted to leave. It made perfect sense for OKC to rebuild, it really is two different situations. But I get it, Masai is a bad GM with a ton of mistakes and he should leave anyway, that would be a great day for you wouldn't it?

Why does Presti doing an excellent job mean I think Masai is terrible? It's unfortunate you have such a negative mindset.

[B-Ball Freak]

The last two years there isn't a GM who has done a better job given his circumstances than Presti. Right now there isn't even a guarantee that Masai stays.

Presti was forced to have a firesale and accumulate assets when PG13 wanted to team up with Kawhi, it made no sense in keeping Westbrook when PG wanted to leave. It made perfect sense for OKC to rebuild, it really is two different situations. But I get it, Masai is a bad GM with a ton of mistakes and he should leave anyway, that would be a great day for you wouldn't it?

Why does Presti doing an excellent job mean I think Masai is terrible? It's unfortunate you have such a negative mindset.

Ehhhh pretty weak, c'mon bud, your troll game used to be alot better than this.

[Los_29]

You're right, 7 straight years of making the playoffs, 5 straight 50+ wins, 2 ECF appearances, 1 NBA championship is pretty weak compared to what Presti has done in recent years.

Hey man, he did an incredible job of netting ONE good player for Schroeder, Westbrook, Paul, George and Adams. We are truly witnessing greatness here. Let's not forget about all those rings he won with KD, Westbrook and Harden. Oh wait...

But but...the war chest!

How could I forget about those late FRP's? And who better to be making those late first round selections than Sam Presti with his impeccable draft record picking in the 20's. Terrance Ferguson, Mitch McGrary, Darius Bazley, Josh Huestis, Perry Jones and Reggie Jackson. All guys Presti has drafted in the 20's.

[Steelo Green]

Conversely, Trent's sample size is more than adequate. 39.5 FG% with us. That's an average, the mean is way worse. The assessment can be taken back to Portland, if his numbers were bad here without starters, we can then say his #'s in Portland were better with Dame/CJ (career 41.5 FG% is bad for a SG, needs to be around 45%) . Bottom line: who is the better value? Trent at $15M per is going to limit us in other areas such as starting C which should be our priority. Its 50%+ likely that we draft a SG, at most Trent has 1 season before he is likely supplanted by this draft pick. Trent isn't a bad player but he's not worth the money when there are cheap alternatives available that can give you similar production. We should be able to see it. Keep in mind, Dallas needed to win last night to avoid play in. Those were quality minutes.

Trent is similar to guys like THJ, Seth Curry, Josh Richardson.

Those guys are just 3rd guards who hit the three and play D.

Good players as you said but to shell out that kind of money is bad asset management.

People downplaying GTjr despite him being 22, solid track record andwhat.. franchise record +/- a few weeks ago? Good stuff. 2 years vs 4 games.

Sign GTjr to a 12-15 mil deal. Worse case it's a trade chip in The future.

Almost as good as the clown talking about trading Pascal to get a top 5 pick this year

Solid track record?

Trent is shooting 39% as a Raptor with more usage. 35% from three.

He literally has no playmaking and isn’t a ball handler and can’t finish at the rim.

He won’t magically develop all aspects of his game. You could say any 22 year old is capable of anything with that type of logic.

I don’t know who you’re talking about with regard to franchise record or whatever. A lot of us have been saying the same thing about Trent. Streaky shooter who will be a good player but not a cornerstone. 2 years of what? His rookie year was atrocious and he was okay last year.

I didn’t even say anything about Harris, just this comment on Trent. He’s just a guy (Trent). Good player. Will have a long career but paying him 15 +mil (and yes it will be 15, he already said no to 13) is just a lot of money for a non starting player on a good team.

I would trade Pascal if it was a top 3 pick probably yeah. The same people who said they wouldn’t trade a top 3 pick last year for Fred now would never get Edwards or Ball for Fred so given Pascal’s ceiling, I probably would go after a potential superstar.

But sure - ad hominem as a way to to go. Good for you.

[Carter_Kobe]

You're right, 7 straight years of making the playoffs, 5 straight 50+ wins, 2 ECF appearances, 1 NBA championship is pretty weak compared to what Presti has done in recent years.

The last two years there isn't a GM who has done a better job given his circumstances than Presti. Right now there isn't even a guarantee that Masai stays.

Presti was forced to have a firesale and accumulate assets when PG13 wanted to team up with Kawhi, it made no sense in keeping Westbrook when PG wanted to leave. It made perfect sense for OKC to rebuild, it really is two different situations. But I get it, Masai is a bad GM with a ton of mistakes and he should leave anyway, that would be a great day for you wouldn't it?

Once upon a time 47 wins and a 2nd round exit was what we could refer to as the pinnacle of success...Yet here we are 2 years removed from a championship and a multitude of 50+ win seasons.

Raptors could've gone the way of the clippers, grizzlies, pacers, the harden rockets or even Presti's precious Thunder. We were fortunate enough to accomplish more than any of those teams in the passed decade.

We have some good young pieces in Trent, OG, and Flynn to go along with Siakam and Fred who are very good basketball players. We mined out guys like Harris in the 2nd round and an undrafted Gillespie who look like they will be contributing role players in the NBA. On top of that, we have what will be a top 10 lotto pick + 2 SRP's and cash to spend. That's a lot of value for an organization that is great at finding and developing talent.

Comparing this to Presti's war chest is really apples and oranges. He had to trade George and the Clippers were so willing to sell the farm as they were getting Kawhi and aiming for a a title run as a contender. Presti played the situation perfectly, but again, different circumstance.


I'd say overall we're in a good spot. Could it be better? I'm sure every team could say that about themselves. It just stiggs to not make the playoffs since we've become accustomed to being a top team in the League.

[SpiderMunn]

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[LoveMyRaps]

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[anotherhomer]

we just find our scoring off the bench in Jalen!!!

[YogurtProducer]

I think with his athletic profile and ability to get to the rim Harris is very interesting. When you compare him at 2nd round tender to GTJ making 16+ million it isn't even close. This is why Norm should have been traded for futures.

If you were the GM of the raptors I swear we’d have no players on our roster. Just lotto balls.

What Presti has done is the envy of the league.

Yeah, and he still has SGA, Dort, Poku, Horford, etc.

[YogurtProducer]

Trent is similar to guys like THJ, Seth Curry, Josh Richardson.

Those guys are just 3rd guards who hit the three and play D.

Good players as you said but to shell out that kind of money is bad asset management.

People downplaying GTjr despite him being 22, solid track record andwhat.. franchise record +/- a few weeks ago? Good stuff. 2 years vs 4 games.

Sign GTjr to a 12-15 mil deal. Worse case it's a trade chip in The future.

Almost as good as the clown talking about trading Pascal to get a top 5 pick this year

Solid track record?

Trent is shooting 39% as a Raptor with more usage. 35% from three.

He literally has no playmaking and isn’t a ball handler and can’t finish at the rim.

He won’t magically develop all aspects of his game. You could say any 22 year old is capable of anything with that type of logic.

I don’t know who you’re talking about with regard to franchise record or whatever. A lot of us have been saying the same thing about Trent. Streaky shooter who will be a good player but not a cornerstone. 2 years of what? His rookie year was atrocious and he was okay last year.

I didn’t even say anything about Harris, just this comment on Trent. He’s just a guy (Trent). Good player. Will have a long career but paying him 15 +mil (and yes it will be 15, he already said no to 13) is just a lot of money for a non starting player on a good team.

I would trade Pascal if it was a top 3 pick probably yeah. The same people who said they wouldn’t trade a top 3 pick last year for Fred now would never get Edwards or Ball for Fred so given Pascal’s ceiling, I probably would go after a potential superstar.

But sure - ad hominem as a way to to go. Good for you.

I guess if you focus on everything Trent has been meh at and ignore his good aspects then sure yes, he sucks. If you ignore the rest of his career pre-Toronto then yes, he sucks.

Just terrible analysis

[Los_29]

If you were the GM of the raptors I swear we’d have no players on our roster. Just lotto balls.

What Presti has done is the envy of the league.

Yeah, and he still has SGA, Dort, Poku, Horford, etc.

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

[YogurtProducer]

What Presti has done is the envy of the league.

Yeah, and he still has SGA, Dort, Poku, Horford, etc.

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

[TheBoi10]

Does he have a midrange game?

Gary Trent has some competition for starting 2 guard, our anemic offense needs him

[Los_29]

Yeah, and he still has SGA, Dort, Poku, Horford, etc.

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

What kind of value do they have?

They aren't good players right now. You need to stop overrating these guys. These guys are young and could develop into good players in the future but right now they aren't.

[Los_29]

Yeah, and he still has SGA, Dort, Poku, Horford, etc.

What do you mean? You aren't trying to tell us that Dort, Poku and Horford have value around the league are you? Because they don't.

SGA is the only good player in that group. Poku and Dort are young but they aren't good players right now.

You’re trying to tell me Poku and Dort DONT have value???!!! Come on man just keep proving you haven’t watched a non raptors game all year

Horford also proved in OKC he’s still a good player.

And Horford is making 30m a year until 2023.

And you're trying to tell me that he has value? What team would be crazy enough to trade for a 35 year old Horford who will make 60 million dollars over the next two years?

[Ell Curry]

He’s a Free Agent this summer ffs. He could literally sign with anybody.

He is a rfa
Plus sjnce he is 2way raps can qualify him with a 2 way contract so his cap hold will be negligible.

Yep, zero chance a team makes Harris any kind of competitive offer given a) the uncertainty around his game and b) his RFA status.

Why not? The Thunder have a ton of cap room. Why not offer Harris like 20M over 3 years if they think he's a genuine scorer.

[DreamTeam09]

Flynn
Harris
Trent Jr
Boucher
Birch

Is the new bench mob

FVV
Cade or Green
OG
Pascal
Mitchell/Holmes/Collins

Would probably be our best outcome summer wise

[Kevin Willis]

Jalen is a scorer. A very confident scorer so you can compare him with other scorers like Curry, Harden, Sweet Lou, etc. Not a pure shooter but he can shoot the three. If he can defend he can become a useful player.