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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2361 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:12 pm

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JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.


I think Diakite is interesting, but a 24 years old (in Jan), I am thinking maybe you can have a younger one or project as a starter. Diakite has below standing reach, maybe he can be a backup PF/C like Ibaka. As for 59, I am happier for a higher upside


I think he has just as much upside as anyone between 20-60.

His age counts against him if that bothers you, but you don't want to under value players because off bias and incorrectly perceived flaws. Like I said, none of these players are perfect, there is no such thing as a sure thing. VanVleet was too short, OG's knee was too risky, Siakam was too raw, Lowry was a coaching nightmare, etc. We have a team of underdogs who were overlooked by others who ended up being wrong.

Diakite plays rock solid defence and his jumper looks like there might be something there. I feel like his defence alone could earn him some minutes in his rookie season. I see him primarily guarding the PF, but I think the switchability on defence with him is whats enticing, and he can guard bigs away from the net.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2362 » by HeadtopChunes » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:23 pm

I’m not a big diakite guy

I just see him as a 6'9 5/4 who is prolly not an elite defender due to lack of strength or outstanding tools who is mostly a roller w/o short roll passing and maybe a okay c+s threat just have hard to see a path to playoff minutes here.
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Post#2363 » by Mark_83 » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:02 am

29) Bane/Flynn/Tillman/Reed/Woodard
59) Marshall/Diakite/Fitts/Joe/Tillie
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Post#2364 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:30 am

HeadtopChunes wrote:I’m not a big diakite guy

I just see him as a 6'9 5/4 who is prolly not an elite defender due to lack of strength or outstanding tools who is mostly a roller w/o short roll passing and maybe a okay c+s threat just have hard to see a path to playoff minutes here.


Did you watch the video I posted?
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2365 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:35 am

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HeadtopChunes wrote:I’m not a big diakite guy

I just see him as a 6'9 5/4 who is prolly not an elite defender due to lack of strength or outstanding tools who is mostly a roller w/o short roll passing and maybe a okay c+s threat just have hard to see a path to playoff minutes here.


Did you watch the video I posted?


No but I seen him play enough to form my own opinion. He’s a great college defender but he’s also older and I don’t see the physical tools or special awareness on that end for him to stick out too much in the nba.

Also look at how players like RHJ can’t get minutes in a matchup like this. If he’s RHJ with worse passing where’s the value?
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Post#2366 » by casual_raps_fan » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:15 am

OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?

I’m pretty sure most of us would be happy walking away with him. His potential as a shooter is just way too interesting to pass up. To add to that, he seems to have creativity with the ball that could be further developed. That sounds like a really high potential player especially for a 29th pick. At worst, he’s a good shooter which is always useful on any roster.

I would expect he would need at least a full season in the G league though. Physically, he doesn’t look ready for the nba.

Regarding Fred, the raptors decision on him will have nothing to do with the draft.
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Post#2367 » by casual_raps_fan » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:43 am

JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.

Out of the listed players, by a large margin, I like maledon the most. He’s such a well rounded prospect. He can hit threes. He can handle the ball and make plays. He shows skills to score. He has the measurements to have defensive versatility. I’d be blown away if such a nice prospect dropped to us.

After him, I’m thinking Dotson. Hes a pretty well rounded guard who looks ready to be able to step in to the nba as a ball handler immediately (high floor). His penetration will translate to the next level and his three looks like it can continue improving. He has a good motor and competes at a high level. I kind of see similarities with both Fred and Kyle in him and I’d be surprised if he didn’t carve out a rotation spot on our team..... honestly i think nurse would like him more than td and norm.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2368 » by OGLife » Sun Sep 6, 2020 6:45 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:
OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?

I’m pretty sure most of us would be happy walking away with him. His potential as a shooter is just way too interesting to pass up. To add to that, he seems to have creativity with the ball that could be further developed. That sounds like a really high potential player especially for a 29th pick. At worst, he’s a good shooter which is always useful on any roster.

I would expect he would need at least a full season in the G league though. Physically, he doesn’t look ready for the nba.

Regarding Fred, the raptors decision on him will have nothing to do with the draft.

He's almost averaging 2 steals a game. His defense isn't going to be terrible.

I like him if he's there
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Post#2369 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 6, 2020 2:43 pm

OGLife wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?

I’m pretty sure most of us would be happy walking away with him. His potential as a shooter is just way too interesting to pass up. To add to that, he seems to have creativity with the ball that could be further developed. That sounds like a really high potential player especially for a 29th pick. At worst, he’s a good shooter which is always useful on any roster.

I would expect he would need at least a full season in the G league though. Physically, he doesn’t look ready for the nba.

Regarding Fred, the raptors decision on him will have nothing to do with the draft.

He's almost averaging 2 steals a game. His defense isn't going to be terrible.

I like him if he's there


Ya, he's probably going to be a slightly below average defender like Steph Curry but not terrible like Trae Young.
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Re: Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released) 

Post#2370 » by Psubs » Sun Sep 6, 2020 3:03 pm

casual_raps_fan wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.

Out of the listed players, by a large margin, I like maledon the most. He’s such a well rounded prospect. He can hit threes. He can handle the ball and make plays. He shows skills to score. He has the measurements to have defensive versatility. I’d be blown away if such a nice prospect dropped to us.

After him, I’m thinking Dotson. Hes a pretty well rounded guard who looks ready to be able to step in to the nba as a ball handler immediately (high floor). His penetration will translate to the next level and his three looks like it can continue improving. He has a good motor and competes at a high level. I kind of see similarities with both Fred and Kyle in him and I’d be surprised if he didn’t carve out a rotation spot on our team..... honestly i think nurse would like him more than td and norm.


https://sircharlesincharge.com/2020/07/02/theo-maledon-scouting-report-risk/

Good FT% and 3 pt% (the last 2 seasons). Prior to this season he was regarded as a better prospect than Killian Hayes.

From this scouting report, I see him like George Hill. Good shooter and at least average at all other things.

Hill is older and plays less flashy but looking at his younger Pacer highlights, you can see the comparison.

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Post#2371 » by HeadtopChunes » Sun Sep 6, 2020 3:11 pm

Psubs wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.

Out of the listed players, by a large margin, I like maledon the most. He’s such a well rounded prospect. He can hit threes. He can handle the ball and make plays. He shows skills to score. He has the measurements to have defensive versatility. I’d be blown away if such a nice prospect dropped to us.

After him, I’m thinking Dotson. Hes a pretty well rounded guard who looks ready to be able to step in to the nba as a ball handler immediately (high floor). His penetration will translate to the next level and his three looks like it can continue improving. He has a good motor and competes at a high level. I kind of see similarities with both Fred and Kyle in him and I’d be surprised if he didn’t carve out a rotation spot on our team..... honestly i think nurse would like him more than td and norm.


https://sircharlesincharge.com/2020/07/02/theo-maledon-scouting-report-risk/

Good FT% and 3 pt% (the last 2 seasons). Prior to this season he was regarded as a better prospect than Killian Hayes.

From this scouting report, I see him like George Hill. Good shooter and at least average at all other things.

Hill is older and plays less flashy but looking at his younger Pacer highlights, you can see the comparison.



Think he can do more on-ball then Hill, something more in the Delon Wright/ SGA vein (probably a better shooter than both)
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Post#2372 » by JShuttlesworth » Sun Sep 6, 2020 3:40 pm

I know Masai was scouting Maledon back in January, so I assume there is some intrigue there. Some mocks have him going in the 20s.
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Post#2373 » by OGLife » Sun Sep 6, 2020 5:39 pm

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JShuttlesworth wrote:I know Masai was scouting Maledon back in January, so I assume there is some intrigue there. Some mocks have him going in the 20s.

He's my second favorite PG.

I'll take him also.
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Post#2374 » by nabbs » Sun Sep 6, 2020 6:46 pm

I am back on the Isaiah Stewart gravy train. Dude turns 20 next May and we lack the physicality and energy at the 5 position. He is a little undersized at 6'9 but he has a 7'4 wingspan. For comparison he has better measurements than Harrell who is 6'7. He put up way better stats than Harrell in college during their freshmen year. Here is the tape:





Reasons to pick him:

- Age, motor, physicals

- Shot almost 80% from the line at 5-6 FTA. He has shown shooting touch on the short roll and he has good touch around the rim in general. All signs you want to see to project shooting at the next level

- His rebounding is high level and that immediately translates

- Listening to him, he sounds very humble and mindful. Seems extremely coachable. Mentions how he wants to read the floor better to develop more as a passer. Improved as a shot blocker as the season went on



Defensively he shows flashes and the tools are there but Washington ran a ton of zone. He has to work on drop coverage PnR and then switching is a little off because he is a little heavy footed moving laterally. Having said that, his body, youth, coach-ability and motor makes me feel better about him reaching that potential.


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Post#2375 » by casual_raps_fan » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:16 am

OGLife wrote:
casual_raps_fan wrote:
OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?

I’m pretty sure most of us would be happy walking away with him. His potential as a shooter is just way too interesting to pass up. To add to that, he seems to have creativity with the ball that could be further developed. That sounds like a really high potential player especially for a 29th pick. At worst, he’s a good shooter which is always useful on any roster.

I would expect he would need at least a full season in the G league though. Physically, he doesn’t look ready for the nba.

Regarding Fred, the raptors decision on him will have nothing to do with the draft.

He's almost averaging 2 steals a game. His defense isn't going to be terrible.

I like him if he's there

I like him a lot too. He looks really talented. I'm just saying he looks super skinny (listed at 160 lbs) and is really young (19 years old) so it's probably a good idea to take advantage of our G-league team to give him time to adjust to the professionals while he works on his body and skills.
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Post#2376 » by BallstriKer » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:28 pm

I was all in on the Tillman bandwagon, but the more I think about this, the more I feel we should go for Theo Maledon. The latest mock draft from the Ringer has him falling to us and I think it makes perfect sense.

We also know Masai likes him. He'ssuper young and has good size for a point guard.

This also opens up our options with regards to this year's free agency. If we re-sign Fred, a bigger playmaking-orienter point guard prospect would be a perfect fit next to him. In fact, from a team building perspective, I'd say it's a requirement. If Fred walks, we'd have somebody we could groom to take over once Lowry retires, and we can keep Ibaka and we won't have to worry about drafting a big in the 1st round.

Draft Diakite and Osaghae at #59/undrafted to shore up the bench and I think we should be golden.
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Post#2377 » by Indeed » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:42 am

I guess the draft would be around mid-November?
https://www.nba.com/article/2020/09/09/nba-consider-nov-18-draft-date
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Post#2378 » by mademan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:36 pm

Im all in on Tyrell Terry. Trade up for him if we must. If the dude gets a little stronger, he's a star
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Post#2379 » by Psubs » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:54 am

mademan wrote:Im all in on Tyrell Terry. Trade up for him if we must. If the dude gets a little stronger, he's a star


He looks like the 6'2 PG version of Reggie Miller.
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Post#2380 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:34 am

Psubs wrote:
mademan wrote:Im all in on Tyrell Terry. Trade up for him if we must. If the dude gets a little stronger, he's a star


He looks like the 6'2 PG version of Reggie Miller.

In what way do you see Reggie Miller in him?

I know it's a cliche comparison but I am thinking more of a poor mans Steph Curry.

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