State of the Union. Team Canada Basketball. (FIBA Americas Aug.31-Sep.15)

almatic · Post #2681 » by **almatic** » Fri Sep 4, 2015 11:59 pm

mojo13 wrote:
almatic wrote:...it still bogles my mind that Aaron Doornekamp is on this team when they could just have Kyle Wiltjer who can do anything Doornekamp does but better.

Wow... Up by 20, playing great and the whiners still looking for something to cry about. Doornekamp and Wiltjer couldn't be more different types of players.

Whiner? Jeez... can I not just express a pretty valid opinion? I've defended & said plenty of positive things.
And I guess by different you mean... WIltjer is actually a great NCAA player & was a HS All-American while Doornekamp played in the CIS.. Besides that you have SF's that like to shoot 3's but aren't very athletic.

TheFutureMM · Post #2682 » by **TheFutureMM** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:05 am

almatic wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:
almatic wrote:...it still bogles my mind that Aaron Doornekamp is on this team when they could just have Kyle Wiltjer who can do anything Doornekamp does but better.

except for you know play defence.

Doornekamp plays defence better than Wiltjer?
And how important is that defence?... This is the FIBA Americas. I doubt there's ever gonna be a situation where they're like "boy.. if only we had Doornekamp instead of Wiltjer for the defence".. when they can just put Wiggins or Ejim on instead.

Sorry I know it's not my argument but I kind of agree that Doornekamp probably plays better defense than Wiltjer. I don't know if you watched any Pan AMs or college ball last year (you probably did) but it's pretty clear that Wiltjer is a 4. Wiltjer has a really hard time covering the 4 (one of the reasons he likely won't get drafted) and he would get absolutely killed at the 3 which is what the staff sees Doornekamp as.

To be honest I'd be surprised if he made the Olympic / World Cup team over the next couple years as we're LOADED with bigs and he's clearly not a wing.

hsb · Post #2683 » by **hsb** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:06 am

Oh, this game is only about seeding.

vi3t · Post #2684 » by **vi3t** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:06 am

almatic wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:
almatic wrote:...it still bogles my mind that Aaron Doornekamp is on this team when they could just have Kyle Wiltjer who can do anything Doornekamp does but better.

except for you know play defence.

Doornekamp plays defence better than Wiltjer?
And how important is that defence?... This is the FIBA Americas. I doubt there's ever gonna be a situation where they're like "boy.. if only we had Doornekamp instead of Wiltjer for the defence".. when they can just put Wiggins or Ejim on instead.

Isn't Wiltjer in the same situation as Murray, has to report for school? and it's not like he would play much anyways like in the Pan Ams, Wiltjer has a place on this team in the future so it doesn't really matter that Doornekamp is on the team who is not even the same type of player and Doornekamp is borderline dirty, he fits right in international play

JPHolling · Post #2685 » by **JPHolling** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:15 am

whats all this Wiltjer talk?
I like him a lot... but the dude wont play in any meaningful tournaments for Canada ever. He's a poor mans KO except his 3 point shot is better. He's too stiff, and wont be a successful 3.
Canada is too stacked at the 4/5 position.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #2686 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:17 am

WHATS THE FREQUENCY, BENNETT?

Post #2687 » by **Calinks** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:17 am

Pitino getting exposed.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #2688 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:18 am

I laugh whenever Leo Rautins says "scrubb".

DarrylFlicking · Post #2689 » by **DarrylFlicking** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:19 am

We've got this. Big win!

Dr Positivity · Post #2690 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:20 am

Stauskas from the corner is straight cash

vi3t · Post #2691 » by **vi3t** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:22 am

36-9 run

TheFutureMM · Post #2692 » by **TheFutureMM** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:24 am

LMAO and Doornekamp makes me look like an idiot for defending him...

almatic · Post #2693 » by **almatic** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:26 am

TheFutureMM wrote:LMAO and Doornekamp makes me look like an idiot for defending him...

hahaha I'm just busting your balls man.. but see what I mean?
I'm watching with my Dad who's like 60 & he thought Doornekamp is the one that's Triano's nephew instead of Heslip since he unreasonably plays more than he should lol

almatic · Post #2694 » by **almatic** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:28 am

JPHolling wrote:whats all this Wiltjer talk?
I like him a lot... but the dude wont play in any meaningful tournaments for Canada ever. He's a poor mans KO except his 3 point shot is better. He's too stiff, and wont be a successful 3.
Canada is too stacked at the 4/5 position.

Kyle Wiltjer isn't even a 5 & is barely a 4. He's a 3/4 tweener... poor man's KO? Did you even see them play together at Gonzaga? I never saw KO score 39 in an NCAA game like Wilter. He's a little stiff but not anymore so than Doornekamp at this point.

Dr Positivity · Post #2695 » by **Dr Positivity** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:30 am

Nicholson will be in a fight to even make the 2016 cut

almatic · Post #2696 » by **almatic** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:36 am

TheFutureMM wrote:
almatic wrote:
Dr Comeback wrote:

except for you know play defence.

Doornekamp plays defence better than Wiltjer?
And how important is that defence?... This is the FIBA Americas. I doubt there's ever gonna be a situation where they're like "boy.. if only we had Doornekamp instead of Wiltjer for the defence".. when they can just put Wiggins or Ejim on instead.

Sorry I know it's not my argument but I kind of agree that Doornekamp probably plays better defense than Wiltjer. I don't know if you watched any Pan AMs or college ball last year (you probably did) but it's pretty clear that Wiltjer is a 4. Wiltjer has a really hard time covering the 4 (one of the reasons he likely won't get drafted) and he would get absolutely killed at the 3 which is what the staff sees Doornekamp as.

To be honest I'd be surprised if he made the Olympic / World Cup team over the next couple years as we're LOADED with bigs and he's clearly not a wing.

You make some valid points but I think the flaws you're pointing out really apply a lot more to WIltjer's NBA translation moreso than FIBA translation.
Gonzaga found a way for WIltjer to a great college player & NCAA is a bit more similar to FIBA basketball than NBA basketball to me.
Wiltjer's defensive problems covering the 3's & 4's aren't as glaring unless Canada is playing talented teams like USA, France or Spain.

SuperSant · Post #2697 » by **SuperSant** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:51 am

Nick and Brady are so cash money!

SuperSant · Post #2698 » by **SuperSant** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:52 am

This team has no defence tho! Like, how you gonna let Puerto Rico drop 90 on you in 40 minutes?

Clementine9 · Post #2699 » by **Clementine9** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:53 am

Fun to watch! I love the type of basketball this team plays!

TheFutureMM · Post #2700 » by **TheFutureMM** » Sat Sep 5, 2015 12:53 am

Dr Positivity wrote:Nicholson will be in a fight to even make the 2016 cut

Dude just looked really ugly out there today especially on the defensive end. I can recall two plays where he just looked slow footed and dejected from the game.

Does anyone know how he played Tuto? Is he tired? He did play quite a bit of ball at the Pan Ams...