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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#281 » by Yallbecrazy » Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:24 pm

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Yallbecrazy wrote:Taylor Hendricks checks all the boxes from a statistical perspective in that none of his stats are red flags. That being said, he's merely decent to good at everything and nothing is exceptional so to me he projects as an average NBA starter with upside. I absolutely take him in the top 8 in this draft, possibly top 5.


Same sort of review people were giving for Franz Wagner back in 2021


Wagner showed a huge jump from year 1 to year 2, especially in his passing. Franz also had more steals and faced a lot better competition.
Franz's stats shows higher bbiq, while Taylor's shows a little more athleticism. Franz had better length I think.
No doubt he has upside to develop further being so young which is why I take him in the top 8, especially because his floor is a rotational player and his midrange outcome is NBA starter which is a lot better than most lottery picks.

He would have to take a decent leap to become a Franz like prospect.
Also, a player who goes from decent to great between year 1 and 2 is a better prospect than one that goes from good to great which is why Franz was such a good prospect who was very undervalued.

I feel Taylor's likely ceiling is around top 40 or 50 player, but who knows he could hit his 99th percentile outcome instead of his 85th.
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Post#282 » by alpngso » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:13 pm

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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#283 » by PoundTown » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:18 pm

Watched franz extensively in college and thought he’d end up being a starting caliber player but in the glue guy form. Kind of like a more athletic joe ingles. He had IQ, skill and defended and played hard. The passing wasn’t new, he passed really well for a guy they ran actions for but didn’t really play on ball much.

John beilein might be the best scout in the NBA from day one if he was up to it. What an eye for talent that man had.
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Post#284 » by God Squad » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:32 pm

Get Cason Wallace AND Taylor Hendricks then laugh to the bank. Would be an amazing haul, while fitting our archetype mold.
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Post#285 » by Psubs » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:54 pm

God Squad wrote:Get Cason Wallace AND Taylor Hendricks then laugh to the bank. Would be an amazing haul, while fitting our archetype mold.


Ya, but how to get Cason when he should get drafted before pick #15? FVV sign and trade?

Trade Flynn, Otto (expiring) and Thaddeus (expiring) for ....

PG Barnes - Cason
SG Trent - OG - Otto
SF OG - Siakam - Hendricks
PF Siakam - Precious - Thaddeus
C Poeltl - Boucher/Koloko

Wow no one under 6'4!
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Post#286 » by God Squad » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:58 pm

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God Squad wrote:Get Cason Wallace AND Taylor Hendricks then laugh to the bank. Would be an amazing haul, while fitting our archetype mold.


Ya, but how to get Cason when he should get drafted before pick #15? FVV sign and trade?

PG Barnes - Cason
SG Trent - OG - Otto
SF OG - Siakam - Hendricks
PF Siakam - Precious - Thaddeus
C Poeltl - Boucher/Koloko

Wow no one under 6'4!

The idea of getting both Hendricks and Wallace stem from OG/FVV being available. I just think those two in particular already have an NBA skill that will translate being defense and 3pt shooting. They have

Stats
age
role
potential

They just seem like slam dunk picks while both being damn good two way players.
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Post#287 » by Psubs » Fri Feb 24, 2023 3:31 pm

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God Squad wrote:Get Cason Wallace AND Taylor Hendricks then laugh to the bank. Would be an amazing haul, while fitting our archetype mold.


Ya, but how to get Cason when he should get drafted before pick #15? FVV sign and trade?

PG Barnes - Cason
SG Trent - OG - Otto
SF OG - Siakam - Hendricks
PF Siakam - Precious - Thaddeus
C Poeltl - Boucher/Koloko

Wow no one under 6'4!

The idea of getting both Hendricks and Wallace stem from OG/FVV being available. I just think those two in particular already have an NBA skill that will translate being defense and 3pt shooting. They have

Stats
age
role
potential

They just seem like slam dunk picks while both being damn good two way players.


I'm hoping that Cason keeps shooting poorly, though his FT % keeps rising. He should be alright on the NBA level but it could lower his stock. Jrue Holiday was drafted #17. :nod:
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#288 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:18 pm

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Mark_83 wrote:Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

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Why would we draft Flip if we have Jacob and Koloko and Precious?
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#289 » by dozo » Fri Feb 24, 2023 4:48 pm

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TJD is having an amazing year, top 4 player in the nation. I still want Zach Edey to win POY. As a 7 footer he deserves a lot of credit for being is amazing shape.

Trayce Jackson-Davis is a bit of an enigma. Given his lack of shooting, his translation to the NBA should be clunky. Instead, it’s rather exciting. All Jackson-Davis has done every season is produce and improve. It would be great if he develops a jumper. Even if he doesn’t, though, he has the skills to be a lethal offensive option and one of the better centers from the 2023 NBA Draft class.
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Post#290 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:48 pm

Jackson Davis reminds me a lot of Carlos Boozer.

I challenge anyone to find another player with similar attributes and a similar statistical profile. The only difference is Jackson Davis is a big time rim protector.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#291 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Feb 24, 2023 6:13 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Given that we're likely to pick anywhere between 11-16 now I've had to readjust my targets for us.

Wallace
Black
Hendricks
Coulibaly

I’m thinking our range will be around 15-20 now that our team is vibing. I wouldn’t be mad at any of those guys, but I have to say my preference in that range is Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, and Kyle Filipowski. If Rupert has baseball mits for hands that could change.

Below 20 I’m all in on Taylor Hendricks, JHS, Sasser, and Coulibaly

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Why would we draft Flip if we have Jacob and Koloko and Precious?

I never said we would. I just ordered them by how much I like them as prospects. Although Filipowski brings a different skill set than any of our bigs.
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Post#292 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:26 pm

JHS i wasn't crazy about .. but if Raps keep winning, I think' he'd be on their radar 15-20. Watching more tape, he plays a responsible game and can run a team. With FVV possibly out the door, and Nurse not liking any of Flynn Banton, he would make some sense.
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Post#293 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:34 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:JHS i wasn't crazy about .. but if Raps keep winning, I think' he'd be on their radar 15-20. Watching more tape, he plays a responsible game and can run a team. With FVV possibly out the door, and Nurse not liking any of Flynn Banton, he would make some sense.




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Can JHS do that? :P
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Post#294 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:40 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:JHS i wasn't crazy about .. but if Raps keep winning, I think' he'd be on their radar 15-20. Watching more tape, he plays a responsible game and can run a team. With FVV possibly out the door, and Nurse not liking any of Flynn Banton, he would make some sense.




1:04 mark

Can JHS do that? :P


Do a step back 3? lol yes

Raps over the years seem like they just want a responsible lead guard with size. Run a team, hit shots and defend.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#295 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:59 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:JHS i wasn't crazy about .. but if Raps keep winning, I think' he'd be on their radar 15-20. Watching more tape, he plays a responsible game and can run a team. With FVV possibly out the door, and Nurse not liking any of Flynn Banton, he would make some sense.




1:04 mark

Can JHS do that? :P

It’s a quick move but nothing astounding. Arthur Kaluma had a better move earlier in the season and he’s a forward.
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Post#296 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:11 pm

Who cares about flashy plays
We aren't the charlotte hornets who draft based on that

Need players that know how to play and that can raise the upside of this team. Simple.
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Post#297 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Feb 24, 2023 8:41 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:JHS i wasn't crazy about .. but if Raps keep winning, I think' he'd be on their radar 15-20. Watching more tape, he plays a responsible game and can run a team. With FVV possibly out the door, and Nurse not liking any of Flynn Banton, he would make some sense.




1:04 mark

Can JHS do that? :P

It’s a quick move but nothing astounding. Arthur Kaluma had a better move earlier in the season and he’s a forward.


It doesnt need to be astounding, those moves tell you that he'll be able to create space at the NBA level to get his shot off in a variety of ways and he can bury those. It was a very sweet pump fake into an immediate fake drive, crossover dribble stepback dagger 3. Not many guards in this class can make that look so effortless and then be so darn good at finishing them. He wasn't doing it to be flashy just to get an open shot.
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Post#298 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Feb 24, 2023 9:03 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:


1:04 mark

Can JHS do that? :P

It’s a quick move but nothing astounding. Arthur Kaluma had a better move earlier in the season and he’s a forward.


It doesnt need to be astounding, those moves tell you that he'll be able to create space at the NBA level to get his shot off in a variety of ways and he can bury those. It was a very sweet pump fake into an immediate fake drive, crossover dribble stepback dagger 3. Not many guards in this class can make that look so effortless and then be so darn good at finishing them. He wasn't doing it to be flashy just to get an open shot.

I don’t think anyone was questioning his ability to create for himself. If a guard as small as him can’t create a shot for himself he’s pretty useless.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#299 » by Psubs » Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:03 pm

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BoyzNTheHood wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:


1:04 mark

Can JHS do that? :P

It’s a quick move but nothing astounding. Arthur Kaluma had a better move earlier in the season and he’s a forward.


It doesnt need to be astounding, those moves tell you that he'll be able to create space at the NBA level to get his shot off in a variety of ways and he can bury those. It was a very sweet pump fake into an immediate fake drive, crossover dribble stepback dagger 3. Not many guards in this class can make that look so effortless and then be so darn good at finishing them. He wasn't doing it to be flashy just to get an open shot.


What is he a slightly taller Fred VanVleet?

I'd rather draft Terquavion Smith who is 3 inches taller at 6'4 and hope that when he doesn't have to be the number 1 option his shot selection would be better. As a sophomore Smith has an A/T of 2 while it took Sasser until his senior year to get there.

I think the highest Sasser could go is to Miami at #21. Only other fit I see him going is to the Clippers at #29. Does San Antonio draft him at #32?
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#300 » by Psubs » Fri Feb 24, 2023 10:05 pm

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jackson Davis reminds me a lot of Carlos Boozer.

I challenge anyone to find another player with similar attributes and a similar statistical profile. The only difference is Jackson Davis is a big time rim protector.


He's a lot more quicker than Boozer, who is like Vucevic.
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