[Shams] - Raptors Now Taking Calls for OG

[Los_29]

Too steep on the Suns end. Love it for us though.

[Madvillainy2004]

this is just pathetic. I guess this guy doesn't think defense counts.

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he is very very very plugged into the Arizona sports scene. consider it a tempering of expectations by the suns organization.

Lmao wants off the Anunoby contract is definitely a way to frame this conversation.

[Los_29]

Ahh thanks for pointing that out, I guess it makes it a bit more comforting, but still a pretty underwhelming package imo. I can't see the Pelicans eager to toss many FRPs if any if with these prospects and a guy who fits OG's profile in Herb already.

Honestly i'd rather we just go embrace the tank and go:


With both the Lakers first rounders please

Lakers don't have any picks to trade.

They have their '27 and '29.

I mean its been in the news the entire offseason/season.

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

[MoneyBall]

Are we sure Johnson is worse than Anunoby? Guy shoots mid 40s from 3 from anywhere on the court.

That's the thing, some of these advanced stats are showing Cam to be a bigger net positive than OG. There shouldn't be that big of a drop off assuming we can get him clean shots.

Here's my thing. Are we sure he even needs clean shots? Like, what kind of shooter are we dealing with here because it seems like if you give Johnson the Nick Nurse 35 mpg and empty the clip recipe, is he a 20+ ppg guy?

Last I saw the Suns play they were one of the best passing teams in the league and they have great spacing too. I have to expect a decrease in offensive effeciency from Cam if he has to shoot in our poor offense.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Seriously, how is it not obvious. It’s more about the players you are playing behind then it is about usage. I don’t think many starters in this league would be happy running up and down the court watching Fred chuck. I dare say OG will be far happier in the 3&D role while playing behind someone like Booker.

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

[Bruin]

Lakers don't have any picks to trade.

They have their '27 and '29.

I mean its been in the news the entire offseason/season.

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

[sidsid]

No thanks from POR.

You are obviously curious about OG as you are in this thread. Realistically...I can't see a trade with OG to Portland unless Sharpe is going out. Hart's salary makes it work.

I do like OG. I think he’s a fine player.

As I said earlier it will take more than OG to fix POR, and if he wants to go somewhere where he will get more shots it won’t be there.

Also not trading Sharpe (who has a chance to be a star) for the Cadillac of roleplayers in OG.

If POR were a real contender I might make that trade, but making that trade with this iteration of the Blazers is a big mistake.

I get this in general for Portland. Though both assets being fairly young with a good chance that OG will remain the more valuable trade asset throughout his prime, I'd say they should do these types of increasing value asset churns if they show up.

The obvious ones to avoid are the 30 yo Gobert trades emptying the war chest.

Outside of just riding out Lillard's remaining years and then rebuilding, trades should be centered around remaining young and gaining value for a potential star that's better than Lillard being added for a short chip window if it pops up

[WuTang_CMB]

this is just pathetic. I guess this guy doesn't think defense counts.

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Gamby is clueless. Trying to spin his own narrative.

[alienchild]

this is just pathetic. I guess this guy doesn't think defense counts.

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he is very very very plugged into the Arizona sports scene. consider it a tempering of expectations by the suns organization.

Lmao wants off the Anunoby contract is definitely a way to frame this conversation.

This guy is a total ass-hat. PHX has Bridges and Johnson now. OG could be a Crowder replacement, but they have a much bigger replacement need going forward in Chris Paul. OG is a smokescreen for their actual interest in FVV, who they have been mentioned as an interested party when FVV opts out. Raptors have bird rights, and could trump what PHX might offer, so PHX would have interest in trading for him since they then have his bird rights.

[TRik]

Seriously, how is it not obvious. It’s more about the players you are playing behind then it is about usage. I don’t think many starters in this league would be happy running up and down the court watching Fred chuck. I dare say OG will be far happier in the 3&D role while playing behind someone like Booker.

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

Yes grass is often greener, but when your pecking order sucks it also breeds resentment. Given how OG was quoted years ago in Nurse’s book, I’m sure OG is just tired of feeling that resentment.

[Los_29]

They have their '27 and '29.

I mean its been in the news the entire offseason/season.

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

[mihaic]

If you're trading OG, then you might as well trade Siakam because you're giving up on the near term.

There's no way you'll get enough value to trade for a star without him, and you've also traded away an irreplaceable part of your playoff core.

The only trade that makes sense to move forward with Siakam's timeline is to move off of your low ceiling guards.

Easier said than done. Contenders would need to gut their teams...

Most big name players who command lots of salaries and picks are traded in the offseason, for this reason.

[Son Goku 25]

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This is the guy Suns ownership/GM feeds info into. Seems suns interest is real

Lmao a game of chess guess we'll see at the end cuz teams will say anything to get the upper hand in negotiations

[Madvillainy2004]

Seriously, how is it not obvious. It’s more about the players you are playing behind then it is about usage. I don’t think many starters in this league would be happy running up and down the court watching Fred chuck. I dare say OG will be far happier in the 3&D role while playing behind someone like Booker.

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

I just don't know what more OG can do in an efficient offense. He's an excellent defensive player that is athletic finisher in transition or off cuts. And is a solid but streaky shooter. No handle, no mid range game, no post game, no playmaking (more turnovers than assists).

On a championship team OG is a Tayshaun Prince/2010 Ron Artest. A vital role but not one that calls for many isos/mid range/post ups which I assume he means with his role. This isn't the first time OGs been unhappy either and his role was a part of it in Sept/Oct as well.

[douggood]

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

lakers gave up 8th pick in 2022 to pelicans
maybe another lotto pick this year, maybe another lotto pick next year.
have picked in the lotto top 4, four or five times past decade. enough with the lakers invisibility talk. (randle ball ingram deangleo russell) also the 4th pick they traded for davis (deandre hunter)

caris lavert with 1.5 years got (projected 24th pick this year to pacers) was a lotto protected pick becoming a 2nd.
derrick white with 3-4 years on contract got 24th pick and a swap.

[DoctaJ]

Lakers don't have any picks to trade.

They have their '27 and '29.

I mean its been in the news the entire offseason/season.

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

Do you actually know that? You literally said "Lakers don't have any picks to trade."

Maybe engage in the conversation in a meaningful way. You could have easily said what you said now, the first time. You know, if you "[knew] that."

[sidsid]

If you're trading OG, then you might as well trade Siakam because you're giving up on the near term.

There's no way you'll get enough value to trade for a star without him, and you've also traded away an irreplaceable part of your playoff core.

The only trade that makes sense to move forward with Siakam's timeline is to move off of your low ceiling guards.

Easier said than done. Contenders would need to gut their teams...

Most big name players who command lots of salaries and picks are traded in the offseason, for this reason.

For sure, you can wait on the Siakam trade in the offseason if you don't get your ask. The guards on the other hand are about as good as you're going to get value wise at deadline.

[Clay Davis]

Seriously, how is it not obvious. It’s more about the players you are playing behind then it is about usage. I don’t think many starters in this league would be happy running up and down the court watching Fred chuck. I dare say OG will be far happier in the 3&D role while playing behind someone like Booker.

Grass is always greener. I'm sure the Raptors have the most accurate read of the situation. Maybe he doesn't want to sit through a rebuild while his ticket comes up.

I just don't know what more OG can do in an efficient offense. He's an excellent defensive player that is athletic finisher in transition or off cuts. And is a solid but streaky shooter. No handle, no mid range game, no post game, no playmaking (more turnovers than assists).

On a championship team OG is a Tayshaun Prince/2010 Ron Artest. A vital role but not one that calls for many isos/mid range/post ups which I assume he means with his role. This isn't the first time OGs been unhappy either and his role was a part of it in Sept/Oct as well.

I believe this too. He’s a good, key contributor… but his impact is Miami Chris Bosh at best.


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[EH15]

this is just pathetic. I guess this guy doesn't think defense counts.

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he is very very very plugged into the Arizona sports scene. consider it a tempering of expectations by the suns organization.

He is not. Follow him through the KD saga and you'll know he's blowing hot air, at least on the NBA side of things.

Him and Flex are on the block list since then.

[Bruin]

Well I know that. But why on earth would we want their picks 5 years down the road? LOL.

That's an atrocious deal.

The incentive is in the fact that the Lakers will likely be a horrible team in those years.

There’s a reason why those picks are considered to be intriguing assets across the league. Teams know the Lakers are desperate for a win now move and would likely part with those picks for the right move

I'd imagine the Lakers will do whatever it takes to not be bad if they don't have any picks. They are in one of the most popular destinations in the league. They will also have a ton of time to rebuild their team once Lebron retires.

Are those picks actually intriguing? Caris Levert was able to get a FRP, Derrick White was able to get a FRP and a swap and yet Fred and GTJ can't get anything other then FRP's 5 and 7 years into the future? It's a terrible deal for us.

What are their options? Can’t trade any picks to acquire a star after Lebron. No other assets to trade. No picks to draft a star

The only option would be for a star free agent but that hasn’t worked for the Lakers or Knicks in years. And I highly doubt many stars are lining up to sign with the Lakers when they know that the Lakers don’t have the right assets to use in building a team around them. The Lakers are in a very tough position (right now and) in the post Lebron years.

Lebron probably retires around 2025ish and I have a hard time seeing the Lakers managing to construct a winning roster within 2-3 years