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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#341 » by isyed » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:41 pm

Indeed wrote:
isyed wrote:Posted this in the Houston Bosh thread:

Maritimer wrote:Not to spam multiple threads (I posted this in the S&T ideas), but here's my shot at a Houston trade:

Houston gets Bosh and Hedo
Portland gets Ariza
Toronto gets Battier, Przybilla, Jeffries, Hill, Knicks 2011 pick, future conditional pick from Houston

If we draft Paul George, this is our roster (asterisk = expiring contract.... $35.7M worth!!)

Jack / Calderon / Banks*
DD / Weems* / Belinelli*
Battier* / George / Jeffries*
Bargnani / Hill / Evans* / Dorsey*
Przybilla* / Johnson


Seems cool. I would try to extract a little bit more from Houston such as Lowry or their 14th pick this year as well. This year's draft will be deep. If the plan is to get younger than go even further. I would send Jose and the 14th pick from Houston for TJ and the 10th pick. Indiana wants to improve its image and they can salvage a solid PG in Jose out of this. We get an even higher pick and another expiring. Our expiring would be worth about $44M worth.

We pick up the most potential players with the 13th and 10th pick. You mentioned George but also get someone like Whiteside for the 5 spot. Use more cash to pick up another late first rounder, preferably diamond in the tough player. Resign Amir and then play it out till December 15th. I would also use the MLE on any remaining solid role players.

If there are teams willing to dump any good young players we go for that by trading cap space and young players. If not we use our cap space in 2011 to sign restricted free agents.

We need this time to develop young players, utilize cap opportunities like the MLE to pick up under the radar players at value deals. If Amir is signed at a nice 5 year 25 million deal and another MLE player then we can go into the 2011 off season with very little salary paid to value players

ie
Jack - 4 mill - Solid Backup PG
Amir - 5 mill - Solid Energy Backup 4 or 5
MLE - 5 mill - preferably a solid Backup 5
Geroge - 2 mill - Rookie contract at 3 spot
Whiteside - 2 mill - Rookie contract at 5 spot
Hill - 3 mill - Rookie contract at 4 spot
Derozan - 3 mill - Rookie contract at 2 spot
Whoever we get with a later 1st round pick - 1 mill

About $25 mill spent on young players. This would leave about $25 mill to spend after spending about 3 or 4 mill on resigning Weems as well. I have kept Bargs out of this assuming we unload his contract for an expiring as well.

You have about 9 spots filled for under $30 mill. Add in a couple second rounders this year to up that to 11. Add a top 5 pick in 2011 and that brings the salary to $30 mill. We have about $25 mill to spend. Who knows how the CBA might be. You get a smaller max starting contract which would mean at about 12 mill that can allow us to max out 2 players. Some restricted free agents at that time would be

Oden
Harford
Noah
Young
Green

Anyone of these players could be had at the max if we throw it at them. Or if any unsigned players from 2006 such as Rudy Gay ( if he takes the qualifying offer) are available you sign him as well.


I don't think Jose + #13 pick can get us anything.
And I don't think Triano wants more than 2 rookies, and one of them is more NBA ready (eg. Aldrich)

I think trade up is a good idea, and perhaps LAC don't need to pick that high for a wing/guard.
If Aldrich is there, I think Belinelli + #13 + $1m cash or #13 pick + $3m cash for #8 pick.


Sounds good. I would still try to unload Jose for an expiring if possible and pick up young players. If Triano is staying then you save on coaching money and try to get assistant coaches and development guys to work on your rookies. I think the idea is to develop them as soon as possible. Add another top 5 pick next year and New Yorks pick in 2012, we should be good to go. In the mean time Derozan, Weems, Amir and Beli get more minutes.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#342 » by bboyskinnylegs » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:59 pm

If we were in a position to trade up, I'd much rather go with a guy with a lot more upside than Aldrich (who I like, but doesn't look like more than a serviceable centre like Pryzbilla to me). We won't be able to trade into a top 4 pick, so Wall, Turner, Favors and Cousins are off the table, so I'd go with one of the remaining high upside guys in Monroe, Aminu, or Davis.
As for Triano not wanting more rookies, he should be told to shut up and stick to his job, he should have absolutely no say with regards to personnel after the way he coached this year. I really hope he isn't in the room with BC on draft night.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#343 » by Indeed » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:01 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:If we were in a position to trade up, I'd much rather go with a guy with a lot more upside than Aldrich (who I like, but doesn't look like more than a serviceable centre like Pryzbilla to me). We won't be able to trade into a top 4 pick, so Wall, Turner, Favors and Cousins are off the table, so I'd go with one of the remaining high upside guys in Monroe, Aminu, or Davis.
As for Triano not wanting more rookies, he should be told to shut up and stick to his job, he should have absolutely no say with regards to personnel after the way he coached this year. I really hope he isn't in the room with BC on draft night.


I disagree with the Triano part. I don't think we have the pieces that he needs, and he did an average job.
Look at NY, they got a coach with good strategy, but without his type of players, he can't do much with it.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#344 » by Hassassin » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:03 pm

Indeed wrote:Tor:
Okafor
- get a worst contract, but a serviceable big

NO:
TPE
- get under the cap and dumped a large salary in long term

NY:
Calderon, NO 2nd pick
- get a PG and a 2nd pick


Do you think the Knicks will really waste their cap room on Jose Calderon?
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#345 » by ash_k » Sat May 1, 2010 12:25 am

kush- wrote:Toss out the Bynum idea, I don't think it's happening. Bynum is the better defender, and their team already has enough problems sharing the ball (Pau want "Ball").

Let's start hearing some realistic trade scenarios with Houston.

I see it going down like:
Jordan Hill, Chase Budinger, Kyle Lowry, Jarred Jeffries, Knicks' pick, + Houston 1st rounder

but of course typical raps fans will cry foul and expect an Aaron Brooks/Luis Scola + Jordan Hill + 2 1st rounders kinda deal...

Projected Houston Lineup for 2010:
Aaron Brooks
Shane Battier
Trevor Ariza
Chris Bosh
Yao Ming

scary...

The most realistic I have seen so far.
I even think those 2 picks are a bit much, so let's remove one pick.
This would be a full-rebuild move
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#346 » by Indeed » Sat May 1, 2010 4:34 am

HA! wrote:
Indeed wrote:Tor:
Okafor
- get a worst contract, but a serviceable big

NO:
TPE
- get under the cap and dumped a large salary in long term

NY:
Calderon, NO 2nd pick
- get a PG and a 2nd pick


Do you think the Knicks will really waste their cap room on Jose Calderon?


Yea, I was thinking that too, might have to wait until NY feels its a desperation move.
NO should give them a 1st pick or collison, I suppose.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#347 » by ash_k » Sat May 1, 2010 6:42 pm

Salary relief for Golden State:

Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks go to Golden State
for
Andris Biedrins and Anthony Randolph

Golden State saves 29 million dollars over the next 4 years.
Biedrins doesnt seem to fit there anymore and Randolph's agent talked about potential trade prior to Randolph's ankle injury.

For the Raps, it gives us a piece with tons of potential(all-star potential) in Randolph and give us a center-rebounder next to Bargnani in case CB4 leaves.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#348 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sat May 1, 2010 7:17 pm

ash_k wrote:Salary relief for Golden State:

Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks go to Golden State
for
Andris Biedrins and Anthony Randolph

Golden State saves 29 million dollars over the next 4 years.
Biedrins doesnt seem to fit there anymore and Randolph's agent talked about potential trade prior to Randolph's ankle injury.

For the Raps, it gives us a piece with tons of potential(all-star potential) in Randolph and give us a center-rebounder next to Bargnani in case CB4 leaves.

It's not even likely that Golden State would give up Biedrins alone for expirings, let alone Randolph as well.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#349 » by ash_k » Sat May 1, 2010 7:42 pm

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
ash_k wrote:Salary relief for Golden State:

Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks go to Golden State
for
Andris Biedrins and Anthony Randolph

Golden State saves 29 million dollars over the next 4 years.
Biedrins doesnt seem to fit there anymore and Randolph's agent talked about potential trade prior to Randolph's ankle injury.

For the Raps, it gives us a piece with tons of potential(all-star potential) in Randolph and give us a center-rebounder next to Bargnani in case CB4 leaves.

It's not even likely that Golden State would give up Biedrins alone for expirings, let alone Randolph as well.

29 million reasons, in this economy.
Even if we are "officially" out of the recession.
those 2 missed a lot of games for G-State, so it would be a risk (as those 2 are showing signs of potentially being prone to injuries: lowering their values)
then you add up what I said in the original post and you can see how a trade like that could workout for both parties
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#350 » by FireColangelo » Sun May 2, 2010 1:29 am

Is Jose Calderon for TJ Ford a possbility?
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#351 » by bboyskinnylegs » Sun May 2, 2010 1:42 am

FireColangelo wrote:Is Jose Calderon for TJ Ford a possbility?

Not likely, the Pacers aren't in the best financial situation
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#352 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Sun May 2, 2010 4:48 pm

With bynums latest injury maybe we can push Jose on them

Calderon
Bosh

for

Bynum
Sasha
Farmar (s&t 2.5 million)

they solve all positions. Gasol and Calderon are friends. Bosh has less injury concern than bynum.

I do this deal before though

Jack
Evans
#13

for

Collison
Posey
Wright

Wright former 13th pick. Still young, athletic wing. Collison our future PG

hornets shave posey extra year. Get good backup in Jack and #13

Collison / Farmar / Banks
Derozan / Belinelli / Sasha
Turkaglu / Weems / Wright
Bargnani / Posey / Dorsey
Bynum / Johnson

I then hope Hedo plays better with Bynum, raises his value and we can trade him. This would give us no financial strain. We have no longterm contracts if Hedo is gone. So we can rebuild properly. Say Bynum has a injury. We can trade Hedo for expiring, we do badly get the #1 Harrison barnes

Collison
Derozan
Barnes
Bargnani
Bynum

yes please. Dream I know but those two trades up there are realistic
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#353 » by MacDaddy » Sun May 2, 2010 7:14 pm

ash_k wrote:29 million reasons, in this economy.
Even if we are "officially" out of the recession.
those 2 missed a lot of games for G-State, so it would be a risk (as those 2 are showing signs of potentially being prone to injuries: lowering their values)
then you add up what I said in the original post and you can see how a trade like that could workout for both parties


nope, I can't see how it works out for GS.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#354 » by cb4fan1 » Sun May 2, 2010 9:47 pm

Lakers’ deal for Raptors star has a shot

Here is what I came across... an interesting read though..

....My source believes the Lakers will offer Andrew Bynum for Bosh (if they haven’t done so already) well before the deadline expires. In itself, the one-for-one swap is impossible to make. Bynum’s “base year” essentially allows L.A. to take back but half of his salary this year ($12.5M). Of course, that restriction is lifted when next year’s salary ($13.7M) activates come July 1, at which time a sign-and-trade transaction would be feasible.


......team president Bryan Colangelo, who surely is being contacted on a daily basis regarding the availability of his franchise player — especially when the team was 11-17 — he replied in kind:


http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/lakers_deal_for_raptors_star_has_FbaSSsePPGi1gsgGsfES9M#ixzz0cE143pRP

Don't know if this was posted before.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#355 » by Buddha » Mon May 3, 2010 7:18 am

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James Posey
#11 Pick

For

ImageImage
Marco Belinelli
Reggie Evans
#13 Pick

ACCEPTED

Reason for the Hornets
Minor trade here. Reason for this trade is because it "clears" up cap for the Hornets which is one of their problems. Both Belinelli and Evans have expiring contracts next year which is always a good thing for teams that are in need of cap space. It clears up about $6,000,000 for them.

With the swap for picks, it's also due to because of that cap space New Orleans is trying to clear up, it's not much of a big difference but it will do. New Orleans can still get a player they want, but for lesser price.

Reason for the Raptors
As for the Raptors, one of the major complaints we had about this team was defense. Although James Posey is heading up there in age, he has a good year or two left to give to us. He already won a championship with the Celtics, he can become a mentor for our younger players.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#356 » by ballislife » Mon May 3, 2010 8:01 am

If bosh wants to go to LA and doesn't want to resign to play in toronto, I believe this is a done deal. Hopefully if this is the case, the lakers take on Calderon as well for some expiring and good pieces (ie. Sasha, and Walton or brown), which I think they won't have a problem doing. It's a very good deal for both teams and it's very realistic... We get a 22yo centre who would love the chance to take on a greater role here and try to become an all star in the weak eastern conference... It would also take pressure of bargnani because of the legit presence down low. It's a win win for both teams.. We get younger and great talent, and they get pieces that legitimizes them as the team to beat in the NBA
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Post#357 » by AMG » Mon May 3, 2010 8:33 am

If Bosh would stay for this, I would try it out. This would be a dream in terms of Win-now mode, but it would definitely mess us up long term:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=33xfebz

We end up with a lineup of:

Hibbert/Bargs/Jordan
Bosh/Bargs/Hansbrough
Prince/MLE/ATL's 1st pick for 3 mil or buy a 2nd pick
Rip/1st Rd Pick
BDiddy/S&T PG for Amir (lol, Ford?)

Forget whether I am too high and raping other teams, does this team become a contender on paper? Say we even added Van Gundy or Avery Johnson. Are we legit or pretenders? Even if it's a 1 or 2 year window, I mortage the future. I prefer rebuilding, but I have absolutely no faith that it would be done right and MLSE wants exciting teams that sell seats.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#358 » by Rapsobsessed7 » Mon May 3, 2010 11:59 am

Buddha wrote:Image
James Posey
#11 Pick

For

ImageImage
Marco Belinelli
Reggie Evans
#13 Pick

ACCEPTED

Reason for the Hornets
Minor trade here. Reason for this trade is because it "clears" up cap for the Hornets which is one of their problems. Both Belinelli and Evans have expiring contracts next year which is always a good thing for teams that are in need of cap space. It clears up about $6,000,000 for them.

With the swap for picks, it's also due to because of that cap space New Orleans is trying to clear up, it's not much of a big difference but it will do. New Orleans can still get a player they want, but for lesser price.

Reason for the Raptors
As for the Raptors, one of the major complaints we had about this team was defense. Although James Posey is heading up there in age, he has a good year or two left to give to us. He already won a championship with the Celtics, he can become a mentor for our younger players.


like it, however id try to include New Jersey and get Harris.

Something like.

To TOR: Diop + Harris + Posey
To NJ: Ajinca + #11 + Banks
To NOH: Evans + #13
To CHA: Calderon

Nets GM liked Ajinca in the 2008 draft but he was taken right before they picked

Harris / Jack / Atkins (signed minimum)
Derozan / Weems / Belinelli
Turkaglu / Posey
Bosh / Johnson / Dorsey
Bargnani / Powell (signed 1.3 million) / Diop

Thats actually a pretty solid team. Good depth, improved defense & i think Diop could fit here because he is a big 7 footer that we can throw at people.
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#359 » by bboyskinnylegs » Mon May 3, 2010 1:34 pm

Rapsobsessed7 wrote:
Buddha wrote:Image
James Posey
#11 Pick

For

ImageImage
Marco Belinelli
Reggie Evans
#13 Pick

ACCEPTED

Reason for the Hornets
Minor trade here. Reason for this trade is because it "clears" up cap for the Hornets which is one of their problems. Both Belinelli and Evans have expiring contracts next year which is always a good thing for teams that are in need of cap space. It clears up about $6,000,000 for them.

With the swap for picks, it's also due to because of that cap space New Orleans is trying to clear up, it's not much of a big difference but it will do. New Orleans can still get a player they want, but for lesser price.

Reason for the Raptors
As for the Raptors, one of the major complaints we had about this team was defense. Although James Posey is heading up there in age, he has a good year or two left to give to us. He already won a championship with the Celtics, he can become a mentor for our younger players.


like it, however id try to include New Jersey and get Harris.

Something like.

To TOR: Diop + Harris + Posey
To NJ: Ajinca + #11 + Banks
To NOH: Evans + #13
To CHA: Calderon

Nets GM liked Ajinca in the 2008 draft but he was taken right before they picked

Harris / Jack / Atkins (signed minimum)
Derozan / Weems / Belinelli
Turkaglu / Posey
Bosh / Johnson / Dorsey
Bargnani / Powell (signed 1.3 million) / Diop

Thats actually a pretty solid team. Good depth, improved defense & i think Diop could fit here because he is a big 7 footer that we can throw at people.

Can we just leave the picks out of the initial trade, and take on more salary to try to pick up Collison? I don't think moving from #13 to #11 is going to make a huge difference (at best it will guarantee us one of Udoh/Whiteside). I would much rather have the PG situation figured out with Darren as our future (and our own #13, which is decent in itself and will be enough get us one of Whiteside/Orton/Udoh, or George/Henry).
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Re: Toronto Raptors 2010 Official Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#360 » by FireColangelo » Mon May 3, 2010 4:12 pm

If BC somehow pulled off getting Harris + Iguodala and Dalembert while shedding Calderon we'd be set. I don't see Hedo going anywhere.

Harris/Jack
Iguodala/Weems
DeRozan/Turkoglu
Bosh/Amir
Bargnani/Dalembert

50+ win team right there in my opinion.

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