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[Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline

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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#361 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:59 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:The Raps should definitely not give up 1sts or core young players for rentals or guys in their 30s. The Raps aren't a contender, they aren't one rotation piece from being in title contention. The Raps should be in asset accumulation mode.

If the Raps can add a youngish player who will complement the core and projects to be part of that core for the next few years then it makes sense to make a deal including some quality assets.

What the Raps really need is a young star, particularly a star scorer/creator and all their energy and assets should go into acquiring or developing one.


That's Siakam and 2 firsts for Jalen Brown talk I know it
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Post#362 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:46 pm

don't trade a first unless you can get a young player with at least high end starter potential back or use that pick for to acquire a major upgrade (star player).
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Post#363 » by johanliebert » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:04 pm

19 pages so they can pick up another Birch type of Center. I’m still of the notion that pascal or OG have to be dealt to free up more responsibility for Barnes.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#364 » by notagenius » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:07 pm

Please get a center

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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#365 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:09 pm

Madhouse wrote:don't trade a first unless you can get a young player with at least high end starter potential back or use that pick for to acquire a major upgrade (star player).


Nobody is talking about Memphis but they have too many rotation guys and an extra first. I could see us swapping picks with the and moving down 10 to get Konchar or swap Birch for Melton or some **** like that.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#366 » by Inevitable » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:31 pm

I'm of the opinion Masai does nothing and let's the team sink or swim. Fred and Pascal are young superstars with their best days ahead of them.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#367 » by TorontoRapsFan » Wed Jan 26, 2022 9:33 pm

How many players on the FA list for this off season would be serious rotation pieces for the Raptors? I look at the list and it's not pretty. This makes me think getting a bench piece through trade now is fairly important. There is barely anyone on the FA list I'd want to throw the MLE at for the next few years.
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Post#368 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:16 pm

Inevitable wrote:I'm of the opinion Masai does nothing and let's the team sink or swim. Fred and Pascal are young superstars with their best days ahead of them.


That would indicate a conflict with Nurse, who's been playing 7 guys (before last night) as an obvious cry for help from the FO
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#369 » by WaltFrazier » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:44 pm

From Grange.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/


The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

Instead, the goal is to scour the market for pieces that can augment that group now and in the near future.

The Raptors are actively gauging the potential return if they attach future assets -- a first-round pick at minimum -- to their one ‘no-brainer’ trade chip: Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract.


Doing nothing and finishing 11th -- missing the play-in tournament and landing low in the lottery -- would be a hard one to explain.


I like his thinking. Let's do something, but don't touch the big 5
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Post#370 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:49 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:From Grange.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/


The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

Instead, the goal is to scour the market for pieces that can augment that group now and in the near future.

The Raptors are actively gauging the potential return if they attach future assets -- a first-round pick at minimum -- to their one ‘no-brainer’ trade chip: Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract.


Doing nothing and finishing 11th -- missing the play-in tournament and landing low in the lottery -- would be a hard one to explain.


I like his thinking. Let's do something, but don't touch the big 5


I'm not sure why it would be hard to explain?

Would be a good thing to add another lotto pick.

If Dragic plus a first round pick somehow nets a young player with very serious potential, you can think about it but don't force it.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#371 » by Johnny Bball » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:55 pm

Ell Curry wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The Raps should definitely not give up 1sts or core young players for rentals or guys in their 30s. The Raps aren't a contender, they aren't one rotation piece from being in title contention. The Raps should be in asset accumulation mode.

If the Raps can add a youngish player who will complement the core and projects to be part of that core for the next few years then it makes sense to make a deal including some quality assets.

What the Raps really need is a young star, particularly a star scorer/creator and all their energy and assets should go into acquiring or developing one.


That's Siakam and 2 firsts for Jalen Brown talk I know it


viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2160447

and two firsts?
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Post#372 » by DelAbbot » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:55 pm

Madhouse wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:From Grange.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/


The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

Instead, the goal is to scour the market for pieces that can augment that group now and in the near future.

The Raptors are actively gauging the potential return if they attach future assets -- a first-round pick at minimum -- to their one ‘no-brainer’ trade chip: Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract.


Doing nothing and finishing 11th -- missing the play-in tournament and landing low in the lottery -- would be a hard one to explain.


I like his thinking. Let's do something, but don't touch the big 5


I'm not sure why it would be hard to explain?

Would be a good thing to add another lotto pick.

If Dragic plus a first round pick somehow nets a young player with very serious potential, you can think about it but don't force it.
Hard to explain to whom? Masai started the season saying this is a development season, not to get into playoff season.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#373 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:59 pm

DelAbbot wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:From Grange.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/






I like his thinking. Let's do something, but don't touch the big 5


I'm not sure why it would be hard to explain?

Would be a good thing to add another lotto pick.

If Dragic plus a first round pick somehow nets a young player with very serious potential, you can think about it but don't force it.
Hard to explain to whom? Masai started the season saying this is a development season, not to get into playoff season.


Maybe Nurse but I don't see what problem the management would have with it. Build and develop. And another lotto pick could move the needle for years to come.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#374 » by Ell Curry » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:10 pm

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Ell Curry wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:The Raps should definitely not give up 1sts or core young players for rentals or guys in their 30s. The Raps aren't a contender, they aren't one rotation piece from being in title contention. The Raps should be in asset accumulation mode.

If the Raps can add a youngish player who will complement the core and projects to be part of that core for the next few years then it makes sense to make a deal including some quality assets.

What the Raps really need is a young star, particularly a star scorer/creator and all their energy and assets should go into acquiring or developing one.


That's Siakam and 2 firsts for Jalen Brown talk I know it


viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2160447

and two firsts?


1 first for Brown being 2 years younger and 0.5 firsts for the 7M difference in salaries and then I rounded up.

I think Siakam is better right now but Jaylen is a better fit with Scottie long-term, and Masai dials back the radicalism/ideological extremism of the forward-fest (tough to argue for after last night) and we have 4 shooters around Scottie in VanVleet, Jaylen, OG and Trent playing all the 1-3 minutes in a playoff series, Banton or Champagnie should be fine as the backup 4 for 10-12 minutes a night and we'd still need a center, but we could add a more traditional one that's easier to get on the cheap.
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Post#375 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:14 pm

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Johnny Bball wrote:
Ell Curry wrote:
That's Siakam and 2 firsts for Jalen Brown talk I know it


viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2160447

and two firsts?


1 first for Brown being 2 years younger and 0.5 firsts for the 7M difference in salaries and then I rounded up.

I think Siakam is better right now but Jaylen is a better fit with Scottie long-term, and Masai dials back the radicalism/ideological extremism of the forward-fest (tough to argue for after last night) and we have 4 shooters around Scottie in VanVleet, Jaylen, OG and Trent playing all the 1-3 minutes in a playoff series, Banton or Champagnie should be fine as the backup 4 for 10-12 minutes a night and we'd still need a center, but we could add a more traditional one that's easier to get on the cheap.


flip Gary for a C in this case.
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Post#376 » by Ackshun » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:31 pm

johanliebert wrote:19 pages so they can pick up another Birch type of Center. I’m still of the notion that pascal or OG have to be dealt to free up more responsibility for Barnes.


I second this. I was bearish on Pascal in general but he's played well enough that I'd entertain moving OG instead. If salaries were to remain constant, I'd trade Pascal though.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#377 » by mtcan » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:35 pm

I don't know if OG has it in him to be more than a 3rd or 4th option on offense. How many all star appearances does he have by end of his career?
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Post#378 » by Madhouse » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:39 pm

mtcan wrote:I don't know if OG has it in him to be more than a 3rd or 4th option on offense. How many all star appearances does he have by end of his career?


you never know how these players develop, maybe he becomes an Allstar later in his career like a LaVine or Middleton and keeps getting better but I also would not bet on him ever becoming an Allstar
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#379 » by Son Goku 25 » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:40 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:From Grange.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/


The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

Instead, the goal is to scour the market for pieces that can augment that group now and in the near future.

The Raptors are actively gauging the potential return if they attach future assets -- a first-round pick at minimum -- to their one ‘no-brainer’ trade chip: Goran Dragic’s expiring $19.4 million contract.


Doing nothing and finishing 11th -- missing the play-in tournament and landing low in the lottery -- would be a hard one to explain.


I like his thinking. Let's do something, but don't touch the big 5


Grange saying what I've been saying. Its really how our leadership operates. I'd be shocked if one of the top 5 players are traded away. It'll likely be either adding a younger player with upside around the age 25 to 27 with boucher involved but well take on an extra year or slightly higher salary. Or, well make some minor trades to add in 2 more players to our depth without hurting cap basically letting this team play it out in playoffs and figure things out.

Really easy to say this though because we know how Masai operates.
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Re: [Lewenberg] Sources say Raptors intend to be buyers this deadline 

Post#380 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Jan 26, 2022 11:41 pm

mtcan wrote:I don't know if OG has it in him to be more than a 3rd or 4th option on offense. How many all star appearances does he have by end of his career?

My guess? 0.

He won't see the field goal attempts here to do it. Only chance he does is if we trade him to a team like Detroit (like Grant was) and he puts up 20+ a game randomly one year

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