Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

[raf1995]

Something like this could be interesting as a framework

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Homer goggles aside:

Raptors have to give up more than that. I wish they didn’t but we have to stop being such homers about this.

[ItsDanger]

Teams are going to spout off comments like "frustrating" especially when past offers as little as 1 year ago may have be shown to be fair or plus value trades at this current point in time, with benefit of hindsight.

[Clutch0z24]

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Masai & Bobby are that one fantasy basketball GM that offer you the worst trade packages over and over trying to fleece you and than you have convos with other Fantasy basketball GMs in your league and find out they are offering everyone the same kind of dumb trades and everyone in the league does not take them seriously anymore...

Sadly i think that has happened to our front office over the last little while....And thats why we only made trades with the Spurs for the last few seasons cause they are the only team willing to trade with us....Lol

[LoveMyRaps]

Something like this could be interesting as a framework

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Homer goggles aside:

Raptors have to give up more than that. I wish they didn’t but we have to stop being such homers about this.

WE have to give up more????

We're essentially trading Pascal for #2 straight up.

[Bruin]

I think we may have found JRoy’s burner

[raf1995]

Matt Moore is connected to the Pacers and Pritchard is a loser that whines a lot. So what if Masai doesn't want to give OG away or deal with a guy that leaks everything to the media. Difference between a champ and a serial trader.

Thank you for adding the context. I’m sure the usual suspects will just gloss over it though.

There couldn’t possibly be an agenda in leaks at this time the year…

This isn’t the first time we’ve heard this about Masai though. Hard to discount it all as some kind of conspiracy when it happens every year since 2019. This is the same guy that could have had Shaedon Sharpe and chose to keep his role player instead because Portland wouldn’t add more picks. Penny wise, pound foolish.

[raf1995]

Homer goggles aside:

Raptors have to give up more than that. I wish they didn’t but we have to stop being such homers about this.

WE have to give up more????

We're essentially trading Pascal for #2 straight up.

No team is trading a top 3 pick in a stacked draft for expiring Siakam.

[NinjaBro]

If the third pick is valued more than Siakam (which I think it is), what would we be willing to add to Siakam to get a deal done? #14? OG? Maybe OG is included as well and we take back 23?

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

We're not adding anything. If Por wants Siakam they have to add Sharpe + 3

[youreachiteach]

I think it's suggesting Masai's price tag for OG is really high. Pascal is at a lower price but it's still not cheap. This makes sense to me given our timeline and the age difference.

[ItsDanger]

The truth might be that Masai will only go rebuild route if other teams pay extravagant prices for his assets. If that's the case, he could end up either overpaying or keeping his talent too long which results in lower overall value during that period. The signs are already there.

[LoveMyRaps]

raf1995 is definitely JRoy looool.

[JRoy]

I think we may have found JRoy’s burner

I don’t have a burner.

I can see why some FO might hold that opinion about the TOR FO.

That has not been my experience on this board. You have been pretty gracious, for the most part, despite my dissenting opinion.

I will still fight you all like the Hanson brothers.

[ItsDanger]

[KrazyP]

We’re not gonna get a better offer than this EVER for Siakam. After this season he’s gonna sign a big extension, will be in his 30’s. Still no where close to actually contending so timelines won’t match. Get the best asset possible now. Getting 3-4 weak first round picks possibly, in the future isn’t better than a guaranteed top 3 pick in a great draft class.

I will go back to my previous point. If the Raps feel the guy available at #3 this year is screaming franchise potential, you make the trade. If they feel the #3 pick is a bit of a crapshoot like most drafts, then you hold out for more.

I'm always uncomfortable with people saying this is a "great draft class". I've heard that line before even for weak drafts. The fact that every team with a pick in the 3-10 range is trying to trade it is alarming to me.

“Multiple sources have described the Raptors as frustrating to deal with.” that was just posted. So I think Masai asks for unreasonable returns because he does not want to trade anyone.

Theres a lot of parity across the league with more teams looking to improve than there are actual quality players available. Raps should be hard negotiators in this case as Siakam and/or OG are the best assets actually available that make sense for the most amount of teams.

People were frustrated with Morey too when he wouldnt trade Simmons until he got what he wanted....would it have been better for him to trade Simmons for VanVleet instead of Harden because Ujiri might of been frustrated with Morey?

[JRoy]

Siakam + OG for 3 + 23 is just awful, as is Siakam + 13 for 3 (no offense to you)

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

We're not adding anything. If Por wants Siakam they have to add Sharpe + 3

Pass.

We will keep the pick and enjoy our young duo. TOR can draft a guard next week.

[Bruin]

Can’t wait for the draft to just come and go so this discourse can all just come to an end and we can start looking forward to Summer league

[Morse Code]

Ok fine, but what are you willing to add to Siakam to get Scoot? Because #3 for Siakam isn’t something Portland would (or should) agree to.

We’re not adding anything. There should be no reason to add to an All NBA talent in his prime for a #3 pick

We want this deal to happen but let’s not get delusional and undervalue pascal so much. He’d be a massive addition for Portland and Dame

If Pascal was 26 and had 3+ years on his deal, 3 for Pascal would be fair. But a generational PG prospect is not getting moved straight up for a 29 year old expiring contract. And yeah, he made all nba 2nd team 3 years ago, but he’s not considered a top 20 player in the nba anymore. You sound like Masai.

2019 RJ Barrett, Duke – New York Knicks
2018 Luka Doncic, Slovenia – Dallas Mavericks
2017 Jayson Tatum, Duke – Boston Celtics
2016 Jaylen Brown, California – Boston Celtics
2015 Jahlil Okafor, Duke – Philadelphia 76ers
2014 Joel Embiid, Kansas – Philadelphia 76ers
2013 Otto Porter, Georgetown – Washington Wizards
2012 Bradley Beal, Florida – Washington Wizards
2011 Enes Kanter, Kentucky – Utah Jazz
2010 Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets

How many of them would you take over Pascal? There's a risk we significantly lose this trade if Scoot doesn't pan out, and that's worth something. Accept it.

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[raf1995]

Lmao at being roasted for being realistic about the value of our players. Unfortunate that Masai feels the same as you all do though—we’re headed toward locking in big money for a mid-tier core because we were so concerned about getting 130 cents on the dollar that we did nothing. Fred is already about to leave for nothing (or at the very most, some late pick or bench player). It’ll be fun when the same thing happens to the rest of our core too.

[Bruin]

Buddy has been on the board for 6 months and has made more posts in the last 2 pages than he’s made anywhere else

If that ain’t a burner account then idk what is

[raf1995]

We’re not adding anything. There should be no reason to add to an All NBA talent in his prime for a #3 pick

We want this deal to happen but let’s not get delusional and undervalue pascal so much. He’d be a massive addition for Portland and Dame

If Pascal was 26 and had 3+ years on his deal, 3 for Pascal would be fair. But a generational PG prospect is not getting moved straight up for a 29 year old expiring contract. And yeah, he made all nba 2nd team 3 years ago, but he’s not considered a top 20 player in the nba anymore. You sound like Masai.

2019 RJ Barrett, Duke – New York Knicks
2018 Luka Doncic, Slovenia – Dallas Mavericks
2017 Jayson Tatum, Duke – Boston Celtics
2016 Jaylen Brown, California – Boston Celtics
2015 Jahlil Okafor, Duke – Philadelphia 76ers
2014 Joel Embiid, Kansas – Philadelphia 76ers
2013 Otto Porter, Georgetown – Washington Wizards
2012 Bradley Beal, Florida – Washington Wizards
2011 Enes Kanter, Kentucky – Utah Jazz
2010 Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech – New Jersey Nets

How many of them would you take over Pascal? There's a risk we significantly lose this trade if Scoot doesn't pan out, and that's worth something. Accept it.

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Here’s the thing though. It’s not a generic #3 pick. It’s a pick in this draft with this level of talent in the top 3. This years pick is worth more than top 3 picks in other drafts. And yeah, there’s no guarantee. But that’s why it’s high risk high reward. Scoot has the potential to be much more than Siakam ever will be. We have to go all in if we want the reward. If you want to play it safe, keep the core together and add a better bench and coaching staff and see what happens. The choice is ours.