OT: Brandon Jennings Going Gaga

[Shezmu]

Let's ignore jokes that belittle and isolate certain types of people because they don't qualify for that status? Are you really saying that?

Who said anything about them not qualifying for any sort of status? You need to stop looking at everything either politically correct or wrong and understand that their is a degree of inappropriateness for every issue.

Have homosexuals been discriminated against? Yes. But your blind to think that homosexuals aren't breaking down barriers every day at a relatively fast pace and that the struggle was as hard as the race of black of people overcoming slavery and and ridiculous amount more of oppression.

The fact that you're even comparing the word queer to N***** is offensive. That's like me saying the discrimination I recieved for my passion of Star Wars and Star trek is the same as the discrimination against homosexuals. The word "trekkie" or whatever the offensive word they consider is the same as queer. Do you deny that Star trek fans weren't teased and bullied throughout their lives? Now would you dare equally compare it to the way homosexuals were treated throughout their lives?

Understand that their are different degrees of appropriateness before you recklessely make comparisons. I don't mind if you want to make an argument that the "Fear the queer" would still be offensive. But don't you dare say that the word queer holds the same weight as N***** you ignorant clown.

[Troubadour]

The video was funny, the sig isn't. It's just one of many things underscoring the presence of homophobia in society.

Grow up.

[OvertimeNO]

Let's ignore jokes that belittle and isolate certain types of people because they don't qualify for that status? Are you really saying that?

Who said anything about them not qualifying for any sort of status? You need to stop looking at everything either politically correct or wrong and understand that their is a degree of inappropriateness for every issue.

Have homosexuals been discriminated against? Yes. But your blind to think that homosexuals aren't breaking down barriers every day at a relatively fast pace and that the struggle was as hard as the race of black of people overcoming slavery and and ridiculous amount more of oppression.

The fact that you're even comparing the word queer to N***** is offensive. That's like me saying the discrimination I recieved for my passion of Star Wars and Star trek is the same as the discrimination against homosexuals. The word "trekkie" or whatever the offensive word they consider is the same as queer. Do you deny that Star trek fans weren't teased and bullied throughout their lives? Now would you dare equally compare it to the way homosexuals were treated throughout their lives?

Understand that their are different degrees of appropriateness before you recklessely make comparisons. I don't mind if you want to make an argument that the "Fear the queer" would still be offensive. But don't you dare say that the word queer holds the same weight as N***** you ignorant clown.

It isn't the word, it's the intent. Implying that gay people are a joke accomplishes exactly the same thing as calling someone a n******. It don't matter what words are used.

Oh and wow, I can't believe I missed this:

Have homosexuals been discriminated against? Yes. But your blind to think that homosexuals aren't breaking down barriers every day at a relatively fast pace and that the struggle was as hard as the race of black of people overcoming slavery and and ridiculous amount more of oppression.

What part of "being openly gay in many countries today still constitutes a death sentence" is somehow less serious than anything else any other oppressed group has been through?

[Shezmu]

Dude, gays were sent to concentration camps in Nazi Germany just like the Jews and the Roma. In many countries around the word, being openly gay is still a death sentence. Don't talk to me about degree of severity. This sort of "harmless" humor is always, always a slippery slope.

Are you kidding me? I realize that homosexuality is still widely unnaccepted in mostof the Middle Eastern countries and have obvious struggles here but you still can't compare their pain to the struggles of the Jews and other races/ethnicities . Get back to me when their are entire genocides or wars in the name of condeming homosexuality.

As for the point about "harmless humor" you've seriously gotten off track. I'm not defending people throwing rocks at homosexuals and claiming its just a joke. I am specifically talking about that slogan which is CLEARLY simply a play on words and means no offense to the homosexual community.

[OvertimeNO]

Dude, gays were sent to concentration camps in Nazi Germany just like the Jews and the Roma. In many countries around the word, being openly gay is still a death sentence. Don't talk to me about degree of severity. This sort of "harmless" humor is always, always a slippery slope.

Are you kidding me? I realize that homosexuality is still widely unnaccepted in mostof the Middle Eastern countries and have obvious struggles here but you still can't compare their pain to the struggles of the Jews and other races/ethnicities . Get back to me when their are entire genocides or wars in the name of condeming homosexuality.

As for the point about "harmless humor" you've seriously gotten off track. I'm not defending people throwing rocks at homosexuals and claiming its just a joke. I am specifically talking about that slogan which is CLEARLY simply a play on words and means no offense to the homosexual community.

Nothing is CLEAR. The slogan isn't just a play on words. It implies that people who are gay are automatically a joke. No explanation was needed for idiots to find it funny.

Get back to me when their are entire genocides or wars in the name of condeming homosexuality.

Google "death penalty" and "homosexual".

[Duffman100]

Let's ignore jokes that belittle and isolate certain types of people because they don't qualify for that status? Are you really saying that?

Who said anything about them not qualifying for any sort of status? You need to stop looking at everything either politically correct or wrong and understand that their is a degree of inappropriateness for every issue.

Have homosexuals been discriminated against? Yes. But your blind to think that homosexuals aren't breaking down barriers every day at a relatively fast pace and that the struggle was as hard as the race of black of people overcoming slavery and and ridiculous amount more of oppression.

The fact that you're even comparing the word queer to N***** is offensive. That's like me saying the discrimination I recieved for my passion of Star Wars and Star trek is the same as the discrimination against homosexuals. The word "trekkie" or whatever the offensive word they consider is the same as queer. Do you deny that Star trek fans weren't teased and bullied throughout their lives? Now would you dare equally compare it to the way homosexuals were treated throughout their lives?

Understand that their are different degrees of appropriateness before you recklessely make comparisons. I don't mind if you want to make an argument that the "Fear the queer" would still be offensive. But don't you dare say that the word queer holds the same weight as N***** you ignorant clown.

You begin by saying that you said nothing about qualifying for specific status and then go on to say that each persecuted group of people have different statuses. Which one is it?

And yes, I will compare the two. Because both have been persecuted throughout time, both have lost their lives from something that they can't control. If you're going to speak of ignorance, I think you overlooking the plight of homosexuals for the past 1000 years is indeed, VERY ignorant.

Why does it have to be a pissing match? Why does one have to "win" over the other? How about you avoid saying offensive things towards a certain group because it's really not necessary.

[Duffman100]

And your Star Trek/Wars argument is again, ridiculous. I can't believe I missed that.

The persecution of homosexuals and African/African Americans have a common element. MURDER.

Give me a break.

[Shezmu]

[quote="OvertimeNO"]It isn't the word, it's the intent. Implying that gay people are a joke accomplishes exactly the same thing as calling someone a n******. It don't matter what words are used.]

Exactly the INTENT is for humor. If Bogut was caught drinking alot of beer and someone make a slogan called Fear the beer, would it be offensive to the beer because we're making a joke about it? Would it be offensive to alcholics because we're making a joke about it? Or would it be a funny play on words describing the situations.

BJ was performing acts that seemed very homosexual in manner you have to agree. Therefore acting like a "queer". Even homosexuals would agree. Now this part is the most important. When they made the slogan Fear the deer was it meant to offend the deer? No, it was meant to tell people fear their team. Now they've simply switched the latter half to most accurately describe their star player in his act of humor and to fear HIM. Not fear homosexuals.

Now you might argue that Brandon Jennings dancing like that shouldn't be classified as a queer behaviour but it is. You can't deny that.

[Duffman100]

It isn't the word, it's the intent. Implying that gay people are a joke accomplishes exactly the same thing as calling someone a n******. It don't matter what words are used.]

Exactly the INTENT is for humor. If Bogut was caught drinking alot of beer and someone make a slogan called Fear the beer, would it be offensive to the beer because we're making a joke about it? Would it be offensive to alcholics because we're making a joke about it? Or would it be a funny play on words describing the situations.

BJ was performing acts that seemed very homosexual in manner you have to agree. Therefore acting like a "queer". Even homosexuals would agree. Now this part is the most important. When they made the slogan Fear the deer was it meant to offend the deer? No, it was meant to tell people fear their team. Now they've simply switched the latter half to most accurately describe their star player in his act of humor and to fear HIM. Not fear homosexuals.

Now you might argue that Brandon Jennings dancing like that shouldn't be classified as a queer behaviour but it is. You can't deny that.

None of that made any sense. At all.

Beer doesn't = Alcoholics. Alcoholics = Alcoholics. So if you said, Fear the Alcoholics, yes it would be offensive.

Queer, like N******, has been a word used to discriminate, persecute and belittle homosexuals for a very long time. So when you say "Fear the Queer",
a) It's using a word that already has a negative homophobic meaning
b) You're implying that homosexuals should be avoided
c) It's a joke, but there is still obvious homophobia within a joke (ie Hide your car, a black person is coming)

[OvertimeNO]

It isn't the word, it's the intent. Implying that gay people are a joke accomplishes exactly the same thing as calling someone a n******. It don't matter what words are used.]

Exactly the INTENT is for humor. If Bogut was caught drinking alot of beer and someone make a slogan called Fear the beer, would it be offensive to the beer because we're making a joke about it? Would it be offensive to alcholics because we're making a joke about it? Or would it be a funny play on words describing the situations.

BJ was performing acts that seemed very homosexual in manner you have to agree. Therefore acting like a "queer". Even homosexuals would agree. Now this part is the most important. When they made the slogan Fear the deer was it meant to offend the deer? No, it was meant to tell people fear their team. Now they've simply switched the latter half to most accurately describe their star player in his act of humor and to fear HIM. Not fear homosexuals.

Now you might argue that Brandon Jennings dancing like that shouldn't be classified as a queer behaviour but it is. You can't deny that.

Instead of beating around the bush, just come out and say you think it's okay to laugh at gay people. I'd respect you for your honesty at least.

[Duffman100]

Honestly, and I'm not trying to be patronizing, but you tend to get a little PC as you get older.

My girlfriend's brother has down syndrome, but friend's dad is an alcoholic, my dad is gay, etc etc etc...

So when you see how these things directly effect someone and hear stories about them growing up either isolated or depressed, your sense of humour about the situation tends to wane.

Is the intent of that sig malicious? No, not at all. But it definitely puts down a group in society who is put down every day already. It's not needed and it's really not funny.

And it's one step from pushing a kid down and calling him a f*****, a queer, or gayboy.

[Shezmu]

What part of "being openly gay in many countries today still constitutes a death sentence" is somehow less serious than anything else any other oppressed group has been through?

Alright I concede that the Homosexuals have suffered the same degree of discrimination as other ethnicities. I seem to have gotten too far of topic into territory I wasn't sure about because I never really cared for homosexuals. However, I still firmly beleive that the word N***** itself, holds much more weight than queer. Simply because of the way they are used in society today as one of those words is MUCH more accepted than the other. I still stand firmly on my stance that the sig is a joke and should be treated as one because of the intent behind the creation of it.

[Shezmu]

Instead of beating around the bush, just come out and say you think it's okay to laugh at gay people. I'd respect you for your honesty at least.

Why don't you disprove what I said instead of swaying from the argument. I've conceded my other point in that homosexuals have in fact faced as tough challenges. However I still firmly believe that the sig is a joke and to treat it as anythign else is an overreaction. This is my main argument.

[Duffman100]

What part of "being openly gay in many countries today still constitutes a death sentence" is somehow less serious than anything else any other oppressed group has been through?

Alright I concede that the Homosexuals have suffered the same degree of discrimination as other ethnicities. I seem to have gotten too far of topic into territory I wasn't sure about because I never really cared for homosexuals. However, I still firmly beleive that the word N***** itself, holds much more weight than queer. Simply because of the way they are used in society today as one of those words is MUCH more accepted than the other. I still stand firmly on my stance that the sig is a joke and should be treated as one because of the intent behind the creation of it.

Fair enough. My personal opinion is that it's really unnecessary to compare "Who's been persecuted more" and "Who's had it worse". Because a lot of people's unfortunate situations tend to get ignored.

And I think the point we're trying to make is that jokes still hurt. I'm sure there are some gay people, maybe some gay poster, who look at that and feel bad. Because it reminds them of how they're treated every day.

So it's unnecessary.

[GJC]

Shezmu your star trek argument is down right ignorant. Being a fan of star trek or star wars is a CHOICE being black or gay isn't.

[juror1]

Nothing is CLEAR. The slogan isn't just a play on words. It implies that people who are gay are automatically a joke. No explanation was needed for idiots to find it funny.

Didn't you start the thread on the 'this is a harmless pun, which is kinda funny but not intended to be homophobic' side of the argument? You can't just switch teams mid thread... it's what we would call... frowned upon.

[Shezmu]

Exactly the INTENT is for humor. If Bogut was caught drinking alot of beer and someone make a slogan called Fear the beer, would it be offensive to the beer because we're making a joke about it? Would it be offensive to alcholics because we're making a joke about it? Or would it be a funny play on words describing the situations.

BJ was performing acts that seemed very homosexual in manner you have to agree. Therefore acting like a "queer". Even homosexuals would agree. Now this part is the most important. When they made the slogan Fear the deer was it meant to offend the deer? No, it was meant to tell people fear their team. Now they've simply switched the latter half to most accurately describe their star player in his act of humor and to fear HIM. Not fear homosexuals.

Now you might argue that Brandon Jennings dancing like that shouldn't be classified as a queer behaviour but it is. You can't deny that.

This is my main arguemnt. I conceded to the fact that homosexuals have just as hard a time as other races/ethnicities which by the proof put before me is true.

[OvertimeNO]

Nothing is CLEAR. The slogan isn't just a play on words. It implies that people who are gay are automatically a joke. No explanation was needed for idiots to find it funny.

Didn't you start the thread on the 'this is a harmless pun, which is kinda funny but not intended to be homophobic' side of the argument? You can't just switch teams mid thread... it's what we would call... frowned upon.

I forgot where I was, and didn't think I needed to green font that initial statement. My mistake.

[OvertimeNO]

Instead of beating around the bush, just come out and say you think it's okay to laugh at gay people. I'd respect you for your honesty at least.

Why don't you disprove what I said instead of swaying from the argument. I've conceded my other point in that homosexuals have in fact faced as tough challenges. However I still firmly believe that the sig is a joke and to treat it as anythign else is an overreaction. This is my main argument.

So if someone jokingly made a photo of Brandon Jennings eating watermelon and fried chicken, you'd be cool with that?

[juror1]

Guys calling the sig homophobic: I think it is good that you are standing up for what you believe in and equal respect among the different orientations, though I think in this case you are taking things a little overboard. This was a joke, and who ever compared the word "queer" to the N word is way off base, there is no comparison. The words "queer" and "gay" as most know have different meanings and in the past were common words not associated with homosexually but today are. I'm pretty sure *aggot is closer to the N word... you could compare the sig to one saying 'fear the black man', but when you get into slurs, like someone already said there is a slippery slope.