Bruno Caboclo's wingspan

skywalker33 · Post #41 » by **skywalker33** » Wed May 6, 2015 3:03 am

So how loing before you guys think he becomes relevant to your team ??

UneducatedFan86 · Post #42 » by **UneducatedFan86** » Wed May 6, 2015 3:05 am

I still have no idea why we'd draft such a major project, and then bring them over in their first year. It makes no sense. I also don't believe in that "he needs to learn English and the NBA game" argument. You can learn English in any part of the world and he needs to learn how to play basketball period.

UneducatedFan86 · Post #43 » by **UneducatedFan86** » Wed May 6, 2015 3:06 am

skywalker33 wrote:So how loing before you guys think he becomes relevant to your team ??

Probably the year before his first major extension, and then we pay him a max deal because of his huge amount of potential.

BillyGM · Post #44 » by **BillyGM** » Wed May 6, 2015 4:42 pm

raptors2019 wrote:

Some sources say "Michael Jordan's wingspan is 6.9 feet or 2.1 meters to be exact."
Some say "Wingspan: 6-11.5"

So how in hell would it be comparable with to the sword of Cabocles?

Sheldon Cooper · Post #45 » by **Sheldon Cooper** » Wed May 6, 2015 5:05 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:With his reach, he should be able to play a little bit off his defender if in fact he does have a problem with foot speed. With his reach if he's a step away further than most SF, he should be able to recover n get a hand up.

With his reach, he should be able to stand under the basket and simultaneously defend BOTH shooters in the corners!

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #46 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Wed May 6, 2015 5:32 pm

He May never play meaningful minutes for us, but he can get us something from the top shelf and bottom cupboard at the same time. And there aren't a lot of guys that can do that.

Also, no matter where he is, he's at most only two arms away from being two arms away.

Bruno, the 20th pick of the Toronto Raptors. Jay Bilas of ESPN says, "incredible reach".

HOOOMAN · Post #47 » by **HOOOMAN** » Wed May 6, 2015 5:59 pm

he needs to play at least 10 minutes a game next year.

If we need to focus on getting better defensively...there needs to be more minutes for JJ, Bruno and Bebe(develop our promising defensive prospects) which means Lou is probably gone and hopefully we can move vasquez for a more defensive minded backup PG.

Ross is also very expendable, he has no future for this team. He is a 3+D player with terrible defensive instincts and a wildly inconsistent 3 point shot....rather have James Johnson take those minutes

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #48 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:15 pm

sympy wrote:he needs to play at least 10 minutes a game next year.

If we need to focus on getting better defensively...there needs to be more minutes for JJ, Bruno and Bebe(develop our promising defensive prospects) which means Lou is probably gone and hopefully we can move vasquez for a more defensive minded backup PG.

Ross is also very expendable, he has no future for this team. He is a 3+D player with terrible defensive instincts and a wildly inconsistent 3 point shot....rather have James Johnson take those minutes

If we get a D-league team that's where he'll be playing. And I don't want to think about what happens if he has to spend another year lie this one because we don't have a team.

Joker · Post #49 » by **Joker** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:27 pm

Reach can only compensate so far for a lack of defensive speed/quickness when guarding the perimeter. Excess reach isn't going to give a PF-quick defender the ability to guard wings, necessarily. And right now, Bruno looks like he has lanky PF-level perimeter defensive quickness, comparable to that of a younger Chris Bosh. Quick compared to most other PF's, but not wing-level quick.

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #50 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:29 pm

I think Bruno will end up at the 4 eventually, long-term.

MEDIC · Post #51 » by **MEDIC** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:36 pm

Joker wrote:Reach can only compensate so far for a lack of defensive speed/quickness when guarding the perimeter. Excess reach isn't going to give a PF-quick defender the ability to guard wings, necessarily. And right now, Bruno looks like he has lanky PF-level perimeter defensive quickness, comparable to that of a younger Chris Bosh. Quick compared to most other PF's, but not wing-level quick.

That is what I am seeing too. A quick, athletic PF that can hit the outside shot or beat you off the dribble on an iso.

I think Bruno has better handles than Bosh & probably has a higher standing reach too.

Still needs to add strength/ weight to properly play the 4 though.

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:I think Bruno will end up at the 4 eventually, long-term.

I'd be fine with them training him as a PF starting this offseason. May as well be ahead of the game. Could you imagine the quickness advantage he would have at the 4? He'd be able to guard some 3's, 4's & some 5's when needed.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #52 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:40 pm

So he's gonna go from a long 3 to an undersized 4? Where did Bruno get these handles. I moving with the ball as one of his issues. He's dribbled it off his legs a few times in his limited minutes.

MEDIC · Post #53 » by **MEDIC** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:44 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So he's gonna go from a long 3 to an undersized 4? Where did Bruno get these handles. I moving with the ball as one of his issues. He's dribbled it off his legs a few times in his limited minutes.

Since when is a guy that is 6'9" with one of the longest wingspans in the league an undersized 4? Sure, he needs to add weight....

He'd have great handles for a PF. Just gotta get him to try to settle down with the handles.......you don't need to try to cross over every time.

Joker · Post #54 » by **Joker** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:48 pm

MEDIC wrote:
Joker wrote:Reach can only compensate so far for a lack of defensive speed/quickness when guarding the perimeter. Excess reach isn't going to give a PF-quick defender the ability to guard wings, necessarily. And right now, Bruno looks like he has lanky PF-level perimeter defensive quickness, comparable to that of a younger Chris Bosh. Quick compared to most other PF's, but not wing-level quick.

That is what I am seeing too. A quick, athletic PF that can hit the outside shot or beat you off the dribble on an iso.

I think Bruno has better handles than Bosh & probably has a higher standing reach too.

Still needs to add strength/ weight to properly play the 4 though.

Though it remains to be seen whether Bruno has, or can develop, the PF mindset inside the paint - in terms of contesting shots, finishing, bodying people, rebounding, etc. I think he's always played out on the wing. And as we learned all too well with Bargnani, not only do you need the size and strength, you also need the right instincts, experience, and demeanor to play inside. So even with added weight and strength with Bruno, I'm still a bit skeptical.

Prototypical length/mass and weight room strength don't necessarily translate to on-court physicality/inside presence, if the entirety of your basketball play has been defined by finesse and wing play.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #55 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:51 pm

MEDIC wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So he's gonna go from a long 3 to an undersized 4? Where did Bruno get these handles. I moving with the ball as one of his issues. He's dribbled it off his legs a few times in his limited minutes.

Since when is a guy that is 6'9" with an insane wingspan an undersized 4? Sure, he needs to add weight....

He'd have great handles for a PF. Just gotta get him to try to settle down with the handles.......you don't need to try to cross over every time.

In the NBA 6'9 is not big for a PF, and those that are 6'9 or shorter tend to have bulk. He's got those long arns, but I just can't see him banging in the post or rebounding. I'm sure he could be plugged in as a stretch 4, or play 4 in small ball down the road. I'm just more worried at him being able to play at all.

MEDIC · Post #56 » by **MEDIC** » Wed May 6, 2015 6:56 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:So he's gonna go from a long 3 to an undersized 4? Where did Bruno get these handles. I moving with the ball as one of his issues. He's dribbled it off his legs a few times in his limited minutes.

Since when is a guy that is 6'9" with an insane wingspan an undersized 4? Sure, he needs to add weight....

He'd have great handles for a PF. Just gotta get him to try to settle down with the handles.......you don't need to try to cross over every time.

In the NBA 6'9 is not big for a PF, and those that are 6'9 or shorter tend to have bulk. He's got those long arns, but I just can't see him banging in the post or rebounding. I'm sure he could be plugged in as a stretch 4, or play 4 in small ball down the road. I'm just more worried at him being able to play at all.

I didn't say 6'9 is big. It's not small though. Probably pretty average. Bruno is basically the same height as Amir, but most likely with a longer standing reach.

It would be a long road for him to switch to playing the 4, but if he doesn't have the foot speed to play the 3 it would be better late than never.

Bosh never really had the game of a true PF, but he did alright.

Joker · Post #57 » by **Joker** » Wed May 6, 2015 7:00 pm

Bruno has basically Blake Griffin height, but with Anthony Davis wingspan (even an inch or two beyond). So the length is not an issue.

LLJ · Post #58 » by **LLJ** » Wed May 6, 2015 7:01 pm

Physically he's just great for the NBA. That's unquestionable. It's everything else that's the problem.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #59 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Wed May 6, 2015 7:05 pm

MEDIC wrote:
theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
Since when is a guy that is 6'9" with an insane wingspan an undersized 4? Sure, he needs to add weight....

He'd have great handles for a PF. Just gotta get him to try to settle down with the handles.......you don't need to try to cross over every time.

In the NBA 6'9 is not big for a PF, and those that are 6'9 or shorter tend to have bulk. He's got those long arns, but I just can't see him banging in the post or rebounding. I'm sure he could be plugged in as a stretch 4, or play 4 in small ball down the road. I'm just more worried at him being able to play at all.

I didn't say 6'9 is big. It's not small though. Probably pretty average. Bruno is basically the same height as Amir, but most likely with a longer standing reach.

It would be a long road for him to switch to playing the 4, but if he doesn't have the foot speed to play the 3 it would be better late than never.

Bosh never really had the game of a true PF, but he did alright.

Meh. It'll be a long road regardless. They should get him focused where they want him now, let him burn a year in the D league doing it.

MEDIC · Post #60 » by **MEDIC** » Wed May 6, 2015 7:10 pm

I say they play him big time minutes in SL at the 3 & have him focus specifically on defense/ staying in front of his man. If he can't stay in front of D-League SF's, then we have a problem.

If it's just not looking promising, start him at the PF position in the D-League.