Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 5

[HumbleRen]

He is not bad but we should stop comparing him to Mobley. Mobley is just in a different league. Barnes is lucky that he won the ROY over Mobley. But that does not mean he is better than Mobley.

Stfu and gtfo here, Mobley plays a different position as an undersized C playing behind another C. Barnes has more impact due to his versatility.

Nah man, it was close last year but Mobley has left Scottie in the dust.

They’re doing a better job of developing him and giving him a defined role that puts him in fantastic spots to succeed.

[TorontoBarneys]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

Yeah Scottie's potential is so clearly above his, I don't even get the comparison, lol.

[DemHeavyHands]

Does ceiling matter when he's not even improving? Same bad handles, bad shot, and even worse defense. He was getting turned and danced on by Murray. Murray spun him around like a drunk thot and I saw Barnes on his ass a few times crying about calls.

IMO, we need to bench Barnes to light a fire under his ass. He needed to get his shot at league average level yesterday, it's overdue now. So hit the bench until you can figure that out.

If he pouts it'll show his character and he can be shipped out. I don't see blue chip piece in Barnes as an asset anymore. We should strongly consider stepping in another direction and dealing him for a OG+ package if we can.

Yea, let’s trade our most valuable asset and bring back Freddy and poeltl to the max

Your FVV stanism is showing

There’s a reason literally no one shares the same opinion as you

[Scizzup]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

huh what.

Mobley is already a top 10 defender in the league and will be the best by the time he is 24. Mobley is better than Barnes at defending the perimeter. if he is also a 25 point scorer, that is easily a top 10 player in the league.

Barnes path to stardom is less realistic because he is bad at a lot of things atm.

[HumbleRen]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

huh what.

Mobley is already a top 10 defender in the league and will be the best by the time he is 24. Mobley is better than Barnes at defending the perimeter. if he is also a 25 point scorer, that is easily a top 10 player in the league.

Barnes path to stardom is less realistic because he is bad at a lot of things atm.

Mobley doesn’t even have his adult body yet lol.

He’s going to be ridiculous as he gets stronger. He’s helping anchor the best defensive team in the league on a team that has Garland, Mitchell and Levert starting, it’s just absurd lol.

[Scizzup]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

huh what.

Mobley is already a top 10 defender in the league and will be the best by the time he is 24. Mobley is better than Barnes at defending the perimeter. if he is also a 25 point scorer, that is easily a top 10 player in the league.

Barnes path to stardom is less realistic because he is bad at a lot of things atm.

Mobley doesn’t even have his adult body yet lol.

He’s going to be ridiculous as he gets stronger. He’s helping anchor the best defensive team in the league on a team that has Garland, Mitchell and Levert starting, it’s just absurd lol.

Yea, I get the concern about his shooting from people but he doesn't have to be a 1st option on offense to be star. This dude can switch onto Trae/Ja/Lavine and hold his own. He is also a decent connective player/passer, he isn't Serge with the ball lol.

[Reeko]

Scottie has been struggling since the Jak trade.

[dTox]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/4432158/evan-mobley

[ATLTimekeeper]

Scottie has been struggling since the Jak trade.

Net 11.8 on the court together. I'll take it.

[srhcan]

He is not bad but we should stop comparing him to Mobley. Mobley is just in a different league. Barnes is lucky that he won the ROY over Mobley. But that does not mean he is better than Mobley.

Mobley is in a different league? That's news to me. He's putting up nearly identical numbers to last year. Scottie has the higher ceiling, Mobley has the higher floor. But right now, they are very comparable players.

If "Mobley is in a different league" is news to you then you are slow and still living in last season when Mobley and Scottie were neck to neck. But this season Mobley sprinted ahead while Scottie slows down a lot. So now the gap between them is huge. Mobley is a better shooter, better rebounder and much much better defender. Once Mobley becomes better 3P% then he will be among top 5-10 players of NBA. Thats huge. Cavs hit a jackpot.

[OakleyDokely]

Mobley still has no offensive self creation and he's a really poor 3pt shooter. Until this changes, he's unlikely to be a star caliber player. Great defender, can perform as a dunk/lob threat at a high level though.

[Thaddy]

Does ceiling matter when he's not even improving? Same bad handles, bad shot, and even worse defense. He was getting turned and danced on by Murray. Murray spun him around like a drunk thot and I saw Barnes on his ass a few times crying about calls.

IMO, we need to bench Barnes to light a fire under his ass. He needed to get his shot at league average level yesterday, it's overdue now. So hit the bench until you can figure that out.

If he pouts it'll show his character and he can be shipped out. I don't see blue chip piece in Barnes as an asset anymore. We should strongly consider stepping in another direction and dealing him for a OG+ package if we can.

Yea, let’s trade our most valuable asset and bring back Freddy and poeltl to the max

Your FVV stanism is showing

There’s a reason literally no one shares the same opinion as you

It's called asset management. You want to let them just walk? Wait, you want to bring them back in another unbalanced lineup that shoots down their value into their new long term contracts?

The direction is to compete now and Barnes in the current state isn't helping. What has he improved on? He's the same bad player from last year that is pretending to be a guard while being a typical power forward.

[TorontoBarneys]

Does ceiling matter when he's not even improving? Same bad handles, bad shot, and even worse defense. He was getting turned and danced on by Murray. Murray spun him around like a drunk thot and I saw Barnes on his ass a few times crying about calls.

IMO, we need to bench Barnes to light a fire under his ass. He needed to get his shot at league average level yesterday, it's overdue now. So hit the bench until you can figure that out.

If he pouts it'll show his character and he can be shipped out. I don't see blue chip piece in Barnes as an asset anymore. We should strongly consider stepping in another direction and dealing him for a OG+ package if we can.

Yea, let’s trade our most valuable asset and bring back Freddy and poeltl to the max

Your FVV stanism is showing

There’s a reason literally no one shares the same opinion as you

It's called asset management. You want to let them just walk? Wait, you want to bring them back in another unbalanced lineup that shoots down their value into their new long term contracts?

The direction is to compete now and Barnes in the current state isn't helping. What has he improved on? He's the same bad player from last year that is pretending to be a guard while being a typical power forward.

We aren't even good enough to be a .500 team and you're thinking it's time to compete? Did people forget there are steps to this process?

[Thaddy]

Yea, let’s trade our most valuable asset and bring back Freddy and poeltl to the max

Your FVV stanism is showing

There’s a reason literally no one shares the same opinion as you

It's called asset management. You want to let them just walk? Wait, you want to bring them back in another unbalanced lineup that shoots down their value into their new long term contracts?

The direction is to compete now and Barnes in the current state isn't helping. What has he improved on? He's the same bad player from last year that is pretending to be a guard while being a typical power forward.

We aren't even good enough to be a .500 team and you're thinking it's time to compete? Did people forget there are steps to this process?

Everyone around the league can see we are better than our record.

In the last 10 we have gone on a tear and shown we can at least beat weaker teams. The issue is our win rate against elite teams is very disappointing. If we want to be contenders we have to win games like these, no ref excuses. The one significant disadvantage we have is a lack of three point shooting.

We can easily make the SL better by subbing Trent for Barnes. Barnes is probably the better player and could ignite the second unit to be elite. If he can figure out the shooting issue he would become a starter again. OG wants out too so there's a position available very soon

Poeltl

In terms of the center production we're getting from Poeltl we're in the top 10 maybe even 5.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting, FT%, can't be played late in games

Siakam
OG

All NBA offense and All NBA defense.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting

Trent
VanVleet

Below average backcourt but still have players with the title "steady" and a fairly young guard that's showing improvement every season.

The bench:

It's going to be looking rough but these are our development projects, including Barnes.

Koloko
Boucher
Achiuwa
Barton
Barnes

Barnes will be forced to space the floor for this line up. They will have to use transition and defense to be a positive impact team. All of these guys work on their three point shot and would get a chance to use it in real win/lose situations.

[DemHeavyHands]

It's called asset management. You want to let them just walk? Wait, you want to bring them back in another unbalanced lineup that shoots down their value into their new long term contracts?

The direction is to compete now and Barnes in the current state isn't helping. What has he improved on? He's the same bad player from last year that is pretending to be a guard while being a typical power forward.

We aren't even good enough to be a .500 team and you're thinking it's time to compete? Did people forget there are steps to this process?

Everyone around the league can see we are better than our record.

In the last 10 we have gone on a tear and shown we can at least beat weaker teams. The issue is our win rate against elite teams is very disappointing. If we want to be contenders we have to win games like these, no ref excuses. The one significant disadvantage we have is a lack of three point shooting.

We can easily make the SL better by subbing Trent for Barnes. Barnes is probably the better player and could ignite the second unit to be elite. If he can figure out the shooting issue he would become a starter again. OG wants out too so there's a position available very soon

Poeltl

In terms of the center production we're getting from Poeltl we're in the top 10 maybe even 5.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting, FT%, can't be played late in games

Siakam
OG

All NBA offense and All NBA defense.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting

Trent
VanVleet

Below average backcourt but still have players with the title "steady" and a fairly young guard that's showing improvement every season.

The bench:

It's going to be looking rough but these are our development projects, including Barnes.

Koloko
Boucher
Achiuwa
Barton
Barnes

Barnes will be forced to space the floor for this line up. They will have to use transition and defense to be a positive impact team. All of these guys work on their three point shot and would get a chance to use it in real win/lose situations.

So basically you’re ok with the treadmill, that’s all you had to say bro.

We are good enough to beat the teams with a worse record than us and not good enough to beat the better teams, got it. Let’s bring back Fred and do it for another 4 years ya??

Also you know Nick nurse doesn’t play full bench line ups, so not sure why you are trying to analyze how that line up would work when it would never see the light of day lol

[Clay Davis]

I’m not a Mobley believer. I find Mobley to be a good prospect and a decent starter but not an all star nor a leader. Just seems like a guy that will fall off the map eventually.

huh what.

Mobley is already a top 10 defender in the league and will be the best by the time he is 24. Mobley is better than Barnes at defending the perimeter. if he is also a 25 point scorer, that is easily a top 10 player in the league.

Barnes path to stardom is less realistic because he is bad at a lot of things atm.

Mobley doesn’t even have his adult body yet lol.

He’s going to be ridiculous as he gets stronger. He’s helping anchor the best defensive team in the league on a team that has Garland, Mitchell and Levert starting, it’s just absurd lol.

What's Allen's role, then?

[Thaddy]

We aren't even good enough to be a .500 team and you're thinking it's time to compete? Did people forget there are steps to this process?

Everyone around the league can see we are better than our record.

In the last 10 we have gone on a tear and shown we can at least beat weaker teams. The issue is our win rate against elite teams is very disappointing. If we want to be contenders we have to win games like these, no ref excuses. The one significant disadvantage we have is a lack of three point shooting.

We can easily make the SL better by subbing Trent for Barnes. Barnes is probably the better player and could ignite the second unit to be elite. If he can figure out the shooting issue he would become a starter again. OG wants out too so there's a position available very soon

Poeltl

In terms of the center production we're getting from Poeltl we're in the top 10 maybe even 5.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting, FT%, can't be played late in games

Siakam
OG

All NBA offense and All NBA defense.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting

Trent
VanVleet

Below average backcourt but still have players with the title "steady" and a fairly young guard that's showing improvement every season.

The bench:

It's going to be looking rough but these are our development projects, including Barnes.

Koloko
Boucher
Achiuwa
Barton
Barnes

Barnes will be forced to space the floor for this line up. They will have to use transition and defense to be a positive impact team. All of these guys work on their three point shot and would get a chance to use it in real win/lose situations.

So basically you’re ok with the treadmill, that’s all you had to say bro.

We are good enough to beat the teams with a worse record than us and not good enough to beat the better teams, got it. Let’s bring back Fred and do it for another 4 years ya??

Also you know Nick nurse doesn’t play full bench line ups, so not sure why you are trying to analyze how that line up would work when it would never see the light of day lol

If we balance our starting line up we can probably have a 500 record against elite teams. That's not a tread mill.

[TorontoBarneys]

Everyone around the league can see we are better than our record.

In the last 10 we have gone on a tear and shown we can at least beat weaker teams. The issue is our win rate against elite teams is very disappointing. If we want to be contenders we have to win games like these, no ref excuses. The one significant disadvantage we have is a lack of three point shooting.

We can easily make the SL better by subbing Trent for Barnes. Barnes is probably the better player and could ignite the second unit to be elite. If he can figure out the shooting issue he would become a starter again. OG wants out too so there's a position available very soon

Poeltl

In terms of the center production we're getting from Poeltl we're in the top 10 maybe even 5.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting, FT%, can't be played late in games

Siakam
OG

All NBA offense and All NBA defense.
Weaknesses: 3Pt shooting

Trent
VanVleet

Below average backcourt but still have players with the title "steady" and a fairly young guard that's showing improvement every season.

The bench:

It's going to be looking rough but these are our development projects, including Barnes.

Koloko
Boucher
Achiuwa
Barton
Barnes

Barnes will be forced to space the floor for this line up. They will have to use transition and defense to be a positive impact team. All of these guys work on their three point shot and would get a chance to use it in real win/lose situations.

So basically you’re ok with the treadmill, that’s all you had to say bro.

We are good enough to beat the teams with a worse record than us and not good enough to beat the better teams, got it. Let’s bring back Fred and do it for another 4 years ya??

Also you know Nick nurse doesn’t play full bench line ups, so not sure why you are trying to analyze how that line up would work when it would never see the light of day lol

If we balance our starting line up we can probably have a 500 record against elite teams. That's not a tread mill.

That's quite a leap to make considering our record against elite teams this year remains absolutely abysmal.

[WuTang_CMB]

Scottie has been struggling since the Jak trade.

The overall fit just isn't there with this team and shooting/spacing as a lot to do with it

[ATLTimekeeper]

Pascal-Scottie-OG-Fred-Trent is 114.5-112.9 for +1.6

JP-Pascal-Scottie-OG-Fred is 121-110 for +10.9