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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#521 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:34 pm

Lord_Zedd wrote:I'd easily give up our 2024 picks from Indy to get either Trey Murphy or Herb Jones.

But NOLA aren't that stupid and Matt Moore has no idea what he's writing about.


Murphy, for sure, but the Pelicans seem to prioritize signing him to a new deal. The issues is the Pelicans have a real chance of becoming a tax team even if JV comes off the cap.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#522 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:34 pm

I would probably take a run at Brown if i was Presti

they got 11, 13, and their own pick for this year's draft

what they gonna do with all of that
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#523 » by DG88 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:36 pm

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#524 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:36 pm

Brown proved to be one of the best all-around players in the league last season when he took on the responsibility of wearing multiple hats during the Denver Nuggets championship run. A 3-and-D talent on the wing who plays well above his listed 6'4″ stature may suggest that Brown is the type of player who can elevate a playoff-contending team to one that has a real shot at winning a title. The Raptors are in no position to contend for a championship right now, leading to speculation over the last couple of days that Masai Ujiri and Toronto's front office will be exploring opportunities to move Brown again.


As a result, various teams in both the Eastern and Western Conference have begun getting in touch with the Raptors to discuss Brown's future. The two teams that stand out the most as serious trade suitors are the New York Knicks and Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told ClutchPoints.

It should come as no shock to see the Knicks interested in Brown. The 27-year-old is a utility player who can fill many gaps for head coach Tom Thibodeau and his approach on the defensive side of the court. Not to mention, Brown is a lot like Josh Hart in the sense that he can play multiple positions, making the most of his opportunities by playing off the star players on his roster.

The current Raptors swingman is also a CAA (Creative Artists Agency) client. Why is this notable you may ask? Starting center Isaiah Hartenstein, potential first-time All-Star Jalen Brunson, and Hart are all represented by CAA as well. Knicks team president, Leon Rose, also has a long history and lineage with the agency, which is one of the main reasons why New York was so heavily connected to Brunson when he was a free agent in 2022. The Knicks' interest in Brown runs deeper than his availability in trade talks this season.


Knicks have options outside of Bruce Brown
Knicks' Leon Rose with Quentin Grimes and Evan Fournier. Dejounte Murray and Bruce Brown on the right


When Brown was a free agent this past offseason, the Knicks pursued the former second-round pick, sources said. Although they could only offer the mid-level exception to Brown, there was mutual interest between the two sides. Ultimately the Pacers were the winners in this sweepstakes, securing Brown on a two-year, $45 million contract, more than virtually every other team interested in his service could offer him.

The Knicks, who already added OG Anunoby at the end of December, are continuing to search for ways to add more talent. Since adding Anunoby, New York has gone 9-2, putting themselves in a position to once again contend for home-court advantage in a first-round playoff series. But the Knicks' intentions run deeper than simply hosting a first-round series. The organization sees a clear opportunity to climb to the very top of the Eastern Conference. This is the main reason why the Knicks are interested in moving former first-round pick Quentin Grimes.


Grimes, who has seen his production and minutes decline, is on the trade block and likely to see a change in scenery before the trade deadline on February 8. However, the Knicks are not interested in just dealing the 23-year-old to the highest bidder. New York has actively been making calls and gauging the market for a trade package that consists of Grimes, veteran Evan Fournier's expiring contract, and draft picks, league sources told ClutchPoints. Along with being in contact with the Raptors regarding Brown, sources said the Knicks have also held conversations focused on former All-Star guard Dejounte Murray with the Atlanta Hawks.

This trade deadline provides the Knicks with various options in terms of improving their roster. Murray and veteran big man Clint Capela are options from the Hawks, but there is a sense that the team would prefer to send Grimes to a Western Conference team. Could this lead the Knicks to pursue a player like Jordan Clarkson from the Utah Jazz, a proven talent who is capable of carrying the offensive load for his team off the bench? It is worth mentioning that the Denver Nuggets are a team that has quietly shown interest in Grimes, sources said, although they don't appear to be engaged in any meaningful trade talks at this time.


The Knicks have options and can continue their pursuit of Murray from the Hawks over Brown, should they choose to do so. For Murray, the Knicks held conversations centered on Grimes, Fournier, and one of their many first-round picks over the course of the next couple of drafts. New York has also shown a willingness to trade multiple second-round picks, sources said. The Hawks, who are interested in trading Murray, are said to want at least one first-round pick, as well as a future pick swap, sources said. On the other side of things, the Raptors are looking for as much value as possible in the form of at least one unprotected first-round pick for Brown.

Between pursuing Brown and Murray, the Knicks have various paths presenting themselves ahead of the trade deadline. Brown remains high on their radar with just about two weeks until the deadline.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#525 » by dagger » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:36 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:I would probably take a run at Brown if i was Presti

they got 11, 13, and their own pick for this year's draft

what they gonna do with all of that
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#526 » by WuTang_CMB » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:40 pm

Despite various teams, including the Lakers and Knicks, reaching out to inquire about Brown's availability, the Raptors front office does like the veteran being a leading voice for their now young roster. Whether or not Brown is dealt ahead of the trade deadline comes down to Toronto's willingness to give him up. Various playoff teams have registered interest in him, but the Raptors don't necessarily have to trade Brown if they believe there is a better deal to be had in the offseason. The Raptors maintain rights to his deal and could always flip a contract like this in the offseason when teams have a little bit more financial flexibility.


Toronto is currently operating with the mindset that Brown can still be of value to them for the rest of the season and not just a player they need to find a way to move on from at the trade deadline.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#528 » by djsunyc » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:02 pm

seems like this and the trade deadline thread could be merged :) same tweets are now being posted in both places!
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#530 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:08 pm

Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#531 » by MiamiSPX » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:08 pm

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Despite various teams, including the Lakers and Knicks, reaching out to inquire about Brown's availability, the Raptors front office does like the veteran being a leading voice for their now young roster. Whether or not Brown is dealt ahead of the trade deadline comes down to Toronto's willingness to give him up. Various playoff teams have registered interest in him, but the Raptors don't necessarily have to trade Brown if they believe there is a better deal to be had in the offseason. The Raptors maintain rights to his deal and could always flip a contract like this in the offseason when teams have a little bit more financial flexibility.


Toronto is currently operating with the mindset that Brown can still be of value to them for the rest of the season and not just a player they need to find a way to move on from at the trade deadline.


I call BS on that. Negotiating ploy from Masai.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#532 » by Rapsfan07 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:09 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Despite various teams, including the Lakers and Knicks, reaching out to inquire about Brown's availability, the Raptors front office does like the veteran being a leading voice for their now young roster. Whether or not Brown is dealt ahead of the trade deadline comes down to Toronto's willingness to give him up. Various playoff teams have registered interest in him, but the Raptors don't necessarily have to trade Brown if they believe there is a better deal to be had in the offseason. The Raptors maintain rights to his deal and could always flip a contract like this in the offseason when teams have a little bit more financial flexibility.


Toronto is currently operating with the mindset that Brown can still be of value to them for the rest of the season and not just a player they need to find a way to move on from at the trade deadline.


Really hope this rhetoric is to drum up more offers.

We have no use long term for a guy like Bruce Brown. I like everything that he brings and if we were on pace to be a playoff team, I might understand a little more. But as of right now, we'd be making the same mistake we did with Pascal.

The guy has value now, with 1.5 years left on his deal. At the draft or during the summer, he's going to be an expiring deal and you'll probably get less. Not to mention, it seems based on the rumours so far that the Knicks have the best potential package for Brown. If you wait too long and they pivot to Murray (which I would have done a long time ago if I were them) or Clarkson, we may have to settle for an inferior package from another team.

Unless there are plans to use Brown's contract to acquire a guy like Jones, Murphy or Williams (shooting SF, low usage, POA defender) if Knicks are offering even a protected FRP (their own or the Dallas one), plus Grimes and Fournier for Brown, I'm afraid it's a move we absolutely need to make.

Then we can shift our focus to shipping out Trent.
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#533 » by Bruin » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:11 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.

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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#534 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:12 pm

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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#535 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:13 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.


I wouldn't give up a 1st for him either, I wouldn't give up Brown & a 1st for Murphy either.

Getting Herb Jones for Murphy would be a win for us this, no need to attach a pick tho, we should probably get some draft capital
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#536 » by DreamTeam09 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:14 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:
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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


I like Jovic, I'd rather him over the 2027 1st. A Jakob Jovic C rotation is cool
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#537 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:15 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:
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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


Duncan is untouchable....Didn't you know that? No one getting Duncan :lol:
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#538 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:17 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:
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Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


Duncan is untouchable....Didn't you know that? No one getting Duncan :lol:


Realistically though it's hard to match salaries otherwise
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#539 » by TorontoRapsFan » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:20 pm

Bruin wrote:
TorontoRapsFan wrote:Can we not hype up a 25yr old whose per 36 is 13pts and 4.5 rbs with close to 4fpg? Who the f is Herb Jones to get a 1st rnd in return.

Just rename your account to CasualFan


Well, since you say so
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Re: What to do with Bruce Brown 

Post#540 » by Clutch0z24 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:22 pm

TorontoRapsFan wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:
TorontoRapsFan wrote:
Duncan Robinson and Jovic or 2027 1st? How would you all feel about that?


Duncan is untouchable....Didn't you know that? No one getting Duncan :lol:


Realistically though it's hard to match salaries otherwise


Yep thats why i think this deal is dead imo...We don't get Duncan + Jovic + a pick from Miami for Brown....Miami are stubborn but yeah i think thats the only realistic way to make the trade happen but idk if Miami would do it.
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