Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread

[Indeed]

jesus christ, have u guys seen ayton without Paul? This guy is garbage and he's being paid 30+mill/year

We dont need an expensive C. Just pay significantly less for a guy like Poeltl, both from an asset POV and salary

I think a Kelly Olynyk type of shooting C fits better

We need shooting from C until Barnes becomes better, where he showed improve from last year. But I think we need a rim protector as well, even Barnes improved enough on defense.

[LoveMyRaps]

If the FO lets go of Trent, they're gonna keep Fred for the long term.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

All I want is for them to choose a direction, so this is great news that the one piece of information that seems clear is they're wanting to do something. It seems like they're in the 'information gathering' portion of their deadline prep - who is available, for what price - and they're putting out feelers all around the league to find out.

Ultimately, I trust that they'll value the right pieces and choose the pathway that maximizes our ability to be competitive in 3-5 years, whether that's via the draft or incremental building.

Interesting to note, we've heard several leaks about win-now pieces, but very little about young players we want for a retool. Not sure what to make of that.

[Indeed]

Is Jake Fisher even all that reliable?

He's in the same tier as Marc Stein and David Aldridge in terms of credibility.

Woj and Shams are at the top of course.

He was wrong on a couple of things, such as us trading away Siakam, Anunoby, etc.

People tend to forget the wrong ones, but remember the right one only.

[Raptaurus]

Yep.

And if Gary has made it clear he's going to walk... then... yeah, you gotta.

plus out of all the guys on the roster, you could probably replace his production/skillset "easier" than the rest since its mainly shooting. Not sure we would pay all that money for that.

Unfortunately, Gary is our best shooter. Trading him or letting him walk will likely make our shooting/spacing worse in the short term.

[traps#10]

Turner is the better fit compared to Ayton. If we trade FVV and GTJ, we need shooting at the C spot.

[goinrogue]

If the FO lets go of Trent, they're gonna keep Fred for the long term.

It seems like it but for the life of me I just don’t understand their attachment to him. He’s the second worst shooter in the NBA this season, he’s really small and he wants a lot of money apparently. I just don’t get it.

[anotherhomer]

If the FO lets go of Trent, they're gonna keep Fred for the long term.

It seems like it but for the life of me I just don’t understand their attachment to him. He’s the second worst shooter in the NBA this season, he’s really small and he wants a lot of money apparently. I just don’t get it.

i don't either....i guess they feel confident that once Koloko grows into his role, he can anchor the defense better to cover FVV's weaknesses.
And that FVV will bounce back....

i think it comes down to salary...maybe other teams like Suns and Magic are really high on FVV.

[douggood]

Is Jake Fisher even all that reliable?

He's in the same tier as Marc Stein and David Aldridge in terms of credibility.

Woj and Shams are at the top of course.

He was wrong on a couple of things, such as us trading away Siakam, Anunoby, etc.

People tend to forget the wrong ones, but remember the right one only.

woj basically reports finalized deals only, and the occasional bombshell which is planted by agents.

shams same but he also reports "rumors"

someone like chris haynes is in beds with certain agents and dame lillard

rest of the people are just "rumors"

[traps#10]

Biggest mistake would be paying FVV what he thinks he’s worth. This would handicap the team for years and we would officially be a treadmill team till Scottie comes into his prime which isn’t ideal.

[Indeed]

Read on Twitter

I hate Turner but love him at the same time.

I think the best possible roster construction is the 6'9" thing outside of one 3-point shooting center and a shot creating guard who is like 6'4 or 6'5. So Adding Turner would be one step in the right direction.

Wonder if we could do a GTJ for Turner type deal, and then move FVV for some guard depth?

I hope he costs less than Trent.

As for moving VanVleet from a guard to another guard, it feels we are just trying to avoid paying players. I think if VanVleet isn't demand that much, we may stick with him, and draft a playmaker for guard depth.

[arbsn]

Cole Anthony seems like a good buy low candidate. Having a bad year... Younger than FVV... They have suggs, fultz and hampton who are all kinda PGs

Something around GTJr for him could be beneficial for both teams?

GT Jr for Anthony and Terrence Ross (or Gary Harris)?

[Indeed]

If the FO lets go of Trent, they're gonna keep Fred for the long term.

It seems like it but for the life of me I just don’t understand their attachment to him. He’s the second worst shooter in the NBA this season, he’s really small and he wants a lot of money apparently. I just don’t get it.

i don't either....i guess they feel confident that once Koloko grows into his role, he can anchor the defense better to cover FVV's weaknesses.
And that FVV will bounce back....

i think it comes down to salary...maybe other teams like Suns and Magic are really high on FVV.

The problem with Koloko is his offense, and may take 3 years to develop.

I think it makes sense if we trade for Turner and pay him for his prime, then we review Koloko until Turner is in his final year.

With Turner getting paid, and next with Siakam and OG, salary for VanVleet would be critical. I think we will do the same for VanVleet like how we handle Lowry, we will try to get assets in a sign and trade even we cannot afford him.

[DelAbbot]

Gary is as good as gone.

Yep.

Source ?

[WuTang_CMB]

And if Gary has made it clear he's going to walk... then... yeah, you gotta.

plus out of all the guys on the roster, you could probably replace his production/skillset "easier" than the rest since its mainly shooting. Not sure we would pay all that money for that.

Unfortunately, Gary is our best shooter. Trading him or letting him walk will likely make our shooting/spacing worse in the short term.

Yep. But you can replace that easier than OG say.

[InfraRedshaw]

plus out of all the guys on the roster, you could probably replace his production/skillset "easier" than the rest since its mainly shooting. Not sure we would pay all that money for that.

Unfortunately, Gary is our best shooter. Trading him or letting him walk will likely make our shooting/spacing worse in the short term.

Yep. But you can replace that easier than OG say.

I kinda feel like FVV would be easier to replace than GTJ myself (just given the ages)

Young scorers are sought after

[PhilBlackson]

Although I think it's such a waste of time trading for any improvements this season but especially for 2 guys (Turner or Poeltl) that can be had in the off-season. But absolutely no scenario should we ever consider trading our frp without HEAVY protection (top 20 then convert to 2 srps) for Poeltl.

Even for Turner, I wouldn't like it but at least he actually does what's needed at the position which is to spread the floor as a perimeter threat to allow of Pascal, Scottie & OG to play to their strengths which is around the basket AND is actually big enough to defend Giannis, Embiid etc. Yak just shrinks the court even more where our halfcourt offence would be absolutely painful to watch come Playoffs and he's NOT actually big enough to handle the giants in the East, although a very slight upgrade over Precious.

Ayton, I don't love it but could live with it because the offensive upside is there but his usage would need to go up in order for him to be worth his payday. Overall of any of the Cs, I'd probably prefer Turner just as a fit & I don't think he'll cost quite as much as Ayton but who knows. They just better heavily protect our FRP or this was such a stupid Colangelo like move.

[Indeed]

Unfortunately, Gary is our best shooter. Trading him or letting him walk will likely make our shooting/spacing worse in the short term.

Yep. But you can replace that easier than OG say.

I kinda feel like FVV would be easier to replace than GTJ myself (just given the ages)

Young scorers are sought after

VanVleet has a cross over that allows him to drive past some match up. Trent can shoot in tight space against some match up. If both are equal, I have VanVleet higher due to additional passing and help defense on steals (without fouling, as Trent are fouling). VanVleet is harder to replace for help defense and shooting to me.

[PhilBlackson]

VV to NO for D. Daniels, D Graham, J Hayes
GTJ to MEM for J LaRavia, D Green, 1st Rnd Pick

I'd love the NOP trade but I'd try to get Ziarie Williams instead of LaRavia from MEM and I'd be all over that as well.

I would want Suggs and Bamba at least if we are trading FVV to the Magic.

Magic has a bunch of PGs in Fultz, Suggs, Anthony. I can see them trade Suggs to raptors

Fultz
FVV
Banchero
Wagner
2023 draft/Bol Bol

The only thing I'd be after is asking them for whichever pick is worse out of theirs or CHI's vs hope that we can turn around a couple of underwhelming prospects.

[InfraRedshaw]

Yep. But you can replace that easier than OG say.

I kinda feel like FVV would be easier to replace than GTJ myself (just given the ages)

Young scorers are sought after

VanVleet has a cross over that allows him to drive past some match up. Trent can shoot in tight space against some match up. If both are equal, I have VanVleet higher due to additional passing and help defense on steals (without fouling, as Trent are fouling). VanVleet is harder to replace for help defense and shooting to me.

The thing is they aren't equal though, and one is 5 years younger than the other