Is Kyle Lowry the worst starting PG in the NBA?

[Rapcity_11]

So basketball-reference uses individual ratings while nba.com uses team ratings for individuals?

Yup. Although bball-ref usually has both stats.

[Basketball_Jones]

He ain't bad. Starting to make his teammates better. He isn't much of a scorer, but if he can continue to pass and run the team while knocking down 3's at a good clip he might be worth resigning at a reasonable contract. I can't imagine he'd demand much money with the numbers he's putting up, so him dialling his game back might have been a bit of a blessing.

[Scraptor]

I have nothing but praise for Kyle Lowry.

The guy is in better shape.
He has adapted his game and done what the coaches want.
He hasn't complained.
He is playing injured.
He has shown no signs of playing heroball for a contract despite being in a contract year.

So to start with, he's been a real pro.

In terms of his skills, I find his D refreshing and better than a lot of other pgs, while his O is being stifled by Caseyball. He could be a more effective weapon under any number of other coaches. In my opinion, he's a top 15 point guard.

But the grass is always greener on the other side.

[iBall101]

LOL NO! this takes the cake as the funniest thread I've seen in a while.. I don't know what league your watchin

[Rapsalot]

About 20th

[dballislife]

17-23 area...lowry is a decent PG that can help a team, but the production at the position is just so dynamic right now...he'll get outplayed most nights for sure

[SkywalkerAC]

The real question should be whether there's a worse #2 than Mr. Buycks. Peeeee ew. 42 TS%, .6 assists in over 11 minutes, 86 Ortg, and he just can't get his game off. I was right to be worried about that fading mess he calls a 3-point shot. Augustine isn't much better. If Lowry had a decent backup we'd be sitting pretty at the 1; if Lowry's hand had forced him to sit, the tank would be in full effect.

[Kabookalu]

He's been better than Deron Williams, and that says more about him than it does of Lowry. Deron has been trash all season long. I know he was injured before the season and he's injured now, but still, he's been horrible so far.

[Jakay]

What a Toronto thread...

[Darknemo2000]

Problem is with abuse of ISO's o our team. Lowry is at his best when he is allowed to attack the rim but we already have Rudy and DD for that and Lowry is forced to become a poor Calderon imitation when it isnt his game.

He would look much better if we only have one of either DD or Gay or none at all.

[TdotRap4Lyfe]

Lowry is probably more than likely near the middle on talent alone. My personal favorite Starting PGs are MCW and "Super" Mario Chalmers.

[Anatomize]

The question is whether he can play motivated or not. Lowry has had big games against Houston, Memphis, and Philadelphia. He needs to bring that kind of aggressive two way play every night, and we would be a far more serious team.

Lowry is the xfactor, when he creates turnovers - we subsequently get out and run (our strength), when he penetrates like he did in Philly - you see the types of open looks he can generate off drive and kick, and he needs to stay aggressive on his catch and shoot 3 because he has a pretty stroke.

To be frank, this team goes as he goes, he needs to stay away from over dribbling, but he also has to keep
DeRozan and Gay from falling into Iso heavy long two patterns.

That being said, our resurgence as of late has a lot to do with him showing old form.

[IMAN5]

J. Teague - about even
R. Rondo - worse
D. William - worse (even tho he's overrated)
K. Walker -about even but kemba has more upside
D. Rose - at this exact moment obviously lowry is better
K. Irving - worse
J. Calderon - debatable but I go with lowry
T. Lawson - worse (even tho also not huge on lawson)
B. Jennings - slightly worse, many will argue this
S. Curry - worse
P. Beverley - better
G. Hill - slightly worse
C. Paul - obviously worse
S. Blake - better but blake is decent
M. Conley - worse, very underrated player
M. Chalmers - better slightly, but not as much as many think. also think chalmers isn't appreciated
L. Ridnour - better
R. Rubio - worse
J. Holiday - worse
R. Felton - lmao better, coming from a knicks fan I laughed at this. felton is hot garbage
R. Westbrook - worse
J. Nelson - better
M. Carter-Williams - better, don't let rookie hot moments confuse you with veteran leadership and experience
E. Bledsoe - even, both have different pros and cons. i'd take bledsoe though
D. Lillard - worse
G. Vasquez - better
T. Parker - worse
J. Lucas III - lmao way better
J. Wall - worse

[Patman]

I have nothing but praise for Kyle Lowry.

The guy is in better shape.
He has adapted his game and done what the coaches want.
He hasn't complained.
He is playing injured.
He has shown no signs of playing heroball for a contract despite being in a contract year.

So to start with, he's been a real pro.

In terms of his skills, I find his D refreshing and better than a lot of other pgs, while his O is being stifled by Caseyball. He could be a more effective weapon under any number of other coaches. In my opinion, he's a top 15 point guard.

But the grass is always greener on the other side.

I thought his D was better last year. He's getting beat more this year, and also gambling more for steals. Those two things are likely related. Otherwise, he's been solid, not spectacular.

[pkiskool]

i had a interesting conversation with a guy on xbox live . We started talking ball and he said something that really got me thinking. He said Kyle Lowry might be the worst starting PG in the NBA and me beeing a raptors fan i started to defend Kyle without even thinking.

J. Teague
R. Rondo
D. William
K. Walker
D. Rose
K. Irving
J. Calderon
T. Lawson
B. Jennings
S. Curry
P. Beverley
G. Hill
C. Paul
S. Blake
M. Conley
M. Chalmers
L. Ridnour
R. Rubio
J. Holiday
R. Felton
R. Westbrook
J. Nelson
M. Carter-Williams
E. Bledsoe
D. Lillard
G. Vasquez
T. Parker
J. Lucas III
J. Wall


Kyle Lowry is better then 5-6 players from the list above. I really liked the trade we did to get Lowry but now that hes on our team i only see him as a three pointer shooter who cant run a pick and roll or shoot mid range shots. This is a contract year for him and he hasn't shown me the ability to score the ball effectively .PLUS i question his leadership abilities he always screams at Jonas lol

I'd say he is only better than the Turd and maybe Ridnour.
He is on par with Felton and Nelson.
Everyone else is better than him, including Steve Blake and Jose.

[LLJ]

We wouldn't really be 6-7 without him. He's shooting like crap (as with every other Raptor) but he's the first line of disruption on D, and despite his gambling he generally does a decent job of messing up the opposition's initial sets.

[tsherkin]

FWIW, Lowry's posting a 116 ORTG because of his offensive rebounding, reasonable AST:TOV ratio and the fact that he's cramming in 37.5% from 3 on 5.5 3PA/g, which is actually pretty good. He's blown terribly from inside of the arc, 39.7% 2FG, but he's also still acceptable at drawing fouls (.319 FTR).

If he could finish in and around the key, we'd be laughing. And if he learned how to use screens.

But yeah, he's born the brunt of some largely overzealous criticism. He has played poorly in some respects, but we've got far bigger problems.

[Gang of Four]

Calderon is the worst. So Lowry is second-worst.

[Rapcity_11]

FWIW, Lowry's posting a 116 ORTG because of his offensive rebounding, reasonable AST:TOV ratio and the fact that he's cramming in 37.5% from 3 on 5.5 3PA/g, which is actually pretty good. He's blown terribly from inside of the arc, 39.7% 2FG, but he's also still acceptable at drawing fouls (.319 FTR).

If he could finish in and around the key, we'd be laughing. And if he learned how to use screens.

But yeah, he's born the brunt of some largely overzealous criticism. He has played poorly in some respects, but we've got far bigger problems.

I actually think he’s decent at using screens in order to get into the lane. The bigger problem is that he has no mid or short range J around the key area and has limited ability to keep his dribble alive in the lane ala Nash/Paul or even a Conley. He also has a habit of crossing over back into the middle directly in front of where the big man who set the screen would be rolling.

[cdel00]

Charges drawn are very important.
KL is really solid at it.