Suggs or Mobley?

Post #61 » by **niQ** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:21 pm

It'll be whoever falls to us. Either one will be a star in Toronto.

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ItsDanger · Post #62 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:37 pm

I like both players but Mobley is a better fit for us. Going to take 1 season at least to see impact on wins. I just view Suggs as more of a PG. We ideally need a versatile SG.

Hero_Panda · Post #63 » by **Hero_Panda** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:40 pm

Player who is available at #4 > Player who is taken before #4.

Basketball_Jones · Post #64 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:48 pm

Mobley is impressive, but he’s definitely a Center and moves like one. While it looks like he can stay on the floor defensively and offensively for small ball lineups, it is something to consider. We’ll be investing a lot with a more traditional type of player.

aligator · Post #65 » by **aligator** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:46 pm

Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

plainballing · Post #66 » by **plainballing** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:47 pm

Long term wise Mobley prob the better fit but I think Suggs is prob the best for now.

Tor_Raps · Post #67 » by **Tor_Raps** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:47 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Mobley is impressive, but he’s definitely a Center and moves like one. While it looks like he can stay on the floor defensively and offensively for small ball lineups, it is something to consider. We’ll be investing a lot with a more traditional type of player.

Last year should have been an example that you still need a center to be good. Small ball only works if you have elite players to make up for it or someone like Draymond Green who can still hold it down inside. We have neither of those so we better get a serious upgrade at Center, whether it's Mobley or via free agency/trade.

Raps in 4 · Post #68 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Mobley is the better prospect. His combination of size, IQ, and skill is crazy. He's the second best prospect in the draft IMO.

vulture · Post #69 » by **vulture** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:50 pm

Suggs is the better prospect imo and he's the second best prospect behind Cade.

Raps in 4 · Post #70 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:51 pm

aligator wrote:Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

Mobley is a prototypical Masai player. I bet he's at the top of our draft board. Masai has reiterated time and time again how much he values size and skill. Someone posted the quotes in one of the draft threads.

Yallbecrazy · Post #71 » by **Yallbecrazy** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:00 pm

Mobley is my #1 prospect by far in this draft.

Suggs is my #3

Neither Cade or Green are in my top 4, would be delighted if they went #1 and #2.

SunBoy · Post #72 » by **SunBoy** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:38 pm

I know this is a simplistic way of looking at overall impact but I really do think if we look at successful playoff teams in the modern era of ball, guard play is the x-factor that raises the ceiling of contenders. Giannis being the exception if he wills the bucks to a chip' here but there haven't been #1 c's as the key driver in a championship finals since Dirk in 2011 and we can all agree he's a bit of a unicorn. Even with the dominance of guys like AD, Embiid and Jokic - none of them have been able to reach the finals vs elite guard play.

I love the clutch, leadership factor Suggs brings to the table and I just think at the end of the day it raises our ceiling as a squad. SO, happy for both, but give me Suggs in a vacuum.

Mister Ze · Post #73 » by **Mister Ze** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:44 pm

the fact that Sexton has become available could imply the Cavs are targeting Suggs.

I thought they’d take Mobley or Green for sure but now I don’t know.

Badonkadonk · Post #74 » by **Badonkadonk** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:Mobley is my #1 prospect by far in this draft.

Suggs is my #3

Neither Cade or Green are in my top 4, would be delighted if they went #1 and #2.

Interesting to see this take, and while I'm not as much of an outlier, I do agree that Cade isn't a lock to be the best player out of this draft when you project out several years.

I think there's a lot of intentional misinformation being put out (smokescreens!). When I look at the original Cade vs. Suggs arguments that were made at the beginning of the NCAA season, and then the Cade vs. Mobley debates that became more popular around February, I don't think much has changed. All of the same strengths and weaknesses still exist for each guy.

Who do you like 2nd best in the draft?

Parataxis · Post #75 » by **Parataxis** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:01 pm

aligator wrote:Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

Why do you think that?

Clay Davis · Post #76 » by **Clay Davis** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:18 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:Mobley is the better prospect. His combination of size, IQ, and skill is crazy. He's the second best prospect in the draft IMO.

vulture wrote:Suggs is the better prospect imo and he's the second best prospect behind Cade.

The duality...

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aligator · Post #77 » by **aligator** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:28 pm

Parataxis wrote:
aligator wrote:Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

Why do you think that?

Because I don't think Mobley is a good fit for the Raps style of play or a fit for their timeline.

Raps in 4 · Post #78 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:52 pm

aligator wrote:
Parataxis wrote:
aligator wrote:Raps will take Suggs if he is there. If Mobley available at 4, Raps will trade down.

Why do you think that?

Because I don't think Mobley is a good fit for the Raps style of play or a fit for their timeline.

He's a smart, defensive-minded big. He fits our style of play to a tee. He's basically a leaner Gasol.

I agree that the timeline isn't ideal though. He'll likely need 2-3 years to hit his stride, by which time Pascal and Fred will be ~30.

EH15 · Post #79 » by **EH15** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:58 pm

If anything Suggs is Masai's prototype. Defensive, high character, hard working.

Raps in 4 · Post #80 » by **Raps in 4** » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:03 pm

EH15 wrote:If anything Suggs is Masai's prototype. Defensive, high character, hard working.

They both are, but he's always shown a preference for bigs which is where I think Mobley has the edge with Masai.