Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[HumbleRen]

For the ones that hate this trade

This is the reason why.

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That was a playoff series in NOP when he is 24 or 25, right?

He rushed back from injury to play in that series too because Zion got hurt in the play in.

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If we’re cherry picking, I rather use a slightly bigger sample size of a series lol.

[ArthurVandelay]

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

RJ going to make a killer 6th man

Yeah, I think one of the two will play the bulk of his minutes with the bench. Not sure either comes off the bench but one of them sits early first quarters next year, instead of Barnes.

Maybe.

I think Darko planted the seed last year when he talked about RJ's fav player being Manu.

RJ's biggest issue is defense imo. Playing the 6th man role will make that less of an issue and if he is having one of his "on" nights, he can end the game.

[original fan]

There is a ton of downside to this deal in the form of BI asking for ~$50M+ since BI camp has all the leverage (and we balk, goes south and accepts less). Or we give in and give him the big money.

I would have done the deal for a 2nd only, so I could walk away ‘easily’ from BI if the talks were not in line. NOP wanted to move him, and we blinked a bit at the end.

They must have had talks with BI camp about salary commitment before the trade took place and feel comfortable about it.
One of IQ or RJ will still need to go depending on who we pick in the draft soon. As for now, sit BI and others out the rest of the year to get into top 5 in the draft. Prolly make a small trade with NY to round the roster for example Boucher plus PDX 2ND for Robinson and a FRP.

Say it louder.

“They musta had talks with BI camp right?!?!?”

Think BI/agent is going to give away all their leverage to a team in the great white north after a 2min conversation?

It’s more likely that BI/agent thinking “well $55M is back on the table now, I mean they already in for a first too”

Talks have been ongoing for a few days now, I am pretty sure they have had contacts and feel comfortable with the number floating around, what that is and if its worth it, I can't answer that you right now.

[PhilBlackson]

My only slight grip is I wish we could’ve put some top 8-10 protection on the IND pick but overall I think it was a fair price and glad we retained the POR 25’.

When some y’all see Ingram ball you’re gonna see how dumb it was to compare his game to Pascal or RJ who are far more about getting downhill vs actual iso ability that BI has.

[Johnny Bball]

Funny how 1 year ago it was Masai is washed because he traded Siakam for such a bad return. Should have traded him earlier for Bufkin and Griffin some said.

Now he turned that bad return into a 22 point scorer, built up Ochai, and Walter for youth...plus grabbed Davion+Shead with the TPE from Siakam.

And people are still complaining that this deal is a fireable offense? Complete lunacy.

Yet people love the implausible and fictional movie Draft Day for the same reason and hate this.

[shmoosicle]

I'm just not sure BI is that good and now you're tying up even more money. I guess I would rate this trade a C+

[causal_fan]

Now that Butler has signed an extension, Ingram may be the top Free Agent in the market and will have suitors so the Raptors will have to pay up and I have always felt that Masai is too generous with contracts - I expect Ingram to get at least the 3/144, which is 48M per or more and the Raptors could well be a non-contending tax team. Also, why did the Raptors not bargain for giving the Pelicans the worst of the 2026 picks rather than the Pacers pick outright - While the Pacers are expected to be better team, what if the Pacers get hit by injuries (Sixers, Pelicans this year) and have a lost season, the Pelicans may end up with a better pick than the Raptors. Add in Ingram's injury history and it's a thumbs down trade for me.

[GIZMO]

Have you been watching this season? Patience has been tested.

I don't understand how anyone could want to suffer a season like this for multiple seasons in a row. Retool, not rebuild. Can you imagine being a Hornets fan? How long has it taken for the Pistons to finally show signs of life? You'd have a hard time convincing me that the Pistons have achieved anything beyond treadmill status.

I’ve been watching this team since it’s inception so I have watched my share of bad teams. I liked the play of the young guys this year and seeing them develop!
Trading away yet another first reeks of desperation.

This trade may seem good value, but as duke said as soon as BI is extended he is a bad contract.

I disagree. BI signing a contract extension doesn't automatically make it a bad contract. We'll have to wait and see what the terms are, but I think anyone saying one way or the other is getting ahead of themselves. The free agency buyers market is limited, therefore, negotiations should be fair and possibly sided towards the team.

Funny, because I would have thought that anyone that was here for the inception of the Raptors would not a repeat of what we suffered and know situations like OKC are not the norm.

I loved watching young players like the young gunz, Vince, Tmac, CB4 , Pascal OG and FVV develop! I like cheering for the young guys to develop knowing they all wont make it, and Masai hits on most of his drafts lol

[Pointgod]

Poeltl trade part 2, Electric Bugaloo….

[TheMainEvent]

On its own I really like the trade, Ingram's cool

I haven't watched BI much in recent seasons but uh, aren't he, RJ and Scottie kinda redundant? Not the same players exactly but all 3 are better scorers driving in and finishing around the paint/midrange. I guess he and RJ are decent 3pt shooters...

Don't get the fit contractually either. BI, RJ, IQ, and Scottie is gonna be an overpaid foursome

Kinda feels like it's more logical to let one go. RJ's been a good fit tho and I don't know who'd take IQ's contract esp after this injury-plagued season

[Johnny Bball]

Now that Butler has signed an extension, Ingram may be the top Free Agent in the market and will have suitors so the Raptors will have to pay up and I have always felt that Masai is too generous with contracts - I expect Ingram to get at least the 3/144, which is 48M per or more and the Raptors could well be a non-contending tax team. Also, why did the Raptors not bargain for giving the Pelicans the worst of the 2026 picks rather than the Pacers pick outright - While the Pacers are expected to be better team, what if the Pacers get hit by injuries (Sixers, Pelicans this year) and have a lost season, the Pelicans may end up with a better pick than the Raptors. Add in Ingram's injury history and it's a thumbs down trade for me.

To keep control of their pick for the same reason? And to be able to make trades by keeping their own pick instead?

[mtcan]

Now that Butler has signed an extension, Ingram may be the top Free Agent in the market and will have suitors so the Raptors will have to pay up and I have always felt that Masai is too generous with contracts - I expect Ingram to get at least the 3/144, which is 48M per or more and the Raptors could well be a non-contending tax team. Also, why did the Raptors not bargain for giving the Pelicans the worst of the 2026 picks rather than the Pacers pick outright - While the Pacers are expected to be better team, what if the Pacers get hit by injuries (Sixers, Pelicans this year) and have a lost season, the Pelicans may end up with a better pick than the Raptors. Add in Ingram's injury history and it's a thumbs down trade for me.

There is no market for BI as a free agent. Brooklyn has cap space but really...**** Brooklyn. BI wants to be in Toronto as he has been on record saying that Toronto's one of the best NBA cities...and the initial rumour was that he wants to team up with Scottie...let's just say that we aren't putting up a first round pick and a second round pick unless we know he is willing to sign a contract extension.

[dTox]

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And this on a team that has Scottie, RJ, and Poetl in the lineup.

[Boogie!]

RJ going to make a killer 6th man

Yeah, I think one of the two will play the bulk of his minutes with the bench. Not sure either comes off the bench but one of them sits early first quarters next year, instead of Barnes.

Maybe.

I think Darko planted the seed last year when he talked about RJ's fav player being Manu.

RJ's biggest issue is defense imo. Playing the 6th man role will make that less of an issue and if he is having one of his "on" nights, he can end the game.

I’m not sure why people keep talking about Rj being a sixth man when we have gradey dick **** starting

[agkagk]

To those complaining about the anti tank trade:

As things currently stand; we aren’t out tanking charlotte, Utah and Washington.

So we’re destined to draft 4 - 8.

Every if we win a bunch; we’re still drafting 6 - 12.

Ingran. Agbaji, Walter, mogbo, shead, Barrett, quickly and a couple picks for og and pascal.

This is jaw droppingly amazing work for one calendar year!

Seriously, even if we draft 10th — what’s there to complain about?

[Boogie!]

On its own I really like the trade, Ingram's cool

I haven't watched BI much in recent seasons but uh, aren't he, RJ and Scottie kinda redundant? Not the same players exactly but all 3 are better scorers driving in and finishing around the paint/midrange. I guess he and RJ are decent 3pt shooters...

Don't get the fit contractually either. BI, RJ, IQ, and Scottie is gonna be an overpaid foursome

Kinda feels like it's more logical to let one go. RJ's been a good fit tho and I don't know who'd take IQ's contract esp after this injury-plagued season

Barnes is not a scorer guys. This is why we brought in Ingram. Once we start accepting this, we’ll start understanding why we actually need guys that can score.

[anotherhomer]

I believe ujiri pounce because the market was historical ly a buyers market

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Now that Butler has signed an extension, Ingram may be the top Free Agent in the market and will have suitors so the Raptors will have to pay up and I have always felt that Masai is too generous with contracts - I expect Ingram to get at least the 3/144, which is 48M per or more and the Raptors could well be a non-contending tax team. Also, why did the Raptors not bargain for giving the Pelicans the worst of the 2026 picks rather than the Pacers pick outright - While the Pacers are expected to be better team, what if the Pacers get hit by injuries (Sixers, Pelicans this year) and have a lost season, the Pelicans may end up with a better pick than the Raptors. Add in Ingram's injury history and it's a thumbs down trade for me.

Atleast it’s top 4 protected , which next year the top 4 projected are insanely good. Then there’s a big talent falloff. Kind of like this year. Pacers should net a pick in the teens / low 20s so don’t worry

[mtcan]

On its own I really like the trade, Ingram's cool

I haven't watched BI much in recent seasons but uh, aren't he, RJ and Scottie kinda redundant? Not the same players exactly but all 3 are better scorers driving in and finishing around the paint/midrange. I guess he and RJ are decent 3pt shooters...

Don't get the fit contractually either. BI, RJ, IQ, and Scottie is gonna be an overpaid foursome

Kinda feels like it's more logical to let one go. RJ's been a good fit tho and I don't know who'd take IQ's contract esp after this injury-plagued season

I think all 3 are different players and would occupy different real estate on the court.

RJ is a slasher and gets his going straight to the basket most of the time. He's really our only consistent downhill threat. He puts pressure on the rim any time he has the ball in his hands.

BI has a silky smooth jump shot and while I feel like he overuses his mid-range jumper...he shoots it well from 3 as well. If the coaching staff are able to get him to spot up from 3 more than inside the arc...he may unlock another level of efficiency.

Scottie is probably better in the post or mid range...but we know he loves to facilitate and he'll have another option to pass to.

[niQ]

Ingram 2nd pick
Barrett 3rd pick
Barnes 4th pick.

Now we just need to Win the lottery for a 1st pick...