With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[PhilBlackson]

It's only been a single summer league game (yes I understand "we talking bout Summer League" lol) but he's already showing us more flashes offensively than what we see from his common comparisons ie/ Simmons & Draymond...I mean yes we seen the flashes of the passing ability and defense BUT...

Remind me of the last time either of Ben or Draymond did the following in a single game at anytime, SL or otherwise:

- faked a pass to take a pull up mid range jumper
- showed some post footwork getting his man off his feet then scoring
- trailing the play pull up 3
- back door cut to lay in
- a floater in the lane

Scottie just did that in his first game...he's raw, yes but his offensive upside imo is MUCH better than those 2.

You treat like Dray is some sort of mediocre player

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He put up 12-14-3-3 in his first SL. Hopefully Barnes keeps shooting it and make plays on both ends

Not once did I ever say he's mediocre but hey you gotta play it up right?!

Pretty nice stat line, Barnes' was 18-10-5-2...more points and assists....also probably worth mentioning Barnes is also doing this THREE YEARS YOUNGER than Draymond was. I mean if we can fast forward 3 years, add all that development between now & then I'm going out on a limb here but wouldn't surprise me if Scottie had the ability to put up even more points and even more assists than Draymond did there but sure it's probably an outlandish thing to say I think he has more offensive potential even he did score more despite the age gap but whatever I like Scottie's offensive upside more somehow equates to someone else being mediocre.

[anotherhomer]

Draymond looked better in SL

[Clay Davis]

It's only been a single summer league game (yes I understand "we talking bout Summer League" lol) but he's already showing us more flashes offensively than what we see from his common comparisons ie/ Simmons & Draymond...I mean yes we seen the flashes of the passing ability and defense BUT...

Remind me of the last time either of Ben or Draymond did the following in a single game at anytime, SL or otherwise:

- faked a pass to take a pull up mid range jumper
- showed some post footwork getting his man off his feet then scoring
- trailing the play pull up 3
- back door cut to lay in
- a floater in the lane

Scottie just did that in his first game...he's raw, yes but his offensive upside imo is MUCH better than those 2.

Nah Simmons was a monster in his summer league days. He was knocking down mid range jumpers with ease. Fadeaways and all that. I was blown away by him and was convinced he'd be a superstar. I still think he has the potential but kind of losing hope now.

Watch on YouTube

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Dude literally forgot how to shoot.

Ya, I remember watching him in SL and being convinced he'd be a superstar. Sad to think that I may have been watching his peak .

[jacinto]

It's only been a single summer league game (yes I understand "we talking bout Summer League" lol) but he's already showing us more flashes offensively than what we see from his common comparisons ie/ Simmons & Draymond...I mean yes we seen the flashes of the passing ability and defense BUT...

Remind me of the last time either of Ben or Draymond did the following in a single game at anytime, SL or otherwise:

- faked a pass to take a pull up mid range jumper
- showed some post footwork getting his man off his feet then scoring
- trailing the play pull up 3
- back door cut to lay in
- a floater in the lane

Scottie just did that in his first game...he's raw, yes but his offensive upside imo is MUCH better than those 2.

Nah Simmons was a monster in his summer league days. He was knocking down mid range jumpers with ease. Fadeaways and all that. I was blown away by him and was convinced he'd be a superstar. I still think he has the potential but kind of losing hope now.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=GD%27sLatestHighlights

Dude literally forgot how to shoot.

Ya, I remember watching him in SL and being convinced he'd be a superstar. Sad to think that I may have been watching his peak .

In SL you can get away with 3x more of these types of passes than in the NBA. That's why I only see SL as conditioning rather than an evaluation of talent... as soon as you hit the big league every weakness is exposed and half the stuff you got away with will be blocked or intercepted.

[CANsportsguru]

It's only been a single summer league game (yes I understand "we talking bout Summer League" lol) but he's already showing us more flashes offensively than what we see from his common comparisons ie/ Simmons & Draymond...I mean yes we seen the flashes of the passing ability and defense BUT...

Remind me of the last time either of Ben or Draymond did the following in a single game at anytime, SL or otherwise:

- faked a pass to take a pull up mid range jumper
- showed some post footwork getting his man off his feet then scoring
- trailing the play pull up 3
- back door cut to lay in
- a floater in the lane

Scottie just did that in his first game...he's raw, yes but his offensive upside imo is MUCH better than those 2.

You treat like Dray is some sort of mediocre player

Read on Twitter

He put up 12-14-3-3 in his first SL. Hopefully Barnes keeps shooting it and make plays on both ends

Not once did I ever say he's mediocre but hey you gotta play it up right?!

Pretty nice stat line, Barnes' was 18-10-5-2...more points and assists....also probably worth mentioning Barnes is also doing this THREE YEARS YOUNGER than Draymond was. I mean if we can fast forward 3 years, add all that development between now & then I'm going out on a limb here but wouldn't surprise me if Scottie had the ability to put up even more points and even more assists than Draymond did there but sure it's probably an outlandish thing to say I think he has more offensive potential even he did score more despite the age gap but whatever I like Scottie's offensive upside more somehow equates to someone else being mediocre.

Watching Barnes at Florida State and then watching him in the summer league game. His jump shot looks a lot better. Higher release point, quicker just more fluid with it. There were reports out that Barnes shot the lights out in our draft workout and that definitely seems true so far. Offensively he's already far more advanced than Green was. Green just bullied the ball in against weaker players and his shot was very flat.

[WuTang_CMB]

Got the feeling from Bobby's comments yesterday that they think Scottie will be a top 6-7 player in the league one day and they were enamoured that he was there at 4 and no teams jumped in (ie. okc getting cleveland pick) to get him

[mintsa]

Got the feeling from Bobby's comments yesterday that they think Scottie will be a top 6-7 player in the league one day and they were enamoured that he was there at 4 and no teams jumped in (ie. okc getting cleveland pick) to get him

If Scottie has that Derozan gym rat work ethic……watch out, sky’s the limit.

[nikster]

Nah Simmons was a monster in his summer league days. He was knocking down mid range jumpers with ease. Fadeaways and all that. I was blown away by him and was convinced he'd be a superstar. I still think he has the potential but kind of losing hope now.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=GD%27sLatestHighlights

Dude literally forgot how to shoot.

Ya, I remember watching him in SL and being convinced he'd be a superstar. Sad to think that I may have been watching his peak .

In SL you can get away with 3x more of these types of passes than in the NBA. That's why I only see SL as conditioning rather than an evaluation of talent... as soon as you hit the big league every weakness is exposed and half the stuff you got away with will be blocked or intercepted.

yeah i was watching the highlights for Suggs, there was one possession where like 3 consecutive passes his teammates made would have easily been picked off in the league

[niQ]

I really want to see how good we are defensively with FVV, Barnes, OG, Pascal, and Birch.

[Rebel INS]

lol if this fanbase saw 1 game of rookie season summerleague Ben Simmons, we'd have 100 page threads debating whether his ceiling was GOAT or merely top 10 all time

Guy looked like Lebron with even slicker handles and no look passing

edit: on a tangent, GB thread about best analysts reminded me of this DX take by Givony and Schmitz about Simmons being overrated prospect

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Why-Ben-Simmons-Is-Not-The-Top-Prospect-in-the-2016-NBA-Draft-5390/

They were off the mark about defensive potential, but beyond that its actually really impressive they had the balls to have a take this hot given how generational Simmons looked in these highlights

[LoveMyRaps]

I really want to see how good we are defensively with FVV, Barnes, OG, Pascal, and Birch.

I can't help but think how good we'd be with a center like Turner. Defensively we'd be the best in the league and I really do think we'd be a top 4 team in the conference.

[T-d0t]

lol if this fanbase saw 1 game of rookie season summerleague Ben Simmons, we'd have 100 page threads debating whether his ceiling was GOAT or merely top 10 all time

Guy looked like Lebron with even slicker handles and no look passing

Everyone knows it's only one game and summer league etc. This is the only basketball we've gotten and will get for a while.

[brownbobcat]

lol if this fanbase saw 1 game of rookie season summerleague Ben Simmons, we'd have 100 page threads debating whether his ceiling was GOAT or merely top 10 all time

Guy looked like Lebron with even slicker handles and no look passing

edit: on a tangent, GB thread about best analysts reminded me of this DX take by Givony and Schmitz about Simmons being overrated prospect

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Why-Ben-Simmons-Is-Not-The-Top-Prospect-in-the-2016-NBA-Draft-5390/

They were off the mark about defensive potential, but beyond that its actually really impressive they had the balls to have a take this hot given how generational Simmons looked in these highlights

Ben Simmons is still a very good player in the NBA, he just can't be a fulltime PG.

[Spicy P]

Got the feeling from Bobby's comments yesterday that they think Scottie will be a top 6-7 player in the league one day and they were enamoured that he was there at 4 and no teams jumped in (ie. okc getting cleveland pick) to get him

Is that why Toronto and OKC were after the 3rd pick? To get Scottie Barnes? I figured they both wanted Mobley badly.

[WuTang_CMB]

Got the feeling from Bobby's comments yesterday that they think Scottie will be a top 6-7 player in the league one day and they were enamoured that he was there at 4 and no teams jumped in (ie. okc getting cleveland pick) to get him

Is that why Toronto and OKC were after the 3rd pick? To get Scottie Barnes? I figured they both wanted Mobley badly.

Seems media wise it was Mobley but internally for TOR/OKC it was Scottie

[Basketball_Jones]

Draymond has been pretty offensively challenged since 15-16. I'm hoping we get a few years of that peak Draymond out of Scottie. Dray was more of a project that hit his ceiling and dropped quick.

[Raps in 4]

Got the feeling from Bobby's comments yesterday that they think Scottie will be a top 6-7 player in the league one day and they were enamoured that he was there at 4 and no teams jumped in (ie. okc getting cleveland pick) to get him

Is that why Toronto and OKC were after the 3rd pick? To get Scottie Barnes? I figured they both wanted Mobley badly.

Seems media wise it was Mobley but internally for TOR/OKC it was Scottie

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

[Vorticity]

You can't judge the players in SL without considering the level of competition they're facing.
A lot of this SL performances disappear against grown up ass men.

[WuTang_CMB]

Is that why Toronto and OKC were after the 3rd pick? To get Scottie Barnes? I figured they both wanted Mobley badly.

Seems media wise it was Mobley but internally for TOR/OKC it was Scottie

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

Who knows.

But I think Raps had Barnes ahead of both Suggs and Green

[Clay Davis]

Is that why Toronto and OKC were after the 3rd pick? To get Scottie Barnes? I figured they both wanted Mobley badly.

Seems media wise it was Mobley but internally for TOR/OKC it was Scottie

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

We weren't gonna pick Barnes at 3 lol. It was Mobley at that point.

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