With the 4th Pick, the Raptors select Scottie Barnes! Part 2

[Raps in 4]

Seems media wise it was Mobley but internally for TOR/OKC it was Scottie

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

Who knows.

But I think Raps had Barnes ahead of both Suggs and Green

I can see that. But I don't think there is any chance they had him ahead of Mobley. And even if they did, surely they would have the sense to know that nobody else did lol. The top-3 was as locked in as can be.

[Tha Cynic]

It's always fun seeing people compare Barnes to Draymond Green with the intention of dissing Barnes, when all they're doing is showing how important Barnes will be to a winning program lol.

[WuTang_CMB]

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

Who knows.

But I think Raps had Barnes ahead of both Suggs and Green

I can see that. But I don't think there is any chance they had him ahead of Mobley. And even if they did, surely they would have the sense to know that nobody else did lol. The top-3 was as locked in as can be.

whats funny is that barnes under us will turn into a better player than mobley. You know its going to happen based on our history lol

[Ganjamayne]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

[c3luong]

That can't possibly be true lol. I don't think any sane NBA GM would trade assets to get the #3 pick and then take Barnes, someone most GMs wouldn't even take at #4.

Who knows.

But I think Raps had Barnes ahead of both Suggs and Green

I can see that. But I don't think there is any chance they had him ahead of Mobley. And even if they did, surely they would have the sense to know that nobody else did lol. The top-3 was as locked in as can be.

I admire the hubris of someone who can be supremely confident of knowing something that's impossible to know.

[c3luong]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

lol Barnes makes his own fashion.

[StopitLeo]

Watching Barnes at Florida State and then watching him in the summer league game. His jump shot looks a lot better. Higher release point, quicker just more fluid with it. There were reports out that Barnes shot the lights out in our draft workout and that definitely seems true so far. Offensively he's already far more advanced than Green was. Green just bullied the ball in against weaker players and his shot was very flat.

David Thorpe (analyst, coach, trainer of pros, son was on the FSU team with Scottie) made the point that FSU players weren’t able to do extra work outside of team practice because of COVID restrictions. After practice the gym would have to be sanitized so players couldn’t just go in by themselves or with a coach to do extra shooting. This undoubtedly had an impact on Scottie’s shooting development.

Scottie has been able to workout privately since the college season ended in preparation for the draft. He clearly worked a lot on his shooting mechanics, which was evident by the videos we’ve seen. By the sounds of it, the Raptors have already made some small tweaks to help him continue to improve.

Given Toronto’s track record of improving player shooting (even going back to DeMar), I’m pretty confident Scottie will become a good shooter.

[Raps in 4]

Who knows.

But I think Raps had Barnes ahead of both Suggs and Green

I can see that. But I don't think there is any chance they had him ahead of Mobley. And even if they did, surely they would have the sense to know that nobody else did lol. The top-3 was as locked in as can be.

I admire the hubris of someone who can be supremely confident of knowing something that's impossible to know.

Nobody took Barnes top-3. Clearly I was right. It was evident at the time that he would still be available at #4. The odds of another GM passing on Cade, Green, or Mobley to draft him was less than 1%.

[OakleyDokely]

It's always fun seeing people compare Barnes to Draymond Green with the intention of dissing Barnes, when all they're doing is showing how important Barnes will be to a winning program lol.

yup, Draymond was a DPOY and one of the best defensive players of the last decade who was 2nd/3rd most important player on a 73 win team and a title team.

If you get that with the 4th pick, you hit a homerun.

It's very rare you hit a grandslam and land a Kawhi, although if everything goes right Barnes could have that impact.

[c3luong]

I can see that. But I don't think there is any chance they had him ahead of Mobley. And even if they did, surely they would have the sense to know that nobody else did lol. The top-3 was as locked in as can be.

I admire the hubris of someone who can be supremely confident of knowing something that's impossible to know.

Nobody took Barnes top-3. Clearly I was right. It was evident at the time that he would still be available at #4. The odds of another GM passing on Cade, Green, or Mobley to draft him was less than 1%.

Ok, I'll entertain you. Please show me any evidence that the Raptors thought Mobley > Barnes or even Mobley = Barnes.

[Raps in 4]

I admire the hubris of someone who can be supremely confident of knowing something that's impossible to know.

Nobody took Barnes top-3. Clearly I was right. It was evident at the time that he would still be available at #4. The odds of another GM passing on Cade, Green, or Mobley to draft him was less than 1%.

Ok, I'll entertain you. Please show me any evidence that the Raptors thought Mobley > Barnes or even Mobley = Barnes.

Mobley fits the profile of a long, athletic, defence-first, high-IQ player that Masai covets. If Masai wanted to trade up, it was 100% to take Mobley. If he wanted to trade up to #3 to draft Barnes, he wouldn't be an NBA GM. Even if he coveted Barnes, he'd have the sense to know that other teams didn't. It's an insult to his intelligence to think he was willing to give up assets to trade for up a guy that would almost 100% be available at #4.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

He's making his own style which is very forward thinking. If he becomes a star all the kids will dress like Scottie.

[Vampirate]

People will either look at Masai as a visionary or an idiot depending on how Barnes turns out. There's no in-between lol.

[bozothepope]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

I disagree. I hope he keeps the look.

[Clay Davis]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

#SocksForSuggs

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[Clay Davis]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

lol Barnes makes his own fashion.

Will Barnes put OG on high socks?

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[DreamTeam09]

We took the taller player in a league where wing scorers are scary, especially playoff time. I can never be madd at that.

We can find a scorer next draft, Bouknight fell to 11, moody went like 16

[Vampirate]

Nobody took Barnes top-3. Clearly I was right. It was evident at the time that he would still be available at #4. The odds of another GM passing on Cade, Green, or Mobley to draft him was less than 1%.

Ok, I'll entertain you. Please show me any evidence that the Raptors thought Mobley > Barnes or even Mobley = Barnes.

Mobley fits the profile of a long, athletic, defence-first, high-IQ player that Masai covets. If Masai wanted to trade up, it was 100% to take Mobley. If he wanted to trade up to #3 to draft Barnes, he wouldn't be an NBA GM. Even if he coveted Barnes, he'd have the sense to know that other teams didn't. It's an insult to his intelligence to think he was willing to give up assets to trade a guy that would almost 100% be available at #4.

Mobley is potentially a true game changer, you really shouldn't put too much stock on what he does this year imo. He needs to gain muscle. However he pretty much has the most unstoppable shot theoretically, he can simply shoot over everyone.

If there's a team that's probably might regret their pick the most it's Detroit imo.

I think Cade will be an All Star, but I don't know if he has the athleticism to get his game to the level of a superstar. He truly needs to develop a step back 3 or something he can easily pull out the top of a hat that's unstoppable to max his potential. His value comes from shot creation imo as his assist/turnover rate is alarming and while he's probably a capable defender, it's not his calling card. Thus atm, he probably a low end all star player.

As for Barnes, it's simply high risk, high reward. The one good thing about Barnes, and i'll repeat this is he doesn't have the absolute unwillingness to shoot the 3 in game (*cough* Ben, Simmons*cough*) and i'd easily take him over Simmons because of that and Ben Simmons crippling contract.

Out of the 5 teams, Orlando is in a no lose situation. Regardless of what happens to the other 4 players, they get to pick the all around PG who's got a great bet to become an all star. It doesn't matter what happens with Barnes as they were not in a position to get him thus can't regret it.

As for Jalen Green, I guess the question will be what type of All Star will he be? Overrrated? underrated? low end? Superstar?
How will his game hold up once his tremendous athleticism goes away?

[c3luong]

Nobody took Barnes top-3. Clearly I was right. It was evident at the time that he would still be available at #4. The odds of another GM passing on Cade, Green, or Mobley to draft him was less than 1%.

Ok, I'll entertain you. Please show me any evidence that the Raptors thought Mobley > Barnes or even Mobley = Barnes.

Mobley fits the profile of a long, athletic, defence-first, high-IQ player that Masai covets. If Masai wanted to trade up, it was 100% to take Mobley. If he wanted to trade up to #3 to draft Barnes, he wouldn't be an NBA GM. Even if he coveted Barnes, he'd have the sense to know that other teams didn't. It's an insult to his intelligence to think he was willing to give up assets to trade for up a guy that would almost 100% be available at #4.

Ok, so you have no evidence. Got it, thanks!

[c3luong]

Can we talk about Barnes high socks look? Can someone tell him it looks bad lol. I have nothing wrong with the short shorts, but socks make it look like he's wearing those long boots women wear

lol Barnes makes his own fashion.

Will Barnes put OG on high socks?

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OG's been in the sock game for years now.