GT: Raptors @ Kings 10PM SN Friday Nov 19

[720]

Kings look favoured even if they are just 2-4 at home.
Might be one to turn off at half time.

The comeback starts now, the road to 500 runs through Sacramento

[johanliebert]

I don't understand the hate. I really don't. His positioning on most of these plays is correct, it's just a lack of effort that's visible.
Why the lack off effort? Well let me see... maybe because he's coming back from a major injury/surgery and it's only his 5th game after a 6 month layoff? He's literally in pre-season mode right now, while the rest of the guys he's playing around/against have their legs under them and this is literally the point of the season where players are the "freshest"/healthiest. The guys that have been playing since training camp/preseason have their conditioning in check, Siakam who missed all of that obviously doesn't and it'll take him some time.

People love to hate this dude for no reason...
He was fine the first 4 games, had 2 consecutive good games before last night, but 1 bad performance and people jump on his ass like he's the sole reason we lost last night? Ha.
Been said over and over again... the praise for Siakam is never as loud as the slander.

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
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at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

On almost all of the plays in this package there are other Raptors that also make glaring defensive mistakes lol.

First play: Siakam was caught overhelping close enough to Gobert under the rim while not giving too much space to both Ingles and Conley (because Flynn was in no man's land after Conley's initial drive) but did a decent job getting out to contest the Ingles 3.

Second play: what the heck is Scottie doing? Doubles O'Neale and leaves Bogdanovic WIDE open in the corner then barely even jogs for the fake contest

Third play: GTJ gambles for the steal rather than funneling Mitchell into the middle of the paint

Fourth play: bad defence from Siakam. Mitchell made a good read pulling up for that easy midrange jumper rather than trying to score over Siakam and Birch

Fifth play: Ingles pushes off a bit. Probably not a foul, but Siakam was caught in between defending the drive and the pass because Boucher died on the screen then didn't hustle back to cover Gobert

Sixth play: bad transition defence, but that isn't Siakam's fault at all. Siakam literally took a corner three from the far side 6 seconds before O'Neale made that 3. FVV unnecessarily doubled Bogdanovic. GTJ was in perfect position to guard Bogdanovic 1-on-1

Seventh play: literally just a great pass from Ingles. We could have had anyone defending that and there was no chance at stopping the pass or sealing off Gobert because of his screen that GTJ avoided entirely that opened up all of the space in the world on that side of the floor

Last play: Svi was way too far up on Ingles and died on the weakest screen. He made an effort to recover, but it was too late at that point and Siakam was caught in between defending the Ingles drive or Gobert on the pass. Another great pass from Ingles

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Incorrect siakam had a foot in the paint that entire possession to protect the paint and Flynn wasn’t in no mans land. Siakam fell asleep then didn’t even close out on ingles. That’s a fake close out ingles released that ball before siakam even got there.

2nd play siakam takes himself out of position going for the ball and Scottie picked up his man. Siakam then goes back to the man scottie already picked up and there was zero communication between them. If Scottie doesn’t switch that’s an open drive/shot for siakams matchup,

I can’t believe you guys are blaming his teammates.

[Dennis 37]

Flynn was the only player with significant minutes with a positive +/- last game (+5) (and Champagnie (+5))

you know how bad our bench is? Banton -18. and he's supposed to be a leader of our bench and our sparkplug.

How many of those minutes were with Flynn or Fred?

For Banton's plus minus I only count the minutes where he is the only PG on the floor. He needs to be the ball handler or he might as well be on the bench. His purpose is the all 6'9" lineup.

[johanliebert]

I don't understand the hate. I really don't. His positioning on most of these plays is correct, it's just a lack of effort that's visible.
Why the lack off effort? Well let me see... maybe because he's coming back from a major injury/surgery and it's only his 5th game after a 6 month layoff? He's literally in pre-season mode right now, while the rest of the guys he's playing around/against have their legs under them and this is literally the point of the season where players are the "freshest"/healthiest. The guys that have been playing since training camp/preseason have their conditioning in check, Siakam who missed all of that obviously doesn't and it'll take him some time.

People love to hate this dude for no reason...
He was fine the first 4 games, had 2 consecutive good games before last night, but 1 bad performance and people jump on his ass like he's the sole reason we lost last night? Ha.
Been said over and over again... the praise for Siakam is never as loud as the slander.

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
'
at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

11 second mark - He looks back to see if O'Neal is gonna rush in for the rebound. You expect him to box him out O'Neal who is standing behind the arc? The ball is clearly much closer to Bogdanovic who is just quicker on his feet in that situation and just needs to tap the ball back.

22 second mark - He prevents Gobert from getting way ahead of Barnes for the easy deuce then pivots a bit to the corner to block off the passing lane for an O'Neal wide open 3. Re-watch this possession. Trent just makes a bad defensive play tryna go for the steal by reaching in from the back and completely gets dusted by Mitchell who has a wide open lane to the rim. Weird for you to blame Siakam on this possession.

35 second mark - This one I agree on. His lack of effort on full display with him not contesting the shot. Doesn't put his arms up. Bad defense.

46 second mark - Much better effort here. Hands up the entire time. Ingles just pushes off on Siakam to get himself a bit of space to get the shot off the glass.

53 second mark - This entire defensive sequence is a miscommunication/misreading by FVV & Trent, yet for whatever reason you're blaming Siakam for it? It was plain stupid for FVV to leave O'Neal wide open in the corner. Trent made a late recovery to Bogdanovic and was there to contest any potential shot.

1 minute mark - Right read. Prevents Ingles from driving to the lane but a bit slow on the feet and isn't able to shift back to Gobert in time.

1:13 mark - Switches onto Ingles to prevent a wide open 3 since Svi gets lost in the Gobert screen. The real WTF here is Boucher's defense. He sees Gobert with a open lane to the rim and doesn't bother putting a body on him. Then to make matters worse he gives him a weak shove from the back for which he should've been called for a foul and it should've been an And-1 for Gobert.

He looked to see if o’neal was rushing in for a board? Is that a joke? He simply went for the ball and missed it, I can’t believe what I’m reading here.

There’s no defending his effort and missed rotations.

[Mikistan]

"Hate" thats a big lol
"1 bad performance" - another lol

come one man, how can you type these things with a straight face.

good positioning? man are you ever out to lunch - hes slow to rotate, doesnt box out at all, look at the 11 second mark, he does a 360 to look around in place, doesnt put a body on anyone, ball actually bounces towards him and he still doesnt get the ball, then at the 14 second mark, he doesnt step up on the ball, doesnt recognize the shooter in the play is open, and actually steps away from the ball leaving Scottie to mark 2 people

at thee 22 second mark he gives no help and isnt on the shooter, literally a pilon

at the 35 second mark, he switches onto mitchell and does nothing to hound him, literally just backs up with arms down and gives up an easy shot

at 46 - ok fine, we can say joe ingles got away with a push --- or we can confirm once again how soft siakam is that joe ingles can bully him in the paint..

at 53 he is literally guarding NO ONE
'
at 1 minute mark, again guarding no one, when his job is to be close to the big, because you know, literally no one is on his side of the court with the big man

1:13 mark - ok he did his job to clog the lane - 2 arms legnths away from anyone ... very useful

11 second mark - He looks back to see if O'Neal is gonna rush in for the rebound. You expect him to box him out O'Neal who is standing behind the arc? The ball is clearly much closer to Bogdanovic who is just quicker on his feet in that situation and just needs to tap the ball back.

22 second mark - He prevents Gobert from getting way ahead of Barnes for the easy deuce then pivots a bit to the corner to block off the passing lane for an O'Neal wide open 3. Re-watch this possession. Trent just makes a bad defensive play tryna go for the steal by reaching in from the back and completely gets dusted by Mitchell who has a wide open lane to the rim. Weird for you to blame Siakam on this possession.

35 second mark - This one I agree on. His lack of effort on full display with him not contesting the shot. Doesn't put his arms up. Bad defense.

46 second mark - Much better effort here. Hands up the entire time. Ingles just pushes off on Siakam to get himself a bit of space to get the shot off the glass.

53 second mark - This entire defensive sequence is a miscommunication/misreading by FVV & Trent, yet for whatever reason you're blaming Siakam for it? It was plain stupid for FVV to leave O'Neal wide open in the corner. Trent made a late recovery to Bogdanovic and was there to contest any potential shot.

1 minute mark - Right read. Prevents Ingles from driving to the lane but a bit slow on the feet and isn't able to shift back to Gobert in time.

1:13 mark - Switches onto Ingles to prevent a wide open 3 since Svi gets lost in the Gobert screen. The real WTF here is Boucher's defense. He sees Gobert with a open lane to the rim and doesn't bother putting a body on him. Then to make matters worse he gives him a weak shove from the back for which he should've been called for a foul and it should've been an And-1 for Gobert.

He looked to see if o’neal was rushing in for a board? Is that a joke? He simply went for the ball and missed it, I can’t believe what I’m reading here.

There’s no defending his effort and missed rotations.

I think the main takeaway to remember is he isn't the only one making mistakes on d out there. Still I maintain that this team is better when Pascal commits himself to get 10+ rebounds than when he tries to score 20+ pts

[JN]

The team is currently 8th in offensive efficiency.
The team is currently 24th in defensive efficiency.

Quite a few narratives out there on a number of our players being issues offensively. But that really is not our problem. WTH are we doing with our defence that supposedly has good pieces.

[Mikistan]

The team is currently 8th in offensive efficiency.
The team is currently 24th in defensive efficiency.

Quite a few narratives out there on a number of our players being issues offensively. But that really is not our problem. WTH are we doing with our defence that supposedly has good pieces.

No rim protector to funnel drives into.
And our coach forcing us to play a style of defense that collapses yo leave a guy open at the 3pt line by design.

[johanliebert]

11 second mark - He looks back to see if O'Neal is gonna rush in for the rebound. You expect him to box him out O'Neal who is standing behind the arc? The ball is clearly much closer to Bogdanovic who is just quicker on his feet in that situation and just needs to tap the ball back.

22 second mark - He prevents Gobert from getting way ahead of Barnes for the easy deuce then pivots a bit to the corner to block off the passing lane for an O'Neal wide open 3. Re-watch this possession. Trent just makes a bad defensive play tryna go for the steal by reaching in from the back and completely gets dusted by Mitchell who has a wide open lane to the rim. Weird for you to blame Siakam on this possession.

35 second mark - This one I agree on. His lack of effort on full display with him not contesting the shot. Doesn't put his arms up. Bad defense.

46 second mark - Much better effort here. Hands up the entire time. Ingles just pushes off on Siakam to get himself a bit of space to get the shot off the glass.

53 second mark - This entire defensive sequence is a miscommunication/misreading by FVV & Trent, yet for whatever reason you're blaming Siakam for it? It was plain stupid for FVV to leave O'Neal wide open in the corner. Trent made a late recovery to Bogdanovic and was there to contest any potential shot.

1 minute mark - Right read. Prevents Ingles from driving to the lane but a bit slow on the feet and isn't able to shift back to Gobert in time.

1:13 mark - Switches onto Ingles to prevent a wide open 3 since Svi gets lost in the Gobert screen. The real WTF here is Boucher's defense. He sees Gobert with a open lane to the rim and doesn't bother putting a body on him. Then to make matters worse he gives him a weak shove from the back for which he should've been called for a foul and it should've been an And-1 for Gobert.

He looked to see if o’neal was rushing in for a board? Is that a joke? He simply went for the ball and missed it, I can’t believe what I’m reading here.

There’s no defending his effort and missed rotations.

I think the main takeaway to remember is he isn't the only one making mistakes on d out there. Still I maintain that this team is better when Pascal commits himself to get 10+ rebounds than when he tries to score 20+ pts

There’s no defending his effort out there. Him playing like he does causes everyone else to scramble it’s a cause and effect.

If you believe Flynn was in no mans land it’s time to use your eyes numbers can’t measure everything especially on defence.

[Mikistan]

He looked to see if o’neal was rushing in for a board? Is that a joke? He simply went for the ball and missed it, I can’t believe what I’m reading here.

There’s no defending his effort and missed rotations.

I think the main takeaway to remember is he isn't the only one making mistakes on d out there. Still I maintain that this team is better when Pascal commits himself to get 10+ rebounds than when he tries to score 20+ pts

There’s no defending his effort out there. Him playing like he does causes everyone else to scramble it’s a cause and effect.

If you believe Flynn was in no mans land it’s time to use your eyes numbers can’t measure everything especially on defence.

Well if the conditioning excuse is true he should be even worse tonight on the back2back than last night

[raptorstime]

Show me why you deserve another contract in the NBA Boucher.

[Los_29]

Pretty sure Masai would gladly take that deal. Unfortunately Sacramento isn’t quite that stupid

Sacramento is one of the stupidest franchises in the history of this league.

And no, I really don't think Masai would take that deal. Do you think Fox's game fits what this team is trying to accomplish? Do you think he is a good defender? If you guys hate FVV, I can't imagine how much you guys would hate Fox.

"When Fox was on the court last season, the Kings’ defensive rating (per 100 possessions) soared to a whopping 118, two points worse than the previously recorded worst in history. When Fox was off the court, the team’s rating was rated 10th overall in the league at 111.8."

Doesn't seem like a Masai type player right there.

dude cannot shoot from 3 and with more physical play and refs holding their whistle, Fox has definitely not benefitted

That's a good point as well. Forgot about that. That could be part of the reason why his shooting percentages are absolutely atrocious this year.

[JN]

The team is currently 8th in offensive efficiency.
The team is currently 24th in defensive efficiency.

Quite a few narratives out there on a number of our players being issues offensively. But that really is not our problem. WTH are we doing with our defence that supposedly has good pieces.

No rim protector to funnel drives into.
And our coach forcing us to play a style of defense that collapses yo leave a guy open at the 3pt line by design.

You are probably right.

When we had our great 53-19 season in 2019/2020, Nick ran an aggressive swarming defence that was second in both 2pt% defence and 3pt% defence. Which is pretty amazing to be so good at both.

This year we are 26th in 2pt% and 25th in 3pt% defence. We suck at both. We still have a swarming defence, but we try to collapse even harder inside vs 19/20 when needed because of resource issues. And that opens up the 3point game.

And teams are probably figuring out Nurse over time from year to year.

[JN]

Show me why you deserve another contract in the NBA Boucher.

I keep playing him regularly in the rotation for at least the next 15 games if we stay this mediocre.

If he turns it around great. We have an asset to keep or trade.
If he continues to suck playing rotational minutes, well he helps with "higher" ambitions.

[Dalek]

Jalen Suggs break-out game - 9 points in 6 minutes.

I feel like Scottie's been slipping lately. I'd like a big game from him - Kings can't guard him because he is too strong.

Scottie hasn't hit a three since October 29.

[720]

Jalen Suggs break-out game - 9 points in 6 minutes.

I feel like Scottie's been slipping lately. I'd like a big game from him - Kings can't guard him because he is too strong.

Scottie hasn't hit a three since October 29.

We're too busy giving all our scrubs shot attempts and running 500 Fred Vanvleet pick and rolls per game. So that we can win games or something. Oh wait, we're not really doing a good job of that either so I don't know why we don't run anything for the rookie.

[HumbleRen]

Jalen Suggs break-out game - 9 points in 6 minutes.

I feel like Scottie's been slipping lately. I'd like a big game from him - Kings can't guard him because he is too strong.

Scottie hasn't hit a three since October 29.

Scottie career on the line tonight, he best deliver the goods

[Dalek]

Jalen Suggs break-out game - 9 points in 6 minutes.

I feel like Scottie's been slipping lately. I'd like a big game from him - Kings can't guard him because he is too strong.

Scottie hasn't hit a three since October 29.

Make that 17 points and 3 assists in 13 minutes for Suggs against the Nets. Wowza! Magic up 18.

[C_Money]

Show me why you deserve another contract in the NBA Boucher.

Thats part of the problem. He’s gunning for that contract and being a selfish idiot in the process.

[WuTang_CMB]

Kings stink but so do we last few games
Need to get siakam and barnes going

[will]

Kings stink but so do we last few games
Need to get siakam and barnes going

If the Kings stink, the Raps are the feces.