Post-Game: Raps beat Nets, go back above .500

[Tha Cynic]

IQ
CMB
Ingram
Scottie
Mamu

Would like to see this lineup out there, they don’t have to start but I’d like to see some extended data on that lineup.

They also need to get Battle up to 20 minutes a game for a stretch imo. He has actually shown an ability to stay in front of guys while hitting shots in the past season. I want to see him get some extended run.

I think CMB eventually replaces RJ in the lineup. One or two of our starters won’t be here next season, but a lot depends on what Ingram may do with his option to opt out of that 3rd year.

[mdenny]

That was an extremely boring watch. Between the refs calling everything, a sub par opponent and a generally lacklustre effort this felt like a preseason game. Anyway happy with the win.

Most games against the East is going to feel like this lol.

Even Pacers are brutal showing how few players can carry a team. Siakam can’t carry a team as he’s showing after all the talk we had in here last season do to his success on a good team. The Raptors should be in the pack trying to get homecourt in the playoffs this year.

Pascal showing hes an excellent #2 guy

Pascal is a top 25 player. It is so strange that he is so highly criticized on this board but ppl are pleased with these sub top 50 performances by Barnes.

It's so weird that Pascal can lead his team to a game 7 finals matchup and then get dogged on this board for a shaky second half. Meanwhile....Barnes can't lead his mediocre team to wins over basement teams and ppl compliment his performance.

Twilight zone stuff. This is why ppl compare it to bargani. No other raptor in history gets this much goodwill while having not contributed to a single significant achievement to the franchise in 5 years. Only Bargs and Barnes.

I'm not even sure we can even call Barnes a good draft pick anymore. It's starting 6to look like he would come 6th or 7th in a redraft.

Even if you want to call him a glue guy like Draymond. He isn't good at alot of those intangibles. He doesn't set good screens. He's not a great rebounder. He's a good team defender....but not elite like Bam or draymond.

He's a good player....but end of day....these performances are approximately 50ish best player in the league caliber. That should be a huge disappointment given that we decided to rebuild the franchise around him.

And it's not even that once every 5 games he goes off and has a top 10 or top 15 performance. He's not even sniffing that level. Pascal always did.

He is not even coming close to the hype and the hopes. Let's not kid ourselves. Perhaps most foreboding...he seems content and happy with where he is at. There's no fire in him unless he gets the chance to do a look-back dunk. I don't think HE believes he is going to be a top 25 player or deserves to be so.

[HumbleRen]

I wonder how long it'll take for people to see how good Scottie actally is.

A True #1 doesn't have to be a lead scorer on nightly basis.

Yes they do. This isn’t the 60’s and 80’s anymore lol.

Scottie is our most impactful player but that doesn’t make him a true #1. We’ve only had one in our franchise’s existence. Most franchises aren’t even lucky to even cheer for a team with a true #1.

Pacers made the NBA finals without a true #1

Haliburton isn’t a traditional true #1 option but he was one of the best offensive engines of all time. Look at how dog crap the Pacers are without him. People making it seem like Siakam and Hali were some 1A/1B duo was laughable. Haliburton is what makes the Pacers special. Everyone else on that team is replaceable.

I think incredibly savant point guards like Haliburton, Nash and CP3 can win a chip as the best player without being a “true #1” in the scoring sense but that isn’t Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

IQ
CMB
Ingram
Scottie
Mamu

Would like to see this lineup out there, they don’t have to start but I’d like to see some extended data on that lineup.

They also need to get Battle up to 20 minutes a game for a stretch imo. He has actually shown an ability to stay in front of guys while hitting shots in the past season. I want to see him get some extended run.

I think CMB eventually replaces RJ in the lineup. One or two of our starters won’t be here next season, but a lot depends on what Ingram may do with his option to opt out of that 3rd year.

Battle absolutely needs atleast 15 mins a game on the court. Politics shouldn’t be a factor into who earns playing time or not.

You can’t preach consistency and hard work if you aren’t rewarding the guys who are consistent and play hard.

[manjusaka]

Yes they do. This isn’t the 60’s and 80’s anymore lol.

Scottie is our most impactful player but that doesn’t make him a true #1. We’ve only had one in our franchise’s existence. Most franchises aren’t even lucky to even cheer for a team with a true #1.

Pacers made the NBA finals without a true #1

Haliburton isn’t a traditional true #1 option but he was one of the best offensive engines of all time. Look at how dog crap the Pacers are without him. People making it seem like Siakam and Hali were some 1A/1B duo was laughable. Haliburton is what makes the Pacers special. Everyone else on that team is replaceable.

I think incredibly savant point guards like Haliburton, Nash and CP3 can win a chip as the best player without being a “true #1” in the scoring sense but that isn’t Scottie.

Pacers just got smoked by Jazz. They must be tanking. Don’t think their defences are this bad without Turner.

[Thaddy]

IQ
CMB
Ingram
Scottie
Mamu

Would like to see this lineup out there, they don’t have to start but I’d like to see some extended data on that lineup.

They also need to get Battle up to 20 minutes a game for a stretch imo. He has actually shown an ability to stay in front of guys while hitting shots in the past season. I want to see him get some extended run.

I think CMB eventually replaces RJ in the lineup. One or two of our starters won’t be here next season, but a lot depends on what Ingram may do with his option to opt out of that 3rd year.

CMB should replace him. I don't see a point in RJ anymore. It's cool to see him ball but it's not effective basketball. CMB brings consistent defense and similar skills. It's just the matter of the 3pt shot.

[MoneyBall]

Paraphrasing from the Nets post-game broadcast here:

“Jakob Poeltl was a high pick, Scottie Barnes was a high pick, Brandon Ingram was a high pick, RJ Barrett was a high pick. This team has a lot of guys with a lot of potential, and this is an evaluation year in Toronto. This was a talented team we played tonight.”

Our championship team was a bunch of low picks haha.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Pacers made the NBA finals without a true #1

Haliburton isn’t a traditional true #1 option but he was one of the best offensive engines of all time. Look at how dog crap the Pacers are without him. People making it seem like Siakam and Hali were some 1A/1B duo was laughable. Haliburton is what makes the Pacers special. Everyone else on that team is replaceable.

I think incredibly savant point guards like Haliburton, Nash and CP3 can win a chip as the best player without being a “true #1” in the scoring sense but that isn’t Scottie.

Pacers just got smoked by Jazz. They must be tanking. Don’t think their defences are this bad without Turner.

Just look at how bad the Pacers are without Haliburton, and uh... Turner, and Nembhard, and Mathurin, oh, and Toppin. That's how great Haliburton actually is, oh wait, also McConnell. Their entire playoff rotation has been decimated.

[HumbleRen]

Haliburton isn’t a traditional true #1 option but he was one of the best offensive engines of all time. Look at how dog crap the Pacers are without him. People making it seem like Siakam and Hali were some 1A/1B duo was laughable. Haliburton is what makes the Pacers special. Everyone else on that team is replaceable.

I think incredibly savant point guards like Haliburton, Nash and CP3 can win a chip as the best player without being a “true #1” in the scoring sense but that isn’t Scottie.

Pacers just got smoked by Jazz. They must be tanking. Don’t think their defences are this bad without Turner.

Just look at how bad the Pacers are without Haliburton, and uh... Turner, and Nembhard, and Mathurin, oh, and Toppin. That's how great Haliburton actually is, oh wait, also McConnell. Their entire playoff rotation has been decimated.

TJ is playing. Nembhard too.

Pacers fans hated Mauthrin and Turner lol, hopefully they see how foolish that hate was.

[pingpongrac]

Pacers just got smoked by Jazz. They must be tanking. Don’t think their defences are this bad without Turner.

Just look at how bad the Pacers are without Haliburton, and uh... Turner, and Nembhard, and Mathurin, oh, and Toppin. That's how great Haliburton actually is, oh wait, also McConnell. Their entire playoff rotation has been decimated.

TJ is playing. Nembhard too.

Pacers fans hated Mauthrin and Turner lol, hopefully they see how foolish that hate was.

Nembhard has played 4 games, Toppin has played 3 games, Mathurin has played 2 games and TJ has played a whopping 11 minutes lol. Indiana has been incredibly disappointing, but it all comes down to injuries. Not going to win many games in this league when the vast majority of their available players are rookies/sophomores, two-way guys and journeyman Cs.

[bargs4mvp]

Most games against the East is going to feel like this lol.

Even Pacers are brutal showing how few players can carry a team. Siakam can’t carry a team as he’s showing after all the talk we had in here last season do to his success on a good team. The Raptors should be in the pack trying to get homecourt in the playoffs this year.

Pascal showing hes an excellent #2 guy

Pascal is a top 25 player. It is so strange that he is so highly criticized on this board but ppl are pleased with these sub top 50 performances by Barnes.

It's so weird that Pascal can lead his team to a game 7 finals matchup and then get dogged on this board for a shaky second half. Meanwhile....Barnes can't lead his mediocre team to wins over basement teams and ppl compliment his performance.

Twilight zone stuff. This is why ppl compare it to bargani. No other raptor in history gets this much goodwill while having not contributed to a single significant achievement to the franchise in 5 years. Only Bargs and Barnes.

I'm not even sure we can even call Barnes a good draft pick anymore. It's starting 6to look like he would come 6th or 7th in a redraft.

Even if you want to call him a glue guy like Draymond. He isn't good at alot of those intangibles. He doesn't set good screens. He's not a great rebounder. He's a good team defender....but not elite like Bam or draymond.

He's a good player....but end of day....these performances are approximately 50ish best player in the league caliber. That should be a huge disappointment given that we decided to rebuild the franchise around him.

And it's not even that once every 5 games he goes off and has a top 10 or top 15 performance. He's not even sniffing that level. Pascal always did.

He is not even coming close to the hype and the hopes. Let's not kid ourselves. Perhaps most foreboding...he seems content and happy with where he is at. There's no fire in him unless he gets the chance to do a look-back dunk. I don't think HE believes he is going to be a top 25 player or deserves to be so.

Pascal is 1-10 as the main guy on the pacers. Nice little tank commander, he led us with empty stats to draft Scottie also.


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[pingpongrac]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

There shouldn’t be very much to complain about so far aside from the defence in the first few games as well as our bench wings (Gradey, JKW and Ochai) struggling to score. Offence has been consistent, defence has been improving, starters have been very good (especially with Poeltl looking healthy now and IQ playing closer to his expected level), the bench overall has been very solid, chemistry is building, etc. Just have to hope we can remain relatively healthy and this team should win 45-ish games with an outside chance of hitting 50.

[Son Goku 25]

Barnes is a glue guy. He's not a first option. He can be a really good 3rd option and someone that does it all from the point forward position, sort of like Draymond without the crazy antics. Ingram is a trash high volume, low IQ player. He reminds me of young Demar Derozan. RJ is the same another low IQ chucker. Not to rain on anyone's parade here but Brooklyn is a trash team and if it wasn't for IQ finding his stroke from 3 we would have been close to losing this game.

We blew up the team to give scotty the keys...traded our players.....hired a coach that called him a "future face of the league" that caters to him at embarrasing levels...signed him to a max contract.

But let's not expect him to be more than a glue guy?

He's like a Lowry....you still need better players in front of him if the goal is to be a contender.

The most important thing is that Barnes can be a key player on a contending team...he's not a net negative player, like Beal for example.

He provides more than just scoring when he's "good Barnes" something guys like Beal can't provide as you pointed out. Just need to keep getting mature and consistent.. he's a force when his mindset is right.

[Son Goku 25]

IQ haters are real quiet

Team best +20 as well (in a 10 point win)

Still here. Id hope he plays to that level, esp against the nets. I wouldn't call myself a hater though just annoyed at how he's turned out to be for us, his defense is terrible and he's soft and injury prone. If his shot isn't on then he doesn't provide much, really suited for a 6th man role that isn't running the team like a combo guard like Lou Williams and he's paid like a starter borderline star.

Listen, I'd love for the sake of our team that he turns it around and he's that guy we need but I'll continue to call him and others out when deserved.

[Jadoogar]

We need to trade Walter ASAP.

Try to extract a second round pick for him.

He's a terrible basketball player with no real upside.

At least Darko had the sense to pull him lol Dick and Battle are both much better options

we have too many middling backup guards. Need to move someone for a backup center.
I agree, move Walter before he loses that "recent first round pick" appeal.

[JCP11]

That was an extremely boring watch. Between the refs calling everything, a sub par opponent and a generally lacklustre effort this felt like a preseason game. Anyway happy with the win.

Most games against the East is going to feel like this lol.

Even Pacers are brutal showing how few players can carry a team. Siakam can’t carry a team as he’s showing after all the talk we had in here last season due to his success on a good team. The Raptors should be in the pack trying to get homecourt in the playoffs this year.

Pascal is missing Myles Turner a lot.

[KG1585]

Raps seemed like they had too much fun in NYC. Were going half speed most of the game. Terrible game to watch though with the lack of effort until the end and all the cheap fouls refs kept calling.

[Kingsway_fan]

Pacers just got smoked by Jazz. They must be tanking. Don’t think their defences are this bad without Turner.

Just look at how bad the Pacers are without Haliburton, and uh... Turner, and Nembhard, and Mathurin, oh, and Toppin. That's how great Haliburton actually is, oh wait, also McConnell. Their entire playoff rotation has been decimated.

TJ is playing. Nembhard too.

Pacers fans hated Mauthrin and Turner lol, hopefully they see how foolish that hate was.

Indeed. Can't understate how valuable a solid Centre is... as we found out when YAK was unavailable....

They dropped the ball on Turner.... now they are playing roulette with the lottery.

[Supermann98]

RJ with the 6/21 was ass but the rest of the team, especially Quickly, handled the light-work Nets.

[MiamiSPX]

I find more and more this board succumbs to the No True Scotsman fallacy. Everything is measured against an idealized standard and anything else is 'mid' and 'mediocre'. We are not 'true contenders'. So-and-so is not a 'true #1 option'. And all of this is proclaimed with an aspect of definitive foresight where future outcomes and the ceiling of the players and the team are assured.

In this one, we beat the Nets by 10 points. We didn't trail since about the 9:30 mark in the second quarter. And yet to read the PG it's presented as if this was an L for the team. Truly bizarre.

Post of the year.

Because our goal is to compete this year, I think many inexplicably thought we would jump out to an 8-3 record and anything less is an abject failure. We look a million times better than we have the last 2 seasons and yet there are calls to trade Barnes asap (despite no team ever trading their best player 11 games into the season when they have a good relationship and he didn't ask out).

Beat the Nets by 10? Not good enough, should have beat them by 20.
Point out that 2 of our 3 highest paid players led the way? But RJ!
Bring up that Barnes has been our best overall player? No!! He's not true #1, why haven't they traded him?

Not telling anyone how to be a fan (I hate when others do that), but I do genuinely wonder why some even follow this team. It's like they "hate watch" them.