With the 57th pick, the Raptors select Ulrich Chomche

CoinTossRoss31 · Post #801 » by **CoinTossRoss31** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:34 pm

14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

anotherhomer · Post #802 » by **anotherhomer** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:39 pm

CoinTossRoss31 wrote:14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

it feels like he most likely be a serge ibaka type player

sbsat · Post #803 » by **sbsat** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:45 pm

I'm getting excited -- the progress he's making in such a short period of time is quite impressive

Psubs · Post #804 » by **Psubs** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:06 pm

CoinTossRoss31 wrote:14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

Watch on YouTube

Psubs · Post #805 » by **Psubs** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:10 pm

anotherhomer wrote:
CoinTossRoss31 wrote:14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

it feels like he most likely be a serge ibaka type player

Giannis lite

dagger · Post #806 » by **dagger** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:22 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:I wanna see him used more on the actual roster. I doubt he's much worse than Fernando.

Just throw the kid into the fire, what do we have to lose?

They have a plan and it is best that they stick with it until such time as they decide that the plan is holding him back. I don;t see that yet.

Naysorn · Post #807 » by **Naysorn** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:27 pm

Ulrich Chomche is the nine tailed beast of the raptors

He hasn’t fully been summoned yet but best believe when he does he’s gonna be elite

Has the highest upside of all players on this team with the exception of maybe Scottie B

deck · Post #808 » by **deck** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:30 pm

hype_2004 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:I wanna see him used more on the actual roster. I doubt he's much worse than Fernando.

Just throw the kid into the fire, what do we have to lose?

His progression? You don't try to teach someone quantum mechanics when they are still learning calculus.

TorontoBarneys · Post #809 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:38 pm

Gotta be very patient and methodical with this guy. He's only 19. Let him develop in the g-league this season. Maybe give him some garbage minutes in the last couple months of the season... maybe. Just let him do his thing. He's super raw still.

He will be a beast in a few years.

Psubs · Post #810 » by **Psubs** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:47 pm

Naysorn wrote:Ulrich Chomche is the nine tailed beast of the raptors

He hasn’t fully been summoned yet but best believe when he does he’s gonna be elite

Has the highest upside of all players on this team with the exception of maybe Scottie B

He has a higher ceiling than Scottie just based on being 6'11 in shoes. If Ulrich can grow just 1 more inch he'll match the Giannis physical profile and has a limitless ceiling to be Giannis with 3pt shooting.

Thaddy · Post #811 » by **Thaddy** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:51 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Gotta be very patient and methodical with this guy. He's only 19. Let him develop in the g-league this season. Maybe give him some garbage minutes in the last couple months of the season... maybe. Just let him do his thing. He's super raw still.

He will be a beast in a few years.

I disagree. We should be tanking and giving him live minutes for 4-5 games straight. Then you send him down to the GLeague so he can get reps there. It's like trying a max bench press and failing, then dropping 25% of the weight and crushing it. I want to see Chomche in extended minutes against at least bench level NBA talent.

In March I'm hoping we see:

Mogbo / Chomche
Barnes / Omoruyi
Barrett / Agbaji / Battle (signed)
Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead

Then I assume we get bare bone pieces back for Poeltl / Olynyk / Brown / Mitchell and Boucher but mostly picks ranging from 2027 - 2031. That'll be our contention window when we would be buyers so if we have assets to be able to fill our needs that would be good.

Thaddy · Post #812 » by **Thaddy** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:58 pm

deck wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:I wanna see him used more on the actual roster. I doubt he's much worse than Fernando.

Just throw the kid into the fire, what do we have to lose?

His progression? You don't try to teach someone quantum mechanics when they are still learning calculus.

Welcome to the world of bootcamps. I work in the QM field and to be honest you don't need a really strong calculus background, there are parts of calc that are completely unrelated. I would honestly say that most of the educated Canadian population is capable of learning most professions on the job.

Chomche has baseline skills, he can defend his position, play help defense, and he can rebound. If he can't score or shoot it's a problem but he won't be leaking points like Barrett and Dick do (rank top 10 in worst defenders in the NBA).

If we're playing GD we can play Chomche.

deck · Post #813 » by **deck** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:59 pm

Thaddy wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:Gotta be very patient and methodical with this guy. He's only 19. Let him develop in the g-league this season. Maybe give him some garbage minutes in the last couple months of the season... maybe. Just let him do his thing. He's super raw still.

He will be a beast in a few years.

I disagree. We should be tanking and giving him live minutes for 4-5 games straight. Then you send him down to the GLeague so he can get reps there. It's like trying a max bench press and failing, then dropping 25% of the weight and crushing it. I want to see Chomche in extended minutes against at least bench level NBA talent.

In March I'm hoping we see:

Mogbo / Chomche
Barnes / Omoruyi
Barrett / Agbaji / Battle (signed)
Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead

Then I assume we get bare bone pieces back for Poeltl / Olynyk / Brown / Mitchell and Boucher but mostly picks ranging from 2027 - 2031. That'll be our contention window when we would be buyers so if we have assets to be able to fill our needs that would be good.

This is likely a bad approach. Remove tanking from the equation. If we are concerned with the best progression path for Chomche, a year in the g-league is almost certainly best.

This idea that 'throwing someone into the fire' is a good thing for progression is misguided. The last thing you want is for a young, raw player like Chomche to feel they don't belong playing at this level.

ForeverTFC · Post #814 » by **ForeverTFC** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:02 pm

Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Thaddy · Post #815 » by **Thaddy** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:06 pm

ForeverTFC wrote:Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

YogurtProducer · Post #816 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:10 pm

Thaddy wrote:
deck wrote:
hype_2004 wrote:
Just throw the kid into the fire, what do we have to lose?

His progression? You don't try to teach someone quantum mechanics when they are still learning calculus.

Welcome to the world of bootcamps. I work in the QM field and to be honest you don't need a really strong calculus background, there are parts of calc that are completely unrelated. I would honestly say that most of the educated Canadian population is capable of learning most professions on the job.

Chomche has baseline skills, he can defend his position, play help defense, and he can rebound. If he can't score or shoot it's a problem but he won't be leaking points like Barrett and Dick do (rank top 10 in worst defenders in the NBA).

If we're playing GD we can play Chomche.

Come on man. Dick has legit NBA skills.

Chomche right now is a future possibility. But he certainly doesn't belong anywhere near an NBA floor and without two-ways, he would be a classic G-League guy who gets a 10-day maybe towards April.

If Chomche was an NBA level defender he would have seen minutes. There is really nothing to suggest thus far he is.

Let him just grow, and towards the end of the year he will get his minutes. LIkely another year of G-League next year too.

Thaddy · Post #817 » by **Thaddy** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:14 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
deck wrote:
His progression? You don't try to teach someone quantum mechanics when they are still learning calculus.

Welcome to the world of bootcamps. I work in the QM field and to be honest you don't need a really strong calculus background, there are parts of calc that are completely unrelated. I would honestly say that most of the educated Canadian population is capable of learning most professions on the job.

Chomche has baseline skills, he can defend his position, play help defense, and he can rebound. If he can't score or shoot it's a problem but he won't be leaking points like Barrett and Dick do (rank top 10 in worst defenders in the NBA).

If we're playing GD we can play Chomche.

Come on man. Dick has legit NBA skills.

Chomche right now is a future possibility. But he certainly doesn't belong anywhere near an NBA floor and without two-ways, he would be a classic G-League guy who gets a 10-day maybe towards April.

If Chomche was an NBA level defender he would have seen minutes. There is really nothing to suggest thus far he is.

Let him just grow, and towards the end of the year he will get his minutes. LIkely another year of G-League next year too.

https://craftednba.com/player-traits/replacement

Set the filter for minimum 200 minutes played and then hit Ctrl + F and enter "TOR |"

We have 5 players in the top 50 ranking for worst players in the league bro. It's headlined by Shead (#2) and Gradey (#21).

Other notables are Battle (#28), Mitchell (#35), and Barrett (#47).

The young guys are okay, maybe they'll pull themselves out of there but RJ and Davion are vets. We can't develop garbage into valuable assets.

gp2015 · Post #818 » by **gp2015** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:24 pm

Thaddy wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

Drafting him.

Zeno · Post #819 » by **Zeno** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:31 pm

gp2015 wrote:
Thaddy wrote:
ForeverTFC wrote:Masai and co still have PTSD about how they went about doing this with Caboclo. They will not rush this.

Where exactly did they go wrong with Bruno?

Drafting him.

I disagree. I will always believe there was an nba player in there. If we had a g-league team from the start and he only came up with his confidence built up, I think he could have had a solid career in the Chris Boucher range or perhaps better. The throwing them into the fire style is not always a great idea.

ArthurVandelay · Post #820 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:31 pm

CoinTossRoss31 wrote:14 pts / 13 REB / 6 BLK / 3 PF in the last 905 game and just a reminder the kid is younger than most college freshman this year.

Nice to have him stored in the background and I'm excited to see what kind of impact he can have for the main squad once he's 21/22

Thanks for that!

Nice pick-me-up on a Friday.