Portland #3 trade rumors part 2

Son Goku 25 · Post #961 » by **Son Goku 25** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:04 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:

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Pascal wants to remain a Raptor for life.

Probably wants to leave now but to another place not Portland

ATLTimekeeper · Post #962 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:05 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:The downside of waiting until the offseason. Still 2 years left on their contracts becomes 1 year left (an expiring deal). 29 years old becomes almost 30. Same deals can be made since deadline? Hmmm.

We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

Siakam wasn't on the market at the deadline. Were you asleep?

TorontoBarneys · Post #963 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:06 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:The downside of waiting until the offseason. Still 2 years left on their contracts becomes 1 year left (an expiring deal). 29 years old becomes almost 30. Same deals can be made since deadline? Hmmm.

We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

Siakam wasn't on the market at the deadline. Were you asleep?

There's nothing indicating that was a certainty, and that's beside the point anyway. Is Siakam more valuable as a trade piece now than he was in February?

ItsDanger · Post #964 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:07 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:The downside of waiting until the offseason. Still 2 years left on their contracts becomes 1 year left (an expiring deal). 29 years old becomes almost 30. Same deals can be made since deadline? Hmmm.

We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

"Patience" "Winning" "Internal Growth" He needs to shake up the lingo.

Yeezus_ · Post #965 » by **Yeezus_** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:10 pm

Why would Pascal agree to an extension with the Blazers if they end up being mid and then Dame asks out? lol. What player actually guarantees an extension? Though they do usually they end up re-signing because they can offer the most money.

Post #966 » by **Duffman100** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:12 pm

niQ wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
DG88 wrote:Hold on so Portland can't trade the 3rd pick until after they make their selection correct? Since they traded their 2024 pick.

Correct

once that clock starts its going to be mayhem lol

Interesting. If Charlotte really selects Brandon Miller, Realgm might crash after the Portland pick

noticed that realgm has done a better job stability wise. Crashes don't happen as often it seems.

ConSarnit · Post #967 » by **ConSarnit** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:12 pm

Scizzup wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
BHF wrote:
Wrong, number do lie, Pascal was the first option and stat padding while Bam was the second to Butler and sometimes even the 3rd option on offence. I doubt that there are any teams in the NBA and that's including the Raptors organization that would take Pascal over Bam. I cant believe that this is even a debate

well i doubt Bam would be even remotely effective as a 1st option. he's pretty one dimensional on offense.

why does 1st option on offense matter for either players? neither are top 20 offensive players(impact) in the league.

Bam is more valuable than Pascal overall because he is far superior defensively at a position which allows more lineups outputs out there. Pascal is better than Bam on offense obviously but he is just not that great of an offensive player even if he is playing of a better offensive player. He just is never going to be that efficient of a scorer due to his shot diet and pull up ability. Impact stats would say FVV been the best offensive player on this team last 2 years btw.

I think Bam with Lillard > Lillard/Pascal personally due to him doing a lot of **** Dray does for Curry on offense (screening/short roll playrmaker, relocation passing). Pat wouldn't trade him though.

Where are you seeing this? Last year (first half of season) we had the worst half-court offense in the league by far when Siakam was off the floor.

Rockets half-court: 89.3 off rtg (29th in league)

Raptors without Siakam: 83.9 off rtg

With Siakam we were really bad. Without Siakam we were one of the worst offensive half-court teams of all-time.

ATLTimekeeper · Post #968 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:13 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
ATLTimekeeper wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

Siakam wasn't on the market at the deadline. Were you asleep?

There's nothing indicating that was a certainty, and that's beside the point anyway. Is Siakam more valuable as a trade piece now than he was in February?

No clue. According to one report Atlanta has offered anyone other than Trae Young for him, so at the very least DeAndre Hunter or DeJounte Murray return looks like what they could have gotten in February. I don't think Portland would have hypothetically traded the 3rd overall pick in February for Siakam without assurance that he'd re-sign, if we're following the ball here.

Clutch0z24 · Post #969 » by **Clutch0z24** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:13 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:

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Pascal wants to remain a Raptor for life.

Makes sense...You have to be gutsy to trade such assets away for a guy who can just leave you after 1 year....Especially Scoot + Simons who both would have long term deals....If Siakam does not agree to resign with Blazers the deal is dead....

We will really just lose FVV and add the 13th pick in the offseason and expect things to be different? Terrible...Especially with zero draft pick...

Yeezus_ · Post #970 » by **Yeezus_** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm

ItsDanger wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:The downside of waiting until the offseason. Still 2 years left on their contracts becomes 1 year left (an expiring deal). 29 years old becomes almost 30. Same deals can be made since deadline? Hmmm.

We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

"Patience" "Winning" "Internal Growth" He needs to shake up the lingo.

How would you possibly know if his value is higher now in the off-season vs. February at the trade deadline when you have no idea what the trade discussions are? Why exactly are you complaining without having all the information available?

StopitLeo · Post #971 » by **StopitLeo** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:15 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:Why would Pascal agree to an extension with the Blazers if they end up being mid and then Dame asks out? lol. What player actually guarantees an extension? Though they do usually they end up re-signing because they can offer the most money.

Chris Paul when he was traded to Houston?

Syd-TK3 · Post #972 » by **Syd-TK3** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:17 pm

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Dame liked this tweet

Yeezus_ · Post #973 » by **Yeezus_** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:19 pm

StopitLeo wrote:
Yeezus_ wrote:Why would Pascal agree to an extension with the Blazers if they end up being mid and then Dame asks out? lol. What player actually guarantees an extension? Though they do usually they end up re-signing because they can offer the most money.

Chris Paul when he was traded to Houston?

Sure but that was how long ago now? I don't think it's the norm for players to "agree" to a contract extension when they have more than a year remaining on the deal. Scenario is different when you have 2 months with the team at the deadline, there is slightly more clarity and you know your market value at that point.

MiamiSPX · Post #974 » by **MiamiSPX** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:21 pm

If Portland trades for PG or Zion instead of Siakam, then they deserve whatever happens as a result, which will assuredly not be good.

ItsDanger · Post #975 » by **ItsDanger** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:21 pm

Yeezus_ wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
We were assured that his value would be higher this offseason compared to February. Were we lied to?

"Patience" "Winning" "Internal Growth" He needs to shake up the lingo.

How would you possibly know if his value is higher now in the off-season vs. February at the trade deadline when you have no idea what the trade discussions are? Why exactly are you complaining without having all the information available?

Time. Complaining? I'm just observing the status quo situation with the roster.

HumbleRen · Post #976 » by **HumbleRen** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:21 pm

Siakam, FVV and Poeltl got Masai in a choke hold Lmaooo.

Our FO really fell off.

douggood · Post #977 » by **douggood** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:23 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Siakam, FVV and Poeltl got Masai in a choke hold Lmaooo.

Our FO really fell off.

short 4 year contract, every player have teams in choke hold.

and now its even earlier, 1 year before expiry players asking for extensions or trade.

Bruin · Post #978 » by **Bruin** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:24 pm

I was told it makes no difference if we tried to trade our upcoming expiring in the offseason vs at the deadline months ago. Masai truly is washed sadly

TorontoBarneys · Post #979 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:29 pm

HumbleRen wrote:Siakam, FVV and Poeltl got Masai in a choke hold Lmaooo.

Our FO really fell off.

It really does seem that way. I see nothing but mediocrity on the horizon.

KL78192020 · Post #980 » by **KL78192020** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 4:30 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:
Portland wants OG and Siakam for # 3
Toronto wants # 3 and Sharpe for Siakam only

That's why nothing will happen

Maybe? Who knows really.

Would be fun if this was all transparent.

Both posturing right now

I think its more likely the Blazer’s said no. Why would they trade a good asset for Siakam who can just get up and leave next summer. Would be embarrassing for them. Same issue with OG.