Trade Deadline Rumours & Discussion Thread III (Thurs Feb 9 3pm)

[Boogie!]

https://www.tsn.ca/lewenberg-toronto-raptors-could-benefit-from-aggressive-post-kyrie-trade-market-at-deadline-1.1915913

Spoiler:

“Prior to completing the Irving trade on Monday, the Nets approached Toronto with the possibility of expanding the deal, sources confirmed to TSN, but the belief is that scenario – which would’ve sent VanVleet to Brooklyn in exchange for Dinwiddie and draft capital – never gained much traction.
While the Nets don’t have the quality or quantity of assets that some of those teams out West do, they can shop the 2029 unprotected pick they just received from Dallas, as well as Dinwiddie or Finney-Smith, though neither can be packaged with other players in a deal. They’re expected to be among the league’s most active teams ahead of Thursday’s deadline, so this isn’t the last time the Raptors will hear from them between now and then.
Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster figure to be very popular over the coming days.For what it’s worth, they’ve been telling interested teams that if they don’t like what’s out there this week or if they’re not ready to make a big move, they’re willing to wait and play out the season. As TSN reported last month, the sense throughout the association has been that Ujiri’s preference is to retool around the core he built and believes in, as opposed to breaking it up and launching a full rebuild.
According to one league source, the Raptors have been reluctant to seriously engage with offers for Siakam and also don’t seem eager to move Anunoby, who’s under contract through next season. Where they might be feeling more urgency is with VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr., who are expected to opt for free agency this summer and will be seeking big raises.”

Interesting that Lewenberg is saying that Masai and Co. Ate not thrilled with offers so far and are ok with holding onto OG and Siakam. Fred and Trent would be the most likely traded due to contract status. Lewenberg has been used as a mouthpiece for the FO before.

This is so gross. Maybe they think they can pull a Lowry again with achiuwa not being available mid season but became available in the offseason with the sign and trade. Tbh, I don't see any team realistically offering fvv the money he wants and to me thats not a risk worth taking. Dinwiddie and some first round picks is good for me. They probably want Claxton too. If I'm the Nets though, Claxton Dinwiddie and some picks for a star pg is a steal

Legit this FO needs to be canned if they just sit on their hands & do nothing then run the risk of losing a guy for nothing or having to overpay him & turn this into one of the most expensive treadmill teams of all time. I don't buy they're not getting good offers when every report contradicts that. It would just show cowardice, they've been beyond reluctant to let go despite how painfully obvious how limited of a ceiling they have but it appears at times they only care about the floor and Playoff revenues.

As for trading FVV to BKN, for me the target should be Cam Thomas, not Claxton.

BKN will still want to keep Claxton to compete now anyways & Cam is such a natural replacement to come in and takeover that scoring production long term & likely surpass it as he's a legit bucket getter. We already have a bunch of long defenders, time to bring
in more skills.

It's not cowardice to me it's just overvaluation. Like they think these guys are way better than they are.

The only legitimate star talent they have on this team is siakam and potentially Barnes. That's it. And even siakam is still best as a 2nd option. Og, fvv, are being severely overrated by the organization and if teams want them now because they're desperate for their services, then now is the best time to unload them. I understand not wanting to be ripped off either, but there's also an addition by subtraction element...

On paper was the talent we got for Rudy gay equal value? HeLl no... a bunch of scrub role players... but guess what they flourished here because they had specific roles and they balanced the team out better... we got rid of our selfish star iso happy basketball and allowed other players to flourish and allowed them to play as a team... it sounds all too familiar to me.

[bballsparkin]

I doubt it but man, if Brooklyn would move Claxton + for Siakam that would be amazing. I don't think they would want to move him though given they have no replacement and he's key to their defense.

I think it would have to be a three-team deal where they move Simmons contract to someone else to make it work.

To TOR:
DAL FRP 2029
BRK FRP 2023 (25th)
MIA FRP 2023 (21st)
Sharpe (2.1M)
Thomas (2.1M)
Lowry (28.3M)

To BRK:
Siakam (35M)

To MIA:
Simmons (35M)

Reason for MIA:
Get out from Lowry's contract which has been a disappointment, and get a piece who can help them now.

Reason for Brooklyn:
Dump Simmons who does not fit their roster or system and get a piece that can help them now in theory.

Reason for Raptors:
It's complicated. the transaction works in the trade machine but value-wise it seems like a bunch of just ok pieces for Pascal. Raptors bring Lowry home for a farewell tour while we retool-rebuild, and then we have cap space in a year. Get a couple of intriguing young players in Cam and Sharpe (who was Scottie's teammate), and a couple of late FRP in an intriguing draft, plus a wild card Marvericks pick for later.

Hmm, , looks pretty bad.

[SurgeIblocka]

This is how I feel the conversations went today with Masai and Marks

Marks: I hear you may be open to trading Fred we would be interested. What are your thoughts on Spencer and Pick for Fred?

Masai ( Bobby in background ) : You know i dont get fleeced in trades, we have an All star point guard who we would love to re-sign. You have seen what he did in our championship run and even got a vote for finals MVP. You must be kidding if you think Spencer comes close to Fred’s value. Now that boy you have there in Claxton would interest us. What are your thoughts?

Marks: Well no Masai we could not give up Claxton for Fred, especially since Fred is an expiring. Now if your interested in Claxton we would consider a package around Claxton and picks for Pascal.


*** Click ***

*** Dead Ring tone ***

Marks: Hellooo Masai you there?


Masai to Bobby : Fk Brooklyn!!!!!


Few minutes later: League announces Kyrie Irving Trade completed.

[C_Money]

Masai definitely overrates our players which is partly why we’re in this mess to begin with. The fact that OG is untouchable is hilarious to me. Reminds me of Colangelo and Anthony Parker.

[Harcore Fenton Mun]

The Nets situation is kind of like the the Clippers calling up OKC. Just the Nets have less assets.

[Revived]

OG would be a great fit in Dallas next to Luka tbh

For who? Josh Green and Jaden Hardy plus salary fillers?

Can still trade 2 1sts
25 and 27
(As long as Dallas pick conveys to nyk this year)

Did you see how Green and Hardy looked tonight against a West playoff team? Idk if they would even trade them out for OG.

[Los_29]

For who? Josh Green and Jaden Hardy plus salary fillers?

Can still trade 2 1sts
25 and 27
(As long as Dallas pick conveys to nyk this year)

Did you see how Green and Hardy looked tonight against a West playoff team? Idk if they would even trade them out for OG.

Of course they would.

[SurgeIblocka]

Fred on a contender is a great asset. I dont think Masai over values him. Fred needs an Alpha player to be above him on a team to keep him in check. Thats when he can be at his best. I can see Fred doing really well on Nets, Clippers, Lakers , Suns etc. as soon as you put him on a young team or you make him a defacto leader things get to his head and he thinks hes mighty mouse. So for Masai, Fred should hold a lot of value if he's trading him to a contender. He shouldn’t be just traded for a low draft pick years away and salary filler. Fred just doesnt fit our team, that doesn’t make him a bad commodity in a trade.

[ItsDanger]

Thomas, Hardy go off tonight and people still want to overpay Trent? LOL

[Mark_83]

I doubt it but man, if Brooklyn would move Claxton + for Siakam that would be amazing. I don't think they would want to move him though given they have no replacement and he's key to their defense.

I think it would have to be a three-team deal where they move Simmons contract to someone else to make it work.

To TOR:
DAL FRP 2029
BRK FRP 2023 (25th)
MIA FRP 2023 (21st)
Sharpe (2.1M)
Thomas (2.1M)
Lowry (28.3M)

To BRK:
Siakam (35M)

To MIA:
Simmons (35M)

Reason for MIA:
Get out from Lowry's contract which has been a disappointment, and get a piece who can help them now.

Reason for Brooklyn:
Dump Simmons who does not fit their roster or system and get a piece that can help them now in theory.

Reason for Raptors:
It's complicated. the transaction works in the trade machine but value-wise it seems like a bunch of just ok pieces for Pascal. Raptors bring Lowry home for a farewell tour while we retool-rebuild, and then we have cap space in a year. Get a couple of intriguing young players in Cam and Sharpe (who was Scottie's teammate), and a couple of late FRP in an intriguing draft, plus a wild card Marvericks pick for later.

Hmm, , looks pretty bad.

If you actually read that's what I said. Outside of Claxton there's not much I want from Brooklyn. That's pretty much the best I could do with any other pieces.

[PhilBlackson]

This is so gross. Maybe they think they can pull a Lowry again with achiuwa not being available mid season but became available in the offseason with the sign and trade. Tbh, I don't see any team realistically offering fvv the money he wants and to me thats not a risk worth taking. Dinwiddie and some first round picks is good for me. They probably want Claxton too. If I'm the Nets though, Claxton Dinwiddie and some picks for a star pg is a steal

Legit this FO needs to be canned if they just sit on their hands & do nothing then run the risk of losing a guy for nothing or having to overpay him & turn this into one of the most expensive treadmill teams of all time. I don't buy they're not getting good offers when every report contradicts that. It would just show cowardice, they've been beyond reluctant to let go despite how painfully obvious how limited of a ceiling they have but it appears at times they only care about the floor and Playoff revenues.

As for trading FVV to BKN, for me the target should be Cam Thomas, not Claxton.

BKN will still want to keep Claxton to compete now anyways & Cam is such a natural replacement to come in and takeover that scoring production long term & likely surpass it as he's a legit bucket getter. We already have a bunch of long defenders, time to bring
in more skills.

It's not cowardice to me it's just overvaluation. Like they think these guys are way better than they are.

The only legitimate star talent they have on this team is siakam and potentially Barnes. That's it. And even siakam is still best as a 2nd option. Og, fvv, are being severely overrated by the organization and if teams want them now because they're desperate for their services, then now is the best time to unload them. I understand not wanting to be ripped off either, but there's also an addition by subtraction element...

On paper was the talent we got for Rudy gay equal value? HeLl no... a bunch of scrub role players... but guess what they flourished here because they had specific roles and they balanced the team out better... we got rid of our selfish star iso happy basketball and allowed other players to flourish and allowed them to play as a team... it sounds all too familiar to me.

I simply don't buy the "overvaluation" nonsense, that's the excuse, not the reason.

There's already been tons of reports of GREAT offers especially as it pertains to OG. They said before this whole road trip started that Masai is looking for ANY reason to keep them together?! WHY???? A "core" that missed the Playoffs then overachieved ala the initial Randle Knicks....now finds themselves back in the lottery with the "upside" of an ass kicking in the 1st round again, there's no excuse for it other than safety and that they feel confident they can get MLSE their Playoff money. Just like this bs trade for Thad that cost us one Kessler, Nembhard or heck Branham...they just wanted to save a buck to get under the lux tax & put a little bit in to make a lot more money in the Playoffs, let's call a spade a spade because suddenly all the "vet leadership" doesn't mean sh*t this year lol.

The NBA is a business at it's core and nothing better than all the Playoff money from tickets, merch & sponsorship. That's THE only reason to sticking with them. The "better" safe than sorry cowardice. Of course I hope this isn't true that they will stand pat and that it's all merely a negotiation tactic to make teams create even stronger trade packages but if they do, it's not overvaluation, it's about profitability.

[Brinbe]

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[sprockets]

Ya'll need to chill. There is a tonne of smokescreen and misinformation out there by design to help negotiate.

[bballsparkin]

If you actually read that's what I said. Outside of Claxton there's not much I want from Brooklyn. That's pretty much the best I could do with any other pieces.

Even with Claxton I don't like it. None of the picks are looking that great.

[Boogie!]

Legit this FO needs to be canned if they just sit on their hands & do nothing then run the risk of losing a guy for nothing or having to overpay him & turn this into one of the most expensive treadmill teams of all time. I don't buy they're not getting good offers when every report contradicts that. It would just show cowardice, they've been beyond reluctant to let go despite how painfully obvious how limited of a ceiling they have but it appears at times they only care about the floor and Playoff revenues.

As for trading FVV to BKN, for me the target should be Cam Thomas, not Claxton.

BKN will still want to keep Claxton to compete now anyways & Cam is such a natural replacement to come in and takeover that scoring production long term & likely surpass it as he's a legit bucket getter. We already have a bunch of long defenders, time to bring
in more skills.

It's not cowardice to me it's just overvaluation. Like they think these guys are way better than they are.

The only legitimate star talent they have on this team is siakam and potentially Barnes. That's it. And even siakam is still best as a 2nd option. Og, fvv, are being severely overrated by the organization and if teams want them now because they're desperate for their services, then now is the best time to unload them. I understand not wanting to be ripped off either, but there's also an addition by subtraction element...

On paper was the talent we got for Rudy gay equal value? HeLl no... a bunch of scrub role players... but guess what they flourished here because they had specific roles and they balanced the team out better... we got rid of our selfish star iso happy basketball and allowed other players to flourish and allowed them to play as a team... it sounds all too familiar to me.

I simply don't buy the "overvaluation" nonsense, that's the excuse, not the reason.

There's already been tons of reports of GREAT offers especially as it pertains to OG. They said before this whole road trip started that Masai is looking for ANY reason to keep them together?! WHY???? A "core" that missed the Playoffs then overachieved ala the initial Randle Knicks....now finds themselves back in the lottery with the "upside" of an ass kicking in the 1st round again, there's no excuse for it other than safety and that they feel confident they can get MLSE their Playoff money. Just like this bs trade for Thad that cost us one Kessler, Nembhard or heck Branham...they just wanted to save a buck to get under the lux tax & put a little bit in to make a lot more money in the Playoffs, let's call a spade a spade because suddenly all the "vet leadership" doesn't mean sh*t this year lol.

The NBA is a business at it's core and nothing better than all the Playoff money from tickets, merch & sponsorship. That's THE only reason to sticking with them. The "better" safe than sorry cowardice. Of course I hope this isn't true that they will stand pat and that it's all merely a negotiation tactic to make teams create even stronger trade packages but if they do, it's not overvaluation, it's about profitability.

Maybe you're right to an extent but based on what I've seen and heard from the front office it's not about selling playoff tickets. Overvaluation isn't the excuse. It's the attitude that you want fvv? He's an allstar snd you have to give us all star return. If we don't get that, we're not moving him. Like I said they think everyone is worth more than they are. They think fvv can still be a championship type pg. They think og has star potential. They think too highly of their guys that they'd rather wait on the risk of them blowing up than give them up for pieces they don't deem worthy enough for them.

We're sort of saying the same thing but I truly don't think their motivations are first round playoffs. They just still think these guys are championship level players. It's a delusion more than anything else.

[SurgeIblocka]

Legit this FO needs to be canned if they just sit on their hands & do nothing then run the risk of losing a guy for nothing or having to overpay him & turn this into one of the most expensive treadmill teams of all time. I don't buy they're not getting good offers when every report contradicts that. It would just show cowardice, they've been beyond reluctant to let go despite how painfully obvious how limited of a ceiling they have but it appears at times they only care about the floor and Playoff revenues.

As for trading FVV to BKN, for me the target should be Cam Thomas, not Claxton.

BKN will still want to keep Claxton to compete now anyways & Cam is such a natural replacement to come in and takeover that scoring production long term & likely surpass it as he's a legit bucket getter. We already have a bunch of long defenders, time to bring
in more skills.

It's not cowardice to me it's just overvaluation. Like they think these guys are way better than they are.

The only legitimate star talent they have on this team is siakam and potentially Barnes. That's it. And even siakam is still best as a 2nd option. Og, fvv, are being severely overrated by the organization and if teams want them now because they're desperate for their services, then now is the best time to unload them. I understand not wanting to be ripped off either, but there's also an addition by subtraction element...

On paper was the talent we got for Rudy gay equal value? HeLl no... a bunch of scrub role players... but guess what they flourished here because they had specific roles and they balanced the team out better... we got rid of our selfish star iso happy basketball and allowed other players to flourish and allowed them to play as a team... it sounds all too familiar to me.

I simply don't buy the "overvaluation" nonsense, that's the excuse, not the reason.

There's already been tons of reports of GREAT offers especially as it pertains to OG. They said before this whole road trip started that Masai is looking for ANY reason to keep them together?! WHY???? A "core" that missed the Playoffs then overachieved ala the initial Randle Knicks....now finds themselves back in the lottery with the "upside" of an ass kicking in the 1st round again, there's no excuse for it other than safety and that they feel confident they can get MLSE their Playoff money. Just like this bs trade for Thad that cost us one Kessler, Nembhard or heck Branham...they just wanted to save a buck to get under the lux tax & put a little bit in to make a lot more money in the Playoffs, let's call a spade a spade because suddenly all the "vet leadership" doesn't mean sh*t this year lol.

The NBA is a business at it's core and nothing better than all the Playoff money from tickets, merch & sponsorship. That's THE only reason to sticking with them. The "better" safe than sorry cowardice. Of course I hope this isn't true that they will stand pat and that it's all merely a negotiation tactic to make teams create even stronger trade packages but if they do, it's not overvaluation, it's about profitability.

What constitutes a great offer? Is it because the opposing teams that want our players think its a great offer? You don’t even know what offers have been made other than the three crappy first rounders from the Knicks.


I don’t buy this at all. Masai has time on his hands with regards to OG and Pascal. How would OG feel if Fred is gone, would he want to stay, would he play better with a passing point guard. Would Pascal attract better offers in the summer, could a star become available in the next year. These are all reasons a shrewed GM would not just dump assets for draft picks like the Presti’s of the world do. He can still get picks later for OG and Pascal if no star comes up, but to just trade them for draft picks and tank the next few years is not in his DNA unless he has no choice. He won’t just trade his biggest assets because the entire league wants him to.

If it was Colangelo in this situation right now he probably would have traded the entire team for Gobert last year to save his ass.

Just look at at when he was in Denver and Carmelo wanted out, he didnt let the league push him around he got what set that team up to be where they are now.

[PhilBlackson]

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If only Cam saved this for POST trade deadline after we had traded FVV for him lol I legit would think his past couple of performances could sway them from putting him on the table unless it's OG or Pascal.

[SurgeIblocka]

Lol go look at Cams stats for the year. I can’t believe you guys are salivating over Cam **** Thomas. hahaha this board will never change. Probably same people who thought Terrence Davis and Charlie V would be the next Lebron or Jordon

[WaltFrazier]

https://www.tsn.ca/lewenberg-toronto-raptors-could-benefit-from-aggressive-post-kyrie-trade-market-at-deadline-1.1915913

“Prior to completing the Irving trade on Monday, the Nets approached Toronto with the possibility of expanding the deal, sources confirmed to TSN, but the belief is that scenario – which would’ve sent VanVleet to Brooklyn in exchange for Dinwiddie and draft capital – never gained much traction.
While the Nets don’t have the quality or quantity of assets that some of those teams out West do, they can shop the 2029 unprotected pick they just received from Dallas, as well as Dinwiddie or Finney-Smith, though neither can be packaged with other players in a deal. They’re expected to be among the league’s most active teams ahead of Thursday’s deadline, so this isn’t the last time the Raptors will hear from them between now and then.
Raptors president Masai Ujiri and general manager Bobby Webster figure to be very popular over the coming days.For what it’s worth, they’ve been telling interested teams that if they don’t like what’s out there this week or if they’re not ready to make a big move, they’re willing to wait and play out the season. As TSN reported last month, the sense throughout the association has been that Ujiri’s preference is to retool around the core he built and believes in, as opposed to breaking it up and launching a full rebuild.
According to one league source, the Raptors have been reluctant to seriously engage with offers for Siakam and also don’t seem eager to move Anunoby, who’s under contract through next season. Where they might be feeling more urgency is with VanVleet and Gary Trent Jr., who are expected to opt for free agency this summer and will be seeking big raises.”


Interesting that Lewenberg is saying that Masai and Co. Ate not thrilled with offers so far and are ok with holding onto OG and Siakam. Fred and Trent would be the most likely traded due to contract status. Lewenberg has been used as a mouthpiece for the FO before.

This is great news. Keep Siakam and OG, trade Fred to Brooklyn or wherever the best offer is. Work on getting a younger quick playmaking guard to replace Fred. Then add more for next year.

Eric Smith on Fan590 tonight said much the same as Lewenberg, with less details. Won't be surprised if we don't move OG.

[DelAbbot]

Thomas, Hardy go off tonight and people still want to overpay Trent? LOL

Masai: we love Gary's professional attitude since Nurse benched him