PrinceAli wrote:billy_hoyle wrote:PrinceAli wrote:You’re discounting Halburton because his team isn’t good, but in reality the Kings had a better record than us last year and their record is nearly identical to ours right now
Haliburton has the potential to become an even better defensive player than Fred and he’s actually a PG in a SG body while Fred is more of a SG in a PG body. He’s already a great playmaker and shooter and is only just 21. I project as being a multiple time all star and he fits the identity of being big and versatile at every position. He can play on both and off ball
Siakam is great, I have no issues with him. But he’s not a great fit and the most ideal return for him is a high level prospect. No point in moving Siakam for a guy who’s on the same timeline as Fred and Pascal when we should be focusing primarily on the OG and Scottie timeline
You might be higher on Fred than I am, but I don’t like him as a primary PG and having him run the offense. He’s a great player, but nor a great fit for the role we need him to play
If Haliburton was attainable I’d trade anyone but Scottie and OG for him
I don't know man, Pascal has been a 2nd team all nbaer. Does Haliburton reach those heights? As 10giz said, it's easier to find guards, harder to find Swiss Army knife forwards.
GTJ is only 22. Putting up some nice numbers, and defensive stats. Is Haliburton that much of an upgrade?
Well Halburton wouldn’t be brought here to replace Trent. He’d be brought here to be the PG of the future
And yes Pascal is an All NBAer but with Barnes the fit isn’t great. And if we were to move Pascal I’d rather it be for a great young prospect to fit Scottie rather than to trade him for a guy around the same age
I definitely think Haliburton could become a top 5 PG by the time he’s 25
Listen man, Halliburton's a nice young player, but you have absolutely nothing to back up that ridiculous claim other than what? Efficiency on low volume on a bad team? His size? Versatility?
Being a top 5 PG in the NBA over the last 20 years has essentially meant you're a HOFer so if that's what you're predicting, I dunno what to tell you, but nah.
Dejounte is putting up 18/7/7 and might be in the 18-24 range. Maxey is putting up 18/5/4 with even less turnovers while actually helping his team win. He can be better than both and still not sniff the top 15-18.
Doncic, Trae, Lamelo, Fox, Ja, Murray, Shai, Lavine, Cole, Dejounte, Maxey, Garland, Sexton, Cade, Suggs...not to mention 3 years from now, Curry, Dame, Kyrie, Russell, Brogdon, Jrue, FVV will all still be playing and probably better. Now, I'm not saying it's impossible Haliburton becomes a top 5 PG, but it is very hard to see IMO.
Not only that, but how can you, or anyone for that matter, be qualified to say "the fit isn't great". Are you a coach, scout? We're 15 games into the season trying to completely redevelop our system, chemistry and timing and you think that there's been enough evidence to say they don't fit? It's been 4 games. Specifically, what is so off with the fit that you think cannot be fixed over time?
Teams aren't beating us. We are beating ourselves. Defence is timing, trust, repetitions and feel. That will only come with time. The fact that offence isn't the problem is a great sign. We literally have arguably a top 3-5 defender at each position of our starting lineup.
Siakam is having his most efficient season so far while putting up his typical career stats. Barnes is doing his thing. OG, Fred and Trent too. Be patient man, it'll take another 4-8 weeks. Trust the team/coach/FO.
This team is much, much better than both of these that won 59 and 56 games respectively. We currently have exponentially more scoring, athleticism, playmaking and most importantly, defence. That's not even touching the fact that we went from Casey to a unanimously respected top 3 coach currently.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2016.htmlhttps://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2018.htmlIt's actually crazy just to see. I'm really excited for this team. The East is very weak IMO outside of MIA and MIL. BK too but they're just an injury to either of those 2 from completely being gone.
Let it breathe man.