Pacers Trade No. 23 Pick To Pelicans To Reclaim Own 2026 First-Rounder

Kreamy · Post #1 » by **Kreamy** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:39 am

Didn't see this posted here. Brilliant move by the Pacers regaining control of their picks. They basically traded Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, picks #19 and #29 in 2025, and pick #23 this year for Pascal Siakam.

ForeverTFC · Post #2 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:43 am

I would have personally kept the pick if I was the Pels. Pacers need as little salaries incoming as possible this off-season, so makes a ton of sense for them to push the pick. I'm surprised the Pels couldn't get at least a 2nd out of it too.

Siakam for Ingram,Ochai, Walter, Shead, and a 2nd. Is that the end of the Siakam deal or am I missing something?

ArthurVandelay · Post #3 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:44 am

And the Raptors traded Siakam for BI, Ochai, Ja’Kobe, and a TPE that helped get Shead and the Blazers 2025 2nd

Win-win

Congrats to both teams

Kreamy · Post #4 » by **Kreamy** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:46 am

Blazers 2nd this year and Lakers 2nd next year if you consider Davion Mitchell a byproduct of the Siakam trade.

Kreamy · Post #5 » by **Kreamy** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:47 am

Biggest losers are the Pelicans who basically traded Ingram for Brown, Olynyk and the 23rd pick in this year's draft.

HangTime · Post #6 » by **HangTime** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:48 am

The story of the Pascal trade matrix started with the Raptors helping out the Pelicans to get under the tax line, by getting them to salary dump Kira Lewis to the Pacers.

We get Brandon the the next trade deadline

This is just round out the entire deal, which started in early February 2024.

Zeno · Post #7 » by **Zeno** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:50 am

It is a bad start for Dumars that he couldn’t get a litlle something extra thrown on top for doing this. The just gave the Pacers flexibility and the removal of downside risk for basically free.

HangTime · Post #8 » by **HangTime** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:51 am

Zeno wrote:It is a bad start for Dumars that he couldn’t get a litlle something extra thrown on top for doing this. The just gave the Pacers flexibility and the removal of downside risk for basically free.

Just last year the Pacers helped the Pelicans duck the tax.
I think this is them returning the favour.

Post #9 » by **Duffman100** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:52 am

Could you imagine this board if our FO traded Ingram for the 23rd overall pick?

Zeno · Post #10 » by **Zeno** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:54 am

HangTime wrote:
Zeno wrote:It is a bad start for Dumars that he couldn’t get a litlle something extra thrown on top for doing this. The just gave the Pacers flexibility and the removal of downside risk for basically free.

Just last year the Pacers helped the Pelicans duck the tax.
I think this is them returning the favour.

They did that without compensation?

Jerry Lucas · Post #11 » by **Jerry Lucas** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:04 am

Pelicans are basically betting that the Pacers 2026 FRP will be 23rd overall or worse. It's risky if the Pacers were to have a season from hell next year though.

HangTime · Post #12 » by **HangTime** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:06 am

Zeno wrote:
HangTime wrote:
Zeno wrote:It is a bad start for Dumars that he couldn’t get a litlle something extra thrown on top for doing this. The just gave the Pacers flexibility and the removal of downside risk for basically free.

Just last year the Pacers helped the Pelicans duck the tax.
I think this is them returning the favour.

They did that without compensation?

I think the Raptors got the ball rolling.
They got Pelicans under the cap by trading Kira Lewis at the cost of a 2nd rounder for Indiana.

Indiana uses him as salary filler to send to us.

Our end goal was Ingram all along, and I think we got alot more than we thought.

This trade right now is to, unofficially, complete the agreement.

bballsparkin · Post #13 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:13 am

Jerry Lucas wrote:Pelicans are basically betting that the Pacers 2026 FRP will be 23rd overall or worse. It's risky if the Pacers were to have a season from hell next year though.

Maybe they like players who will be available at #23.

Zeno · Post #14 » by **Zeno** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:21 am

HangTime wrote:
Zeno wrote:
HangTime wrote:
Just last year the Pacers helped the Pelicans duck the tax.
I think this is them returning the favour.

They did that without compensation?

I think the Raptors got the ball rolling.
They got Pelicans under the cap by trading Kira Lewis for a 2nd rounder from Indiana.

Indiana uses him as salary filler to send to us.

Our end goal was Ingram all along, and I think we got alot more than we thought.

This trade right now is to, unofficially, complete the agreement.

I think those kinds of things may build a relationship but I am skeptical that you can draw such a straight line or that this was all some grand scheme to get Ingram from the beginning. Even if you are doing a favour, you still need to be properly compensated in my opinion.

navyblue · Post #15 » by **navyblue** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:33 am

ArthurVandelay wrote:And the Raptors traded Siakam for BI, Ochai, Ja’Kobe, and a TPE that helped get Shead and the Blazers 2025 2nd

Win-win

Congrats to both teams

Davion Mitchell was flipped for another second as well.

Psubs · Post #16 » by **Psubs** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:53 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Jerry Lucas wrote:Pelicans are basically betting that the Pacers 2026 FRP will be 23rd overall or worse. It's risky if the Pacers were to have a season from hell next year though.

Maybe they like players who will be available at #23.

I could see them going Maluach and Walter Clayton Jr. or Ben Saraf. Or go with Fears, then a big with #23.

Pointgod · Post #17 » by **Pointgod** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 3:34 am

We basically traded Siakam for 3 picks in the 20’s. Pacers make out like bandits here plus they save money to resign Miles Turner.

Don’t know what the **** the Pelicans are doing. I know they could be trying to move up to grab Ace but I’d think having the Pacers pick next year is more valuable than the 23rd this year.

sidsid · Post #18 » by **sidsid** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:01 am

Just on the due diligence front, doing the trade now when you can just wait until the end of the finals is simply malpractice.

If Haliburton's potential injury ends up in the worst case scenario with what's left of the finals, he could be out for a significant amount of next season. No reason to do it now

ForeverTFC · Post #19 » by **ForeverTFC** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:28 am

Pointgod wrote:We basically traded Siakam for 3 picks in the 20’s. Pacers make out like bandits here plus they save money to resign Miles Turner.

Don’t know what the **** the Pelicans are doing. I know they could be trying to move up to grab Ace but I’d think having the Pacers pick next year is more valuable than the 23rd this year.

That’s what a lot of these trades with lots of picks become.

The haul the Lakers gave up for Davis? All they have to show for it now is Murray and this pick.

TGM · Post #20 » by **TGM** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 9:28 am

[quote="Kreamy"]Didn't see this posted here. Brilliant move by the Pacers regaining control of their picks. They basically traded Bruce Brown, Jordan Nwora, picks #19 and #29 in 2025, and pick #23 this year for Pascal Siakam.[/quote]

Pacers know they are also going to be finishing a lot lower next year and the pick might even be closer to the mid-teens.

I'm not sold on this Pacers team at all. This is just a stretch of adrenaline. Kind of like JImmy B with the Heat a few years ago. Hali also has a history of leg injuries. Hali goes down and this team is completely mortal. I think no Hali, they might not be a playoff team. With Hali they are like a 6-8th seed team.