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Post#101 » by TNJazz » Fri Nov 4, 2022 2:50 pm

mg wrote:Lauri disappeared a bit down the stretch last night against the Mavs.

He's really good but not a #1 franchise player. More like a #2B type. Danny has enough ammo to eventually bring in an alpha. Sucks it couldn't be Don but it is what it is.


I enjoyed DM when he was with the Jazz, bright face, loved how he embraced the community, competitive spirit, then he got caught up in the spectacle of hero ball and domination at the end of games. Many time the end of games were either won or lost based pong how he produced and the number of complaints about hero ball were many.

I love what Markkanen and the other new faces have brought to this team and I especially love how Clarkson has become a much more complete basketball player this year.Energy is high, passion is there and team basketball is a joy to watch for me, so while I understand why you say you wish it were Don, I don't think that would have happened if he were still on this team, not a slight, just my observation.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

Post#102 » by Inigo Montoya » Fri Nov 4, 2022 4:05 pm

Cappy_Smurf wrote:Utah has enough picks to trade for 2 star-level players right now. They have the ability to build this team up, whether they tank or not, so I don't see how we can predict their ceiling. If this team is capable of sneaking into the playoffs as is, we are in an infinitely better position than trying to build from the middle without all those picks.

I'm not anti-tanking, and IMO Utah's biggest mistake in my lifetime was their failure to move Millsap and Jefferson at the right time because they wanted to sneak into an 8th seed just to get murdered by the Spurs. Having said that, they are absolutely in a position where they have options as to which direction they take. The percentages just aren't significant enough to demand they tank right out of the gate. I guarantee they are hesitant to do that because bottoming out like that can easily turn into a hole that could take 5-10 years to dig out of, if not longer. The league really did take away a lot of the incentive to tank when they lowered the percentages for the bottom teams.


That's a fair point. I've really enjoyed watching this team so far and when I look at the situation in a glass-half-full way, I say to myself that if this team gets to the playoffs and then bounced in the first round, it pretty much achieved the same results as the previous team, only this team is much younger, will have better cap flexibility going forward, and it has many assets to trade (both players and draft picks), whereas the previous team had none other than Gobert and Mitchell.

But what bothers me is that if there ever was a perfect situation to tank, it was this season. We blew up our core, were expected to be a bottom feeder, the fanbase was finally on board with the tank, and the #1 pick is supposed to be a generational talent while the #2 pick would be the #1 pick in any other year. We couldn't ask for better circumstances. What worries me, other than missing on this opportunity, is that we've already been through "the Jazz have plenty of assets to make a trade" phase with the previous front office, and we all see how it turned out, and Ainge also experienced it with the Celtics, where he found it hard to turn all his assets into stars after a certain point.

To conclude, I'll say that it's all well and good that we have all those draft picks, and Ainge did a great job in that regard, but we are also in a position to take our fate in our own hands and make our own destiny by tanking, instead of hoping the future picks of other teams will turn out well for us. Obviously, there is no guarantee we'd get a top 2 pick, but it's a numbers game. I'll take 14% chance at the #1 pick and a 27% chance at a top 2 pick than zero percent chance at those picks by making the playoffs this season, when it's obvious this team, as much as I like it, is not a contender. It's not that I'd advocate to do this every season, but if there ever was a time to do it, it was this season.
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Re: Utaz Jazz acquire Lauri Markkanen from Cleveland Cavaliers 

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Post#104 » by FranchisePlayer » Sat Nov 5, 2022 6:45 pm

The kid is playing on a whole different role and level compared to his days in Cleveland and especially Chicago.
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Post#105 » by Axolotl » Tue Nov 8, 2022 3:50 pm

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Post#106 » by Taikuri » Wed Nov 9, 2022 3:27 pm

TNJazz wrote:and I especially love how Clarkson has become a much more complete basketball player this year.Energy is high, passion is there and team basketball is a joy to watch for me, so while I understand why you say you wish it were Don, I don't think that would have happened if he were still on this team, not a slight, just my observation.


Compared to Clarkson's previous seasons' stats so far he has doubled the amount of assists per game for this season (from 2.5 assists to over 5 assists), so the team basketball part you mentioned seems to be true based on that. His minutes per game is just 3 minutes higher compared to last season.
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Post#109 » by AingesBurner » Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:34 am

Lauri Malone… I mean Karl Markkanen… dammit I mean Lauri Markkanen has been a beast.
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Post#111 » by vryadli » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:37 pm

Comparison of LM play in Bulls and for Hardy shows that the certain combination of coaches and ball hogs can make huge difference for potentially star-level players.

And that especially true for bigger guys and especially on offence. So it was also true for AK and is true for Gobert. I'd very much like to see how Hardy or Popovich would use them...
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Post#112 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:40 pm

Thank god for Eurobasket. Holly Rowe asked Coach Hardy whether he had any idea that Markkanen could be this good when the Jazz traded for him, and he said no, but then he carefully watched every Markkanen game at Eurobasket and concluded that Markkanen could be a much more impactful NBA player than he has been so far.

This was the 9/1 headline at NBA.com, prior to Eurobasket, when the Jazz traded Mitchell. Markkanen wasn't even mentioned in the NBA.com headline about the trade:

Cavs acquire Donovan Mitchell in blockbuster trade with Jazz
The dynamic 25-year-old guard heads to Cleveland, while Collin Sexton joins Utah via a sign-and-trade deal.
https://www.nba.com/news/donovan-mitchell-traded-to-cavs
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Post#113 » by Crunch 99 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 3:20 pm

stitches wrote:People were right - we should have picked the Knicks offer... if we wanted to tank that is. Lauri is single-handedly killing our tank... he's like the Javelin of our tank.


Hey Stitches, When I first came to Real GM in January 2017, I remember that you were big on Lauri Markkanen in draft threads. I just did a search of Markkanen in your post history and you have three pages of posts beginning in 2016 analyzing Markkanen's college game and NBA potential that were pretty prescient.

Markkanen has only had 13 games on this Jazz team that is trying to liberate Markkanen to be all he can be, but what do you think of him now and what do you think is his ceiling? I am thinking that this team with Markkanen as the leading scorer, combined with lots of depth, combined with growth of Kessler and Sexton and combined with a few tweaks from picks and trades, could develop in to a good playoff team and legitimate title contender for the 2023-24 season. I am optimistically assuming that veteran Conley can be good for one more season of good play and exceptional leadership.
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Post#114 » by PaKii94 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 5:29 pm

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stitches wrote:People were right - we should have picked the Knicks offer... if we wanted to tank that is. Lauri is single-handedly killing our tank... he's like the Javelin of our tank.


Hey Stitches, When I first came to Real GM in January 2017, I remember that you were relentlessly promoting Lauri Markkanen in draft threads. I just did a search of Markkanen in your post history and see you have three pages of posts beginning in 2016 analyzing Markkanen's college game and NBA potential that were pretty prescient.

Markkanen has only had 13 games on this Jazz team that is trying to liberate Markkanen to be all he can be, but what do you think of him now and what do you think is his ceiling? I am thinking that this team with Markkanen as the leading scorer, combined with lots of depth, combined with growth of Kessler and Sexton and combined with a few tweaks from picks and trades, could develop in to a good playoff team and legitimate title contender for the 2023-24 season. I am optimistically assuming that veteran Conley can be good for one more season of good play and exceptional leadership.



If you want some background on Lauri. Here is some stuff I wrote for the bulls-

Year 1&2 recap & year 3 predictions:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481

Year 3 recap:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1947141

Year 4 recap: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=92756873#p92756873
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Post#115 » by pickIBL » Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:43 pm

Larry Second Amendment is not messing around. See we have sticky on this now hehe. Hmmmm did the Jazz win the trade?
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Post#116 » by FranchisePlayer » Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:13 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:Thank god for Eurobasket. Holly Rowe asked Coach Hardy whether he had any idea that Markkanen could be this good when the Jazz traded for him, and he said no, but then he carefully watched every Markkanen game at Eurobasket and concluded that Markkanen could be a much more impactful NBA player than he has been so far.

This was the 9/1 headline at NBA.com, prior to Eurobasket, when the Jazz traded Mitchell. Markkanen wasn't even mentioned in the NBA.com headline about the trade:

Cavs acquire Donovan Mitchell in blockbuster trade with Jazz
The dynamic 25-year-old guard heads to Cleveland, while Collin Sexton joins Utah via a sign-and-trade deal.
https://www.nba.com/news/donovan-mitchell-traded-to-cavs


LMAO. Must have been some idiot from the Bulls fan base behind that news.

I swear, what the Russians are doing to Ukraine is just a pale comparison to the amount of beating Lauri was given in the Bulls forum. "He doesn't have handle, he's a soft injury prone Euro, he can't take advantage of mismatches, below average in defense..."

There isn't a top prospect the Bulls' organisation can't kill.
MrSparkle wrote:I don't see a scenario here or there where Lauri becomes the "7-pick we thought he could be." If you remove his 3P ability, he's worse than Felicio by a mile.

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Post#117 » by FranchisePlayer » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:53 pm

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stitches wrote:People were right - we should have picked the Knicks offer... if we wanted to tank that is. Lauri is single-handedly killing our tank... he's like the Javelin of our tank.


Hey Stitches, When I first came to Real GM in January 2017, I remember that you were relentlessly promoting Lauri Markkanen in draft threads. I just did a search of Markkanen in your post history and see you have three pages of posts beginning in 2016 analyzing Markkanen's college game and NBA potential that were pretty prescient.

Markkanen has only had 13 games on this Jazz team that is trying to liberate Markkanen to be all he can be, but what do you think of him now and what do you think is his ceiling? I am thinking that this team with Markkanen as the leading scorer, combined with lots of depth, combined with growth of Kessler and Sexton and combined with a few tweaks from picks and trades, could develop in to a good playoff team and legitimate title contender for the 2023-24 season. I am optimistically assuming that veteran Conley can be good for one more season of good play and exceptional leadership.



If you want some background on Lauri. Here is some stuff I wrote for the bulls-

Year 1&2 recap & year 3 predictions:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481

Year 3 recap:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1947141

Year 4 recap: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=92756873#p92756873


Hi PaKii! Send my best regards to all of the Lauri haters on Bulls' forum. Very poor talent observation on their part.

Plus I recently read the Bulls had handed a long list to Lauri of the things he wasn't allowed to do on the court plus they instructed him to bulk up. *SMH*

I know you're a Bulls fan and my intention is definitely not to get under your skin, but realistically, the Bulls won't be a contender with this current regime. They just don't have the wit to achieve that.
MrSparkle wrote:I don't see a scenario here or there where Lauri becomes the "7-pick we thought he could be." If you remove his 3P ability, he's worse than Felicio by a mile.

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Post#118 » by PaKii94 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:35 am

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Hey Stitches, When I first came to Real GM in January 2017, I remember that you were relentlessly promoting Lauri Markkanen in draft threads. I just did a search of Markkanen in your post history and see you have three pages of posts beginning in 2016 analyzing Markkanen's college game and NBA potential that were pretty prescient.

Markkanen has only had 13 games on this Jazz team that is trying to liberate Markkanen to be all he can be, but what do you think of him now and what do you think is his ceiling? I am thinking that this team with Markkanen as the leading scorer, combined with lots of depth, combined with growth of Kessler and Sexton and combined with a few tweaks from picks and trades, could develop in to a good playoff team and legitimate title contender for the 2023-24 season. I am optimistically assuming that veteran Conley can be good for one more season of good play and exceptional leadership.



If you want some background on Lauri. Here is some stuff I wrote for the bulls-

Year 1&2 recap & year 3 predictions:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481

Year 3 recap:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1947141

Year 4 recap: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=92756873#p92756873


Hi PaKii! Send my best regards to all of the Lauri haters on Bulls' forum. Very poor talent observation on their part.

Plus I recently read the Bulls had handed a long list to Lauri of the things he wasn't allowed to do on the court plus they instructed him to bulk up. *SMH*

I know you're a Bulls fan and my intention is definitely not to get under your skin, but realistically, the Bulls won't be a contender with this current regime. They just don't have the wit to achieve that.



Oh yeah the current version of the bulls is going nowhere. It's broken. Luckily the jazz have stepped up to satisfy my basketball craving. Hopefully the vets don't get traded. I want to see how far this team can get
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Post#119 » by Crunch 99 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:58 pm

PaKii94 wrote:
If you want some background on Lauri. Here is some stuff I wrote for the bulls-

Year 1&2 recap & year 3 predictions:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481

Year 3 recap:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1947141

Year 4 recap: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=92756873#p92756873


Thanks for your recaps. They've got me a little bit worried whether he will sustain his good play, but I think he has at least crossed one hurdle to get himself viewed as a legit 20 ppg scorer by the coaching staff and teammates. Maybe his biggest potential risk now would be more of those nagging injuries that set him back in the past. Another risk would be if the Jazz were to trade Conley. Conley makes sure to get Markkanen involved.

PaKii94 wrote:Oh yeah the current version of the bulls is going nowhere. It's broken. Luckily the jazz have stepped up to satisfy my basketball craving. Hopefully the vets don't get traded. I want to see how far this team can get.


I want to see how far this Jazz team can go too. Interestingly enough, prior to the season, Zach Lowe ranked the Jazz as the least fun team to watch, and now 13 games in, we've got lots of Real GMers listing the Jazz as their number two team to watch.
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Post#120 » by FranchisePlayer » Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:02 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
If you want some background on Lauri. Here is some stuff I wrote for the bulls-

Year 1&2 recap & year 3 predictions:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=78164481#p78164481

Year 3 recap:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1947141

Year 4 recap: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=92756873#p92756873


Thanks for your recaps. They've got me a little bit worried whether he will sustain his good play, but I think he has at least crossed one hurdle to get himself viewed as a legit 20 ppg scorer by the coaching staff and teammates. Maybe his biggest potential risk now would be more of those nagging injuries that set him back in the past. Another risk would be if the Jazz were to trade Conley. Conley makes sure to get Markkanen involved.

PaKii94 wrote:Oh yeah the current version of the bulls is going nowhere. It's broken. Luckily the jazz have stepped up to satisfy my basketball craving. Hopefully the vets don't get traded. I want to see how far this team can get.


I want to see how far this Jazz team can go too. Interestingly enough, prior to the season, Zach Lowe ranked the Jazz as the least fun team to watch, and now 13 games in, we've got lots of Real GMers listing the Jazz as their number two team to watch.


Ain't that the truth! For years I wanted Markkanen to have an experienced PG beside him. From what I've seen, Conley has been a perfect fit.

I've seen SGA's name thrown around as a future Jazz but I'm definitely not sure if that would be an upgrade move to Markkanen's play. ATM I'm thinking not. What you say?
MrSparkle wrote:I don't see a scenario here or there where Lauri becomes the "7-pick we thought he could be." If you remove his 3P ability, he's worse than Felicio by a mile.

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