12/16 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (96) - (111) New York Knicks

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Player(s) of the Game

Paul George | 18 PTS (6-14 FG, 4-7 3P), 9 REB, 4 AST
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Andre Roberson | 6 PTS (3-7 FG), 5 REB, 2 BLK
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10%
Russell Westbrook | 25 PTS (9-18 FG), 7 REB, 7 AST
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38%
Patrick Patterson | 12 PTS (4-6 FG, 4-6 3P), 5 REB, 2 STL, 2 BLK
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43%
Raymond Felton | 10 PTS (4-8 FG), 2 AST
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10%
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Post#21 » by Osirus89 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:53 am

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It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.


Mayberry isn't the best person to use in this instance. He was very critical of the team when KD was still here. He has always been a bit of a pessimist, even reaching insufferable levels at times. Why is he even commenting on OKC anyway ? The bulls have won 5 games in a row. Wouldn't analyzing that be a better usage of his time than criticizing a team from afar? I almost never see Anthony slater tweet about OKC. :dontknow:
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Post#22 » by spearsy23 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:58 am

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It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.


Mayberry isn't the best person to use in this instance. He was very critical of the team when KD was still here. He has always been a bit of a pessimist, even reaching insufferable levels at times. Why is he even commenting on OKC anyway ? The bulls have won 5 games in a row. Wouldn't analyzing that be a better usage of his time than criticizing a team from afar? I almost never see Anthony slater tweet about OKC. :dontknow:

I don't recall him ever being this forward, though this is the first year I've been active on Twitter.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
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Post#23 » by Osirus89 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:10 am

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spearsy23 wrote:It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.


Mayberry isn't the best person to use in this instance. He was very critical of the team when KD was still here. He has always been a bit of a pessimist, even reaching insufferable levels at times. Why is he even commenting on OKC anyway ? The bulls have won 5 games in a row. Wouldn't analyzing that be a better usage of his time than criticizing a team from afar? I almost never see Anthony slater tweet about OKC. :dontknow:

I don't recall him ever being this forward, though this is the first year I've been active on Twitter.


Yeah, he hasn't been this outward with it as far as social media. Before it was mostly like jabs and backhanded compliments that he would make on podcasts. I remember a bunch of old Thunder Buddies podcasts where he railed on Durant and Westbrook for being bad defenders. Russ already hates him and Tramel anyway, but its going to be amusing the next time Chicago plays OKC if Russ even acknowledges his existence. Lucky for him OKC has played Chicago both times already.
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Re: 12/16 - POSTGAME | Oklahoma City Thunder (96) - (111) New York Knicks 

Post#24 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:15 am

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Pillendreher wrote:Unshackled Darnell

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It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.

That’s true but Presti can’t control the national media and they are all over OKC. The moves Presti made this offseason garnered national attention and virtually all of the media echo what Darnell says.

On a side note, how much access is really given to the thunder writers that aren’t critical? Maybe they can ask Russ about his fashion endeavors.
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Post#25 » by bondom34 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:10 am

In the most shocking news of the century (sarcasm), I agree with spearsy on everything. Didn't expect a win, not mad. I don't really expect much at this point, expectations aren't what they were.
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Post#26 » by Pillendreher » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:08 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:I think some people need to adjust their expectations at this point.

If our recent play is now considered 'normal', then we should blow it up because we'll be below 500 by the end of the season.

We're under .500 right now. Our recent play is certainly our current normal. Expecting that to change without actually changing anything is just blind hope.


Then at least we're in agreement there.
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Post#27 » by Pillendreher » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:42 pm

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At least now they're talking about it. Donovan's complete reluctance to actually give Patterson meaningful minutes has been a very underrated story so far.

EDIT: One worrisome aspect of this - it sounds like there is very little guidance coming from the coaching staff. You're 29 games into the season and ppl still don't know what they're supposed to do apparently.
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Post#28 » by Old Man Game » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:10 pm

Bill doh would probably start Grant or Huestis before Patterson. It's like pulling teeth trying to get him to see the obvious.
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Post#29 » by Old Man Game » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:14 pm

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At least Darnell not making excuses for all this bs like Royce.

He is 110% correct. It's like we've all collectively forgotten that this team was supposed to be a top two or three team in the West. this performance is pathetic and appalling. And whether Melo is advanced in age and not the player he once was or Russ is somewhat injured or not, they should be better than this, they should be more consistent then this, their offense shouldn't look this disjointed especially by this point in the season.
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Post#30 » by slick_watts » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:22 pm

embarrassing loss. even more embarrassing is thunder fans continuing to rationalize failure.
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Post#31 » by Pillendreher » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:56 pm

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At least Darnell not making excuses for all this bs like Royce.

He is 110% correct. It's like we've all collectively forgotten that this team was supposed to be a top two or three team in the West. this performance is pathetic and appalling. And whether Melo is advanced in age and not the player he once was or Russ is somewhat injured or not, they should be better than this, they should be more consistent then this, their offense shouldn't look this disjointed especially by this point in the season.


You either have to concede that this whole thing has been a massive turd and blow it up, or hold this team accountable. 35 % into the season and we're still below .500, yet barebly beating G-League squads is supposed to be 'good.'.
Over the last 9 games, our NetRtG is -2.8. If you dismiss the losses to the Knicks and the Hornets, we're looking at a total raw +/- of +16 over 7 games. That's - on average - roughly one field goal per game which makes the difference in those games. We went 6-1, yet with those slim margins, this could easily have been 4-5 or even worse. Yet we are told to pretend that things are coming around for us. They're not.
Offensively, we've bene hovering at 102-103 ORtG as a team which is good for being a bottom 5 offense. Over the last month and a half, we're 27th in ORtG. Defensively, we've hovered around 100-101 pp100p allowed, which is excellent. Yet if that gives just by 1 or 2 pp100p, we will be in a lot more trouble. All season long, we have been unable to match good offensive performances by opposing teams. We've allowed > 105 DRtG 12x and are 2-10 in those games. 2 seasons ago, we allowed > 105 pp100p 32x and won 17 of those games. Relatively to the talent on the roster, we are the worst offense in the league, period. And I don't see that suddenly changing. The team has been talking about it for weeks, yet the performance on the floor has always been the same.
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Post#32 » by Old Man Game » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:59 pm

My big question is whether Presti has the balls to go ahead and trade George. Can't have him leave for nothing. Not much reason to expect him to stay and you might not be able to afford him anyway (unless Melo opts out). I hate to ask it because I really like his game but gimme a draft pick or something versus the nothing we'll get in the summer.
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Post#33 » by Old Man Game » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:07 pm

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spearsy23 wrote:
Pillendreher wrote:Unshackled Darnell

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It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.

That’s true but Presti can’t control the national media and they are all over OKC. The moves Presti made this offseason garnered national attention and virtually all of the media echo what Darnell says.

On a side note, how much access is really given to the thunder writers that aren’t critical? Maybe they can ask Russ about his fashion endeavors.


I always wonder that as well. Like, I have no doubt Royce knows more than he can report. But if he can't report it, what's the point?
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Post#34 » by spearsy23 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:15 pm

Old Man Game wrote:
Knrstz wrote:
spearsy23 wrote:It's not coincidence that he waited until he moved to do this. It's obvious the writers feel they won't be given access if they're too critical.

That’s true but Presti can’t control the national media and they are all over OKC. The moves Presti made this offseason garnered national attention and virtually all of the media echo what Darnell says.

On a side note, how much access is really given to the thunder writers that aren’t critical? Maybe they can ask Russ about his fashion endeavors.


I always wonder that as well. Like, I have no doubt Royce knows more than he can report. But if he can't report it, what's the point?

I think he said he would write a book about the Durant years when everyone is farther removed from it.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.

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