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oreojenkins wrote:spearsy23 wrote:I'd be willing to take a chance on Wiggins if it meant okogie and a pick. Not trying to win it doesn't matter if Wiggins isn't actually good, you have to have one guy willing to iso anyway.
I don't care if the players are bad or overpaid necessarily. I think Wiggins is soft and I don't want him around. And four more years is something I'd prefer to avoid unless no other options are out there.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
Dadouv47 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:Hello Thunder fans,
Yes Barry Jackson is credible and Miami does have interest in Westbrook. I'm not sure how serious they are though. Do you guys have any idea what OKC is expecting for Westbrook?
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
They can't trade Herro.
oreojenkins wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:Hello Thunder fans,
Yes Barry Jackson is credible and Miami does have interest in Westbrook. I'm not sure how serious they are though. Do you guys have any idea what OKC is expecting for Westbrook?
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
Lilseb93 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:Hello Thunder fans,
Yes Barry Jackson is credible and Miami does have interest in Westbrook. I'm not sure how serious they are though. Do you guys have any idea what OKC is expecting for Westbrook?
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
Miami won't destroy their front court by trading Bam (and they think he's going to be major stud) and I think Herro is going to be really important for them off the bench. I think everyone else is on the table. They would definitely trade Winslow in a heartbeat if it meant Westbrook.
“If you're getting stops and you're making threes and the other team's not scoring, that's when you're going to see a huge point difference there,” coach Billy Donovan said.
spearsy23 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:spearsy23 wrote:I'd be willing to take a chance on Wiggins if it meant okogie and a pick. Not trying to win it doesn't matter if Wiggins isn't actually good, you have to have one guy willing to iso anyway.
I don't care if the players are bad or overpaid necessarily. I think Wiggins is soft and I don't want him around. And four more years is something I'd prefer to avoid unless no other options are out there.
Soft is nonsense.
spearsy23 wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
Miami won't destroy their front court by trading Bam (and they think he's going to be major stud) and I think Herro is going to be really important for them off the bench. I think everyone else is on the table. They would definitely trade Winslow in a heartbeat if it meant Westbrook.
It would have to include one of herro/bam and reduced protections
Old Man Game wrote:spearsy23 wrote:Old Man Game wrote:Have just spent the last 15 minutes watching SGA highlights on Youtube. I think I'm actually pretty excited for him. Almost like getting 6 first round picks with the guarantee that you've hit on one of them with a decent player.
I think bigger Conley is a likely scenario.
I could sort of see it. Real big kid. In an earlier era he might have been a SG or even a SF. Pretty shifty with the dribble though and appears able to get to the rim. Nice bounce. Looks like he's got tons of potential on defense given that wingspan.
Lilseb93 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:Hello Thunder fans,
Yes Barry Jackson is credible and Miami does have interest in Westbrook. I'm not sure how serious they are though. Do you guys have any idea what OKC is expecting for Westbrook?
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
Miami won't destroy their front court by trading Bam (and they think he's going to be major stud) and I think Herro is going to be really important for them off the bench. I think everyone else is on the table. They would definitely trade Winslow in a heartbeat if it meant Westbrook.
wco81 wrote:Old Man Game wrote:spearsy23 wrote:I think bigger Conley is a likely scenario.
I could sort of see it. Real big kid. In an earlier era he might have been a SG or even a SF. Pretty shifty with the dribble though and appears able to get to the rim. Nice bounce. Looks like he's got tons of potential on defense given that wingspan.
To be honest, when I watched him play against the Warriors, I wasn't as impressed as Clippers fans, who see a very high ceiling for him, like a perennial all star.
But they've certainly watched more of him than I have and he is very young.
I didn't see explosiveness or shiftiness against the Warriors. Most of the time he tried to force his way into the lane or to the rim, pushing off with his off arm rather than using dribble moves to separate from the defender.
He could push off against smaller guys but not when wings like Klay were on him. He could be crafty against slower big men but a lot of times, he didn't shoot, passed it when his initial move, the push off, was stymied. But it's good that he didn't force shots, which kept up his shooting percentage.
Honestly, I thought of a more slender, younger Jarret Jack.
I think he'll be a good player but don't see being an all star multiple times. But he is very young so he could develop more, grow more.
slick_watts wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:oreojenkins wrote:
I would expect Dragic + Herro + filler whether it be JJ or Waiters + removing the protections off the pick you owe us. Maybe a little more in the way of draft comp but not sure as I have no idea how much teams are willing to give up for him. I'm sure it ranges from something decent to nothing at all. But that's the gist. I don't expect it to be all of Herro, Bam, Winslow, and picks.
Miami won't destroy their front court by trading Bam (and they think he's going to be major stud) and I think Herro is going to be really important for them off the bench. I think everyone else is on the table. They would definitely trade Winslow in a heartbeat if it meant Westbrook.
miami's cap situation makes it difficult to build a trade involving winslow. johnson + dragic gets close to westbrook's salary on its own but not close enough. miami would need to finish the trade below the apron if it occurs after the butler sign and trade is complete, no?
if herro were off the table, i'm not sure there's a trade that makes sense. okc can't exactly take back unlimited # of players back for westbrook, either. i suppose i would do dragic + winslow + johnson for westbrook + roberson? with the protections removed on the pick miami owes. this is almost equal salaries both ways. i'm not even sure i like it.
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
Dadouv47 wrote:slick_watts wrote:Lilseb93 wrote:
Miami won't destroy their front court by trading Bam (and they think he's going to be major stud) and I think Herro is going to be really important for them off the bench. I think everyone else is on the table. They would definitely trade Winslow in a heartbeat if it meant Westbrook.
miami's cap situation makes it difficult to build a trade involving winslow. johnson + dragic gets close to westbrook's salary on its own but not close enough. miami would need to finish the trade below the apron if it occurs after the butler sign and trade is complete, no?
if herro were off the table, i'm not sure there's a trade that makes sense. okc can't exactly take back unlimited # of players back for westbrook, either. i suppose i would do dragic + winslow + johnson for westbrook + roberson? with the protections removed on the pick miami owes. this is almost equal salaries both ways. i'm not even sure i like it.
As I proposed in the Miami subforum, we could look into a Westbrook+Grant trade in order to get more value in return. They could use a player like Grant that is a bit underpaid with their lack of depth and having to take Westbrook big salary.
slick_watts wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:slick_watts wrote:
miami's cap situation makes it difficult to build a trade involving winslow. johnson + dragic gets close to westbrook's salary on its own but not close enough. miami would need to finish the trade below the apron if it occurs after the butler sign and trade is complete, no?
if herro were off the table, i'm not sure there's a trade that makes sense. okc can't exactly take back unlimited # of players back for westbrook, either. i suppose i would do dragic + winslow + johnson for westbrook + roberson? with the protections removed on the pick miami owes. this is almost equal salaries both ways. i'm not even sure i like it.
As I proposed in the Miami subforum, we could look into a Westbrook+Grant trade in order to get more value in return. They could use a player like Grant that is a bit underpaid with their lack of depth and having to take Westbrook big salary.
if grant were included i would for sure want herro in return. westbrook + grant = ~$48m. you'd have to come close to matching that outgoing to make it viable for us and miami.
Dadouv47 wrote:slick_watts wrote:Dadouv47 wrote:
As I proposed in the Miami subforum, we could look into a Westbrook+Grant trade in order to get more value in return. They could use a player like Grant that is a bit underpaid with their lack of depth and having to take Westbrook big salary.
if grant were included i would for sure want herro in return. westbrook + grant = ~$48m. you'd have to come close to matching that outgoing to make it viable for us and miami.
They can't trade Hero from what I understood. Could do Westbrook + Grant for Dragic/Winslow/Johnson and picks
Not sure how many picks Miami has though
bisme37 wrote:If there were magnets in basketballs so strong they changed the path of the ball as it flew through the air, wouldn't the ball then stick magnetically to the rim when it got there?
1bigfan13 wrote:I honestly don't get why so many of you are pissed.
WTF did we have to look forward to with this core of players and with our cap situation?
Basically more of the same. 45-48 win seasons, 6th - 8th seed, and 1st round exit. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
F' that ****.
I'm glad they're pulling the plug on this experiment. This franchise has been stuck in mud for 3+ years and there was no significant signs of improvement. Unless you're one of those homers who was banking on Andre Roberson's return somehow catapulting this franchise into a contender.
slick_watts wrote:1bigfan13 wrote:I honestly don't get why so many of you are pissed.
WTF did we have to look forward to with this core of players and with our cap situation?
Basically more of the same. 45-48 win seasons, 6th - 8th seed, and 1st round exit. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
F' that ****.
I'm glad they're pulling the plug on this experiment. This franchise has been stuck in mud for 3+ years and there was no significant signs of improvement. Unless you're one of those homers who was banking on Andre Roberson's return somehow catapulting this franchise into a contender.
did you read any of this thread before posting.
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