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Post#81 » by psman2 » Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 pm

Whole Truth wrote:I saw a Minnesota trade offer that wasn't bad, that if a player of interest falls to 11, I think I could milk further.

In a rebuild it makes sense to target reclamation projects, players with high upside that have disappointed that could maybe at some point turn things around.


Minnesota trade - (Dieng, Teague, #11) receive (Conley)

My suggestion to milk this trade is to flip Teague to a team like Orlando who needs a PG & is ready to contend for Fultz who's a reclamation project.

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Deing, Fultz, #11, small 4m TE)


I don't really see any teams giving any for thing Teague until they have their shot at FA pgs first. So I wouldn't do that trade banking on being about to flip Teague for anything. But maybe if Orlando doesn't land a better option they would give up some 2nds to swap him for Mozgov.

Regarding your other post. If Cleveland wants to flip one of their bad contracts for Bradley we would have to 1. Guarantee Bradley's full contract and trade him to Cleveland or 2. have cap space to absorb the difference in the Cleveland contract and Bradley's small guarantee. We currently have no cap space so option 2 is out the door and option 1 doesn't really save Cleveland much if any salary to include a asset worthwhile like pick 26.
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Post#82 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 12:37 am

psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:I saw a Minnesota trade offer that wasn't bad, that if a player of interest falls to 11, I think I could milk further.

In a rebuild it makes sense to target reclamation projects, players with high upside that have disappointed that could maybe at some point turn things around.


Minnesota trade - (Dieng, Teague, #11) receive (Conley)

My suggestion to milk this trade is to flip Teague to a team like Orlando who needs a PG & is ready to contend for Fultz who's a reclamation project.

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Deing, Fultz, #11, small 4m TE)


I don't really see any teams giving any for thing Teague until they have their shot at FA pgs first. So I wouldn't do that trade banking on being about to flip Teague for anything. But maybe if Orlando doesn't land a better option they would give up some 2nds to swap him for Mozgov.

Regarding your other post. If Cleveland wants to flip one of their bad contracts for Bradley we would have to 1. Guarantee Bradley's full contract and trade him to Cleveland or 2. have cap space to absorb the difference in the Cleveland contract and Bradley's small guarantee. We currently have no cap space so option 2 is out the door and option 1 doesn't really save Cleveland much if any salary to include a asset worthwhile like pick 26.


The trade is not banking on flipping Teague, that's why I prefaced by saying if a player of interest falls to 11, the pick is the heart of the deal. I'm suggesting with several teams in search of a vet PG, Teague could hold value outside of the Minny/Memphis deal to flip. Suns, Chicago, Orlando, Indiana 1yr place holder for Olidipo.

All those mentioned trade deals for Conley are most likely predicated on where Memphis player of interest potentially falls. I'm waiting to see who Memphis workout, it will be telling.

For instance. Miami have recently been rumored to be offering the 13th pick for Memphis, it's said that Riley covets Conley. They're working out players projected to land later in the draft than the 13th pick.


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Five players confirmed meetings with the Heat last week: Carsen Edwards, Grant Williams, Bruno Fernando, Naz Reid and Ignas Brazdeikis. Some scouting reports on that group:
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I'd take the Heat deal headlined by Fernando.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#83 » by psman2 » Wed May 22, 2019 1:50 am

Whole Truth wrote:
psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:I saw a Minnesota trade offer that wasn't bad, that if a player of interest falls to 11, I think I could milk further.

In a rebuild it makes sense to target reclamation projects, players with high upside that have disappointed that could maybe at some point turn things around.


Minnesota trade - (Dieng, Teague, #11) receive (Conley)

My suggestion to milk this trade is to flip Teague to a team like Orlando who needs a PG & is ready to contend for Fultz who's a reclamation project.

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Deing, Fultz, #11, small 4m TE)


I don't really see any teams giving any for thing Teague until they have their shot at FA pgs first. So I wouldn't do that trade banking on being about to flip Teague for anything. But maybe if Orlando doesn't land a better option they would give up some 2nds to swap him for Mozgov.

Regarding your other post. If Cleveland wants to flip one of their bad contracts for Bradley we would have to 1. Guarantee Bradley's full contract and trade him to Cleveland or 2. have cap space to absorb the difference in the Cleveland contract and Bradley's small guarantee. We currently have no cap space so option 2 is out the door and option 1 doesn't really save Cleveland much if any salary to include a asset worthwhile like pick 26.


The trade is not banking on flipping Teague, that's why I prefaced by saying if a player of interest falls to 11, the pick is the heart of the deal. I'm suggesting with several teams in search of a vet PG, Teague could hold value outside of the Minny/Memphis deal to flip. Suns, Chicago, Orlando, Indiana 1yr place holder for Olidipo.

All those mentioned trade deals for Conley are most likely predicated on where Memphis player of interest potentially falls. I'm waiting to see who Memphis workout, it will be telling.

For instance. Miami have recently been rumored to be offering the 13th pick for Memphis, it's said that Riley covets Conley. They're working out players projected to land later in the draft than the 13th pick.


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Five players confirmed meetings with the Heat last week: Carsen Edwards, Grant Williams, Bruno Fernando, Naz Reid and Ignas Brazdeikis. Some scouting reports on that group:
https://www.
miamiherald.com/sports/nba/mia

I'd take the Heat deal headlined by Fernando.


It not a horrible offer, but if Det or another team is offering expiring contracts and pick 15 or better, I would take that deal over 11 and another year of Dieng making 17.3 million and maybe flipping Teague for value.
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Post#84 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 3:23 am

psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
psman2 wrote:
I don't really see any teams giving any for thing Teague until they have their shot at FA pgs first. So I wouldn't do that trade banking on being about to flip Teague for anything. But maybe if Orlando doesn't land a better option they would give up some 2nds to swap him for Mozgov.

Regarding your other post. If Cleveland wants to flip one of their bad contracts for Bradley we would have to 1. Guarantee Bradley's full contract and trade him to Cleveland or 2. have cap space to absorb the difference in the Cleveland contract and Bradley's small guarantee. We currently have no cap space so option 2 is out the door and option 1 doesn't really save Cleveland much if any salary to include a asset worthwhile like pick 26.


The trade is not banking on flipping Teague, that's why I prefaced by saying if a player of interest falls to 11, the pick is the heart of the deal. I'm suggesting with several teams in search of a vet PG, Teague could hold value outside of the Minny/Memphis deal to flip. Suns, Chicago, Orlando, Indiana 1yr place holder for Olidipo.

All those mentioned trade deals for Conley are most likely predicated on where Memphis player of interest potentially falls. I'm waiting to see who Memphis workout, it will be telling.

For instance. Miami have recently been rumored to be offering the 13th pick for Memphis, it's said that Riley covets Conley. They're working out players projected to land later in the draft than the 13th pick.


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Five players confirmed meetings with the Heat last week: Carsen Edwards, Grant Williams, Bruno Fernando, Naz Reid and Ignas Brazdeikis. Some scouting reports on that group:
https://www.
miamiherald.com/sports/nba/mia

I'd take the Heat deal headlined by Fernando.


It not a horrible offer, but if Det or another team is offering expiring contracts and pick 15 or better, I would take that deal over 11 and another year of Dieng making 17.3 million and maybe flipping Teague for value.


If Memphis prefer the expiring they don't have to flip Teague.

I flipped him for Fultz to try & reclaim a former #1 pick's value 2 yrs removed. Philly as a team can't shoot, their best player Simmons can't shoot, Fultz was going to stick out like a sore thumb because he too was struggling from range. I think it would be worth a shot. Philly were ready to contend where they could not exercise patience with Fultz not finding his shot, Memphis are kicking off a rebuild. I have no qualms about giving up 8m a year to try & reclaim the value of a #1 pick in a rebuild, worse case he helps the team land top 6 next year.
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Post#85 » by psman2 » Wed May 22, 2019 3:41 am

Whole Truth wrote:
psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
The trade is not banking on flipping Teague, that's why I prefaced by saying if a player of interest falls to 11, the pick is the heart of the deal. I'm suggesting with several teams in search of a vet PG, Teague could hold value outside of the Minny/Memphis deal to flip. Suns, Chicago, Orlando, Indiana 1yr place holder for Olidipo.

All those mentioned trade deals for Conley are most likely predicated on where Memphis player of interest potentially falls. I'm waiting to see who Memphis workout, it will be telling.

For instance. Miami have recently been rumored to be offering the 13th pick for Memphis, it's said that Riley covets Conley. They're working out players projected to land later in the draft than the 13th pick.


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Five players confirmed meetings with the Heat last week: Carsen Edwards, Grant Williams, Bruno Fernando, Naz Reid and Ignas Brazdeikis. Some scouting reports on that group:
https://www.
miamiherald.com/sports/nba/mia

I'd take the Heat deal headlined by Fernando.


It not a horrible offer, but if Det or another team is offering expiring contracts and pick 15 or better, I would take that deal over 11 and another year of Dieng making 17.3 million and maybe flipping Teague for value.


If Memphis prefer the expiring they don't have to flip Teague.

I flipped him for Fultz to try & reclaim a former #1 pick's value 2 yrs removed. Philly as a team can't shoot, their best player Simmons can't shoot, Fultz was going to stick out like a sore thumb because he too was struggling from range. I think it would be worth a shot. Philly were ready to contend where they could not exercise patience with Fultz not finding his shot, Memphis are kicking off a rebuild. I have no qualms about giving up 8m a year to try & reclaim the value of a #1 pick in a rebuild, worse case he helps the team land top 6 next year.


Sure I would gamble on Fultz as well, however I think Orlando has the same mindset and wants to try to rehab him as well. I truly believe that Orlando would not do a Teague for Fultz swap. It is Dieng's non expiring that tarnishes the value of the trade. I just think we will not get other teams best offers until free agency starts so accepting a trade before the draft runs the risk of forgoing possible better offers.
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Post#86 » by SD2042 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:11 am

psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
psman2 wrote:
It not a horrible offer, but if Det or another team is offering expiring contracts and pick 15 or better, I would take that deal over 11 and another year of Dieng making 17.3 million and maybe flipping Teague for value.


If Memphis prefer the expiring they don't have to flip Teague.

I flipped him for Fultz to try & reclaim a former #1 pick's value 2 yrs removed. Philly as a team can't shoot, their best player Simmons can't shoot, Fultz was going to stick out like a sore thumb because he too was struggling from range. I think it would be worth a shot. Philly were ready to contend where they could not exercise patience with Fultz not finding his shot, Memphis are kicking off a rebuild. I have no qualms about giving up 8m a year to try & reclaim the value of a #1 pick in a rebuild, worse case he helps the team land top 6 next year.


Sure I would gamble on Fultz as well, however I think Orlando has the same mindset and wants to try to rehab him as well. I truly believe that Orlando would not do a Teague for Fultz swap. It is Dieng's non expiring that tarnishes the value of the trade. I just think we will not get other teams best offers until free agency starts so accepting a trade before the draft runs the risk of forgoing possible better offers.



As a Magic fan as well, the team are committed to bringing in Fultz into the rotation very slowly. Although there is a sense of urgency at the PG position for the Magic, my take is that they will bring in someone who's in line with the team's roster in age, best skills set and chemistry. It's still possible a vet like Conley could be in play for the Magic until Fultz proves he is not just injury free, but can grow into his role for the duration of his career.
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Post#87 » by jman3134 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:23 am

Since we aren't a prime free agent landing spot, it is time we spend more effort scouting Europe. We could pick up some talent - Will Clyburn, Cory Higgins (free agent), Earl Clark, Anthony Randolph. These would be excellent 9/10 roster guys.
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Post#88 » by wco81 » Wed May 22, 2019 8:40 am

Maybe Memphis can poach JaMychal Green, whom I think the Clippers want back. But if they have their targets set high so they may let him slip by.
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Post#89 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 9:52 am

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psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
If Memphis prefer the expiring they don't have to flip Teague.

I flipped him for Fultz to try & reclaim a former #1 pick's value 2 yrs removed. Philly as a team can't shoot, their best player Simmons can't shoot, Fultz was going to stick out like a sore thumb because he too was struggling from range. I think it would be worth a shot. Philly were ready to contend where they could not exercise patience with Fultz not finding his shot, Memphis are kicking off a rebuild. I have no qualms about giving up 8m a year to try & reclaim the value of a #1 pick in a rebuild, worse case he helps the team land top 6 next year.


Sure I would gamble on Fultz as well, however I think Orlando has the same mindset and wants to try to rehab him as well. I truly believe that Orlando would not do a Teague for Fultz swap. It is Dieng's non expiring that tarnishes the value of the trade. I just think we will not get other teams best offers until free agency starts so accepting a trade before the draft runs the risk of forgoing possible better offers.



As a Magic fan as well, the team are committed to bringing in Fultz into the rotation very slowly. Although there is a sense of urgency at the PG position for the Magic, my take is that they will bring in someone who's in line with the team's roster in age, best skills set and chemistry. It's still possible a vet like Conley could be in play for the Magic until Fultz proves he is not just injury free, but can grow into his role for the duration of his career.


I was thinking Magic were in the same boat as Philly. They hang their hat on defense & are more effective in transition, while lacking in range, where Fultz would be a hard fit even if he's brought along slowly. For a team in need of a PG, it wasn't a bad gamble for Magic to go after Fultz but your season flipped at the deadline making a solid playoff run going up against a team first round that may currently make the finals. I was also thinking as a result of making the playoffs, they might forego trying to wait him out for immediate help.

Alexander, Langford are mocked in the Magic 16th pick range. They could trade Fultz for Teague, shed long term salary as they have to resign Vuc, get that immediate help & draft Alexander or Langford at 16 to work in as a future replacement so they won't be sacrificing the future of the position in getting immediate help & clearing 8m off the books over the next 3 seasons which helps financially in retaining Vuc..
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Post#90 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 10:13 am

psman2 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
psman2 wrote:
It not a horrible offer, but if Det or another team is offering expiring contracts and pick 15 or better, I would take that deal over 11 and another year of Dieng making 17.3 million and maybe flipping Teague for value.


If Memphis prefer the expiring they don't have to flip Teague.

I flipped him for Fultz to try & reclaim a former #1 pick's value 2 yrs removed. Philly as a team can't shoot, their best player Simmons can't shoot, Fultz was going to stick out like a sore thumb because he too was struggling from range. I think it would be worth a shot. Philly were ready to contend where they could not exercise patience with Fultz not finding his shot, Memphis are kicking off a rebuild. I have no qualms about giving up 8m a year to try & reclaim the value of a #1 pick in a rebuild, worse case he helps the team land top 6 next year.


Sure I would gamble on Fultz as well, however I think Orlando has the same mindset and wants to try to rehab him as well. I truly believe that Orlando would not do a Teague for Fultz swap. It is Dieng's non expiring that tarnishes the value of the trade. I just think we will not get other teams best offers until free agency starts so accepting a trade before the draft runs the risk of forgoing possible better offers.


Deing extra year is the difference between 11th & 15th. If a preferred selection is not expected to drop to 15. Not a chance I let a year on Dieng's contract change my preferred selection at 11, it's not a long term commitment. Only way I'd prefer the Detroit deal is if somehow I thought my draft target would land in that range of the draft. For my perception of value, the player I have interest in, is mocked top 12. I'm not even sure my pick will reach 11th which is why I stated if a specified target is there at that range in prefacing the deal.

Who do you have mocked landing at 15?.
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Post#91 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 11:58 am

Butler & Chicago might reunite. https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/05/21/chicago-bulls-radar-zoning-sixers-jimmy-butler/. In this article they claim Chicago has 22m in available cap space & suggest that they might need to move Otto Porters salary to target Butler.

Also with Targeting the 30yo Butler & ready now Allstar caliber PG like Conley would make worlds of sense with that FA target.

I'm thinking if Memphis buyout Bradley's 3m guarantee they can help create a trade exception in dealing with Chicago.


Memphis trade - (Conley, Rabb) receive (Otto Porter, Felicio, Dunn, #7)

Select Hayes at 7. Memphis would have traded Conley for Hayes & Porter by taking on some additional salary for a couple seasons.

Jonas / (#7 Hayes/Fernando)
3J / Anderosn / ---- Parsons / Felicio
Porter / Bruno / Miles
Holiday / Brooks / Dorsey
(#2 Ja) / Delon / Carter

IMO that team could potentially make the playoffs. So if Memphis want an opportunity at a top 6 pick next year for a core player to better fit with Ja & 3J, they could find a 3rd party for Otto Porter.
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Post#92 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm

3 way deal with Nets who have expiring contracts, available cap space. With new News coming out that Durant might stay in GS, Kyrie also becomes less likely.

Nets trade - (Crabb, Carroll, #17, 2m TE) receive (Otto Porter, Felicio)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Felicio, Dunn) receive (Conley, Rabb, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley, Rabb, 6m TE) receive (Crabb, Carroll, Dunn, #7, #17)


Bulls effectively trade for Conley & clear 8m to their 22m cap to go after Butler in FA. (Conley, Lavine, Butler, Merkennen, Carter JR)

With Durant & Kyrie unlikely Nets use #17 their expiring contracts to take on Felicio to go after Porter who they had past interest in.

Memphis trade Conley, take on 6 mil in salary, buyout Bradley, to net the #7 & #17 picks in the draft.

Draft possibilities.

#7 - Hayes, Culver, Reddish
#17 - Johnson, Okpala, Herro, Fernando
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Post#93 » by VCfor3 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:57 pm

Whole Truth wrote:Butler & Chicago might reunite. https://pippenainteasy.com/2019/05/21/chicago-bulls-radar-zoning-sixers-jimmy-butler/. In this article they claim Chicago has 22m in available cap space & suggest that they might need to move Otto Porters salary to target Butler.

Also with Targeting the 30yo Butler & ready now Allstar caliber PG like Conley would make worlds of sense with that FA target.

I'm thinking if Memphis buyout Bradley's 3m guarantee they can help create a trade exception in dealing with Chicago.


Memphis trade - (Conley, Rabb) receive (Otto Porter, Felicio, Dunn, #7)

Select Hayes at 7. Memphis would have traded Conley for Hayes & Porter by taking on some additional salary for a couple seasons.

Jonas / (#7 Hayes/Fernando)
3J / Anderosn / ---- Parsons / Felicio
Porter / Bruno / Miles
Holiday / Brooks / Dorsey
(#2 Ja) / Delon / Carter

IMO that team could potentially make the playoffs. So if Memphis want an opportunity at a top 6 pick next year for a core player to better fit with Ja & 3J, they could find a 3rd party for Otto Porter.


I can't see Chicago giving up both Porter and #7 for Conley. They could just use lesser assets to dump Felicio and a lesser young guy or two and then sign Butler. 7 can be moved for Ball or they can draft White/Garland and use the Room Exception to sign a stop gap PG. I think you could maybe get a protected 1st instead of #7 but that's about it.

Same concerns with the three way trade with BKN though I like the concept.
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Post#94 » by SD2042 » Wed May 22, 2019 5:09 pm

Whole Truth wrote:3 way deal with Nets who have expiring contracts, available cap space. With new News coming out that Durant might stay in GS, Kyrie also becomes less likely.

Nets trade - (Crabb, Carroll, #17, 2m TE) receive (Otto Porter, Felicio)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Felicio, Dunn) receive (Conley, Rabb, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley, Rabb, 6m TE) receive (Crabb, Carroll, Dunn, #7, #17)


Bulls effectively trade for Conley & clear 8m to their 22m cap to go after Butler in FA. (Conley, Lavine, Butler, Merkennen, Carter JR)

With Durant & Kyrie unlikely Nets use #17 their expiring contracts to take on Felicio to go after Porter who they had past interest in.

Memphis trade Conley, take on 6 mil in salary, buyout Bradley, to net the #7 & #17 picks in the draft.

Draft possibilities.

#7 - Hayes, Culver, Reddish
#17 - Johnson, Okpala, Herro, Fernando


The problem with the Nets deal is that Carroll is a FA outright once July 1st hits. This deal is a no go unless another player with matching salaries can be added to keep the deal in play for those involve.
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Post#95 » by VCfor3 » Wed May 22, 2019 5:21 pm

SD2042 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:3 way deal with Nets who have expiring contracts, available cap space. With new News coming out that Durant might stay in GS, Kyrie also becomes less likely.

Nets trade - (Crabb, Carroll, #17, 2m TE) receive (Otto Porter, Felicio)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Felicio, Dunn) receive (Conley, Rabb, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley, Rabb, 6m TE) receive (Crabb, Carroll, Dunn, #7, #17)


Bulls effectively trade for Conley & clear 8m to their 22m cap to go after Butler in FA. (Conley, Lavine, Butler, Merkennen, Carter JR)

With Durant & Kyrie unlikely Nets use #17 their expiring contracts to take on Felicio to go after Porter who they had past interest in.

Memphis trade Conley, take on 6 mil in salary, buyout Bradley, to net the #7 & #17 picks in the draft.

Draft possibilities.

#7 - Hayes, Culver, Reddish
#17 - Johnson, Okpala, Herro, Fernando


The problem with the Nets deal is that Carroll is a FA outright once July 1st hits. This deal is a no go unless another player with matching salaries can be added to keep the deal in play for those involve.


Honestly BKN has the cap space to absorb the difference and leave Carroll out. They can only offer one max contract to a FA after that but it still may be worth it to them.
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Post#96 » by Whole Truth » Wed May 22, 2019 6:19 pm

VCfor3 wrote:The problem with the Nets deal is that Carroll is a FA outright once July 1st hits. This deal is a no go unless another player with matching salaries can be added to keep the deal in play for those involve.

Honestly BKN has the cap space to absorb the difference and leave Carroll out. They can only offer one max contract to a FA after that but it still may be worth it to them.


The rumors surrounding Nets that I've read are that they are looking to trade for Davis to attract Irving as a free agent. IMO that's a doubtful scenario & I think it's the only way they will potentially add a FA of significance so I agree it will be worth it for them to spend that cap on Porter, who they coveted last year. I also read a report this morning that Durant is likely to remain with GS which might mean Irving is LA bound with Davis... as several other reports suggest that Griffin likes the LA assets, so with the rumor of KD possibly staying. Adding up to those collective rumors. Looks like the Knicks might lose more than the Draft & the Nets are doubtful to make use of their 2 max slots.


Nets trade - (Crabb, #17, 8m TE) receive (Otto Porter)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Dunn, #7) receive (Conley, #17, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Crabb, Dunn, #7)
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Post#97 » by SD2042 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:15 am

Whole Truth wrote:
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Sure I would gamble on Fultz as well, however I think Orlando has the same mindset and wants to try to rehab him as well. I truly believe that Orlando would not do a Teague for Fultz swap. It is Dieng's non expiring that tarnishes the value of the trade. I just think we will not get other teams best offers until free agency starts so accepting a trade before the draft runs the risk of forgoing possible better offers.



As a Magic fan as well, the team are committed to bringing in Fultz into the rotation very slowly. Although there is a sense of urgency at the PG position for the Magic, my take is that they will bring in someone who's in line with the team's roster in age, best skills set and chemistry. It's still possible a vet like Conley could be in play for the Magic until Fultz proves he is not just injury free, but can grow into his role for the duration of his career.


I was thinking Magic were in the same boat as Philly. They hang their hat on defense & are more effective in transition, while lacking in range, where Fultz would be a hard fit even if he's brought along slowly. For a team in need of a PG, it wasn't a bad gamble for Magic to go after Fultz but your season flipped at the deadline making a solid playoff run going up against a team first round that may currently make the finals. I was also thinking as a result of making the playoffs, they might forego trying to wait him out for immediate help.

Alexander, Langford are mocked in the Magic 16th pick range. They could trade Fultz for Teague, shed long term salary as they have to resign Vuc, get that immediate help & draft Alexander or Langford at 16 to work in as a future replacement so they won't be sacrificing the future of the position in getting immediate help & clearing 8m off the books over the next 3 seasons which helps financially in retaining Vuc..


You're right on the defense and transition angles as the the Magic's bet weapons. What they need are scorers who will not be afraid to score points, but with some efficiency and effort behind their skills sets. To NAW, I profile him as a Shaun Livingston type of player. Can slash to the hole at will, can dish it out to teammates, solid defender, and is athletic by nature. His lack of perimeter shooting and physique are his current issues that raises questions as to whether he can improve on it or not. He'll be a solid role player for a good team.

Langford is a decent athlete who like NAW is a scorer towards the post. His handles and passes needs to be tighter to prevent turnovers. His permeter shooting and decision making needs to be address as his career goes further. If Romeo can improve those issues, he may have a shot to become a better player in the future.

As for whom the Magic can take a chance on @ 16: I'm looking at this SG Luguertz Dort of Arizona State.








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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#98 » by SD2042 » Thu May 23, 2019 4:36 am

Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:The problem with the Nets deal is that Carroll is a FA outright once July 1st hits. This deal is a no go unless another player with matching salaries can be added to keep the deal in play for those involve.

Honestly BKN has the cap space to absorb the difference and leave Carroll out. They can only offer one max contract to a FA after that but it still may be worth it to them.


The rumors surrounding Nets that I've read are that they are looking to trade for Davis to attract Irving as a free agent. IMO that's a doubtful scenario & I think it's the only way they will potentially add a FA of significance so I agree it will be worth it for them to spend that cap on Porter, who they coveted last year. I also read a report this morning that Durant is likely to remain with GS which might mean Irving is LA bound with Davis... as several other reports suggest that Griffin likes the LA assets, so with the rumor of KD possibly staying. Adding up to those collective rumors. Looks like the Knicks might lose more than the Draft & the Nets are doubtful to make use of their 2 max slots.


Nets trade - (Crabb, #17, 8m TE) receive (Otto Porter)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Dunn, #7) receive (Conley, #17, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Crabb, Dunn, #7)



AD23 to the Nets makes for an interesting angle. The Nets are one of the attrractive teams heading into the summer of 2019 free agency. Another team I have AD23 going to if the whole Knicks/Lakers angle fails is Denver. At least with the Nuggets, AD23 gets to play second in command on a roster going into it's prime and can help the Nuggets become a more serious contender heading into the future.

As for KD, I still refute the reports he's staying with the Warriors. Financially it's impossible to sign both KD and KT to their deals and manage to keep a bench in tact. It's not possible to this scenario happening. IMO is will be KD's last run with the Warriors. It's been a great run. KD will go somewhere else not name the Knicks. I can see the Nets and Clippers getting on the KD sweepstakes. This summer will be a long one for both Knicks and Lakers franchises.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#99 » by Whole Truth » Thu May 23, 2019 6:19 am

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As a Magic fan as well, the team are committed to bringing in Fultz into the rotation very slowly. Although there is a sense of urgency at the PG position for the Magic, my take is that they will bring in someone who's in line with the team's roster in age, best skills set and chemistry. It's still possible a vet like Conley could be in play for the Magic until Fultz proves he is not just injury free, but can grow into his role for the duration of his career.


I was thinking Magic were in the same boat as Philly. They hang their hat on defense & are more effective in transition, while lacking in range, where Fultz would be a hard fit even if he's brought along slowly. For a team in need of a PG, it wasn't a bad gamble for Magic to go after Fultz but your season flipped at the deadline making a solid playoff run going up against a team first round that may currently make the finals. I was also thinking as a result of making the playoffs, they might forego trying to wait him out for immediate help.

Alexander, Langford are mocked in the Magic 16th pick range. They could trade Fultz for Teague, shed long term salary as they have to resign Vuc, get that immediate help & draft Alexander or Langford at 16 to work in as a future replacement so they won't be sacrificing the future of the position in getting immediate help & clearing 8m off the books over the next 3 seasons which helps financially in retaining Vuc..


You're right on the defense and transition angles as the the Magic's bet weapons. What they need are scorers who will not be afraid to score points, but with some efficiency and effort behind their skills sets. To NAW, I profile him as a Shaun Livingston type of player. Can slash to the hole at will, can dish it out to teammates, solid defender, and is athletic by nature. His lack of perimeter shooting and physique are his current issues that raises questions as to whether he can improve on it or not. He'll be a solid role player for a good team.

Langford is a decent athlete who like NAW is a scorer towards the post. His handles and passes needs to be tighter to prevent turnovers. His permeter shooting and decision making needs to be address as his career goes further. If Romeo can improve those issues, he may have a shot to become a better player in the future.

As for whom the Magic can take a chance on @ 16: I'm looking at this SG Luguertz Dort of Arizona State.








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If I were Magic, I'd be looking to dump Fournier for expirings & or shooters, promote Ross to the starting rotation with Gordon & Isaac. Draft a PG like NAW @16 hope that both Gordon & Isaac continues to improve their range. I'd interchange them at SF/PF depending on the defensive matchups. IMO Isaac looks like he might be the better one on one defender with his length but not yet strong enough. Gordon also has the tools & makeup to be a point forward but if he's expelling too much energy defending the apposing teams best player it can lead to fatigue.

I don't really follow the Magic so my take is limited, just my 2 cents.

I like your draft pick though, interesting choice. Maybe your team can flip Fournier in a trade for him to replace Ross off the bench until he develops or passes Ross in production.
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Re: Potential Offseason Moves 

Post#100 » by Whole Truth » Thu May 23, 2019 6:44 am

SD2042 wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:The problem with the Nets deal is that Carroll is a FA outright once July 1st hits. This deal is a no go unless another player with matching salaries can be added to keep the deal in play for those involve.

Honestly BKN has the cap space to absorb the difference and leave Carroll out. They can only offer one max contract to a FA after that but it still may be worth it to them.


The rumors surrounding Nets that I've read are that they are looking to trade for Davis to attract Irving as a free agent. IMO that's a doubtful scenario & I think it's the only way they will potentially add a FA of significance so I agree it will be worth it for them to spend that cap on Porter, who they coveted last year. I also read a report this morning that Durant is likely to remain with GS which might mean Irving is LA bound with Davis... as several other reports suggest that Griffin likes the LA assets, so with the rumor of KD possibly staying. Adding up to those collective rumors. Looks like the Knicks might lose more than the Draft & the Nets are doubtful to make use of their 2 max slots.


Nets trade - (Crabb, #17, 8m TE) receive (Otto Porter)

Bulls trade - (Otto Porter, Dunn, #7) receive (Conley, #17, 8m TE)

Memphis trade - (Conley) receive (Crabb, Dunn, #7)



AD23 to the Nets makes for an interesting angle. The Nets are one of the attrractive teams heading into the summer of 2019 free agency. Another team I have AD23 going to if the whole Knicks/Lakers angle fails is Denver. At least with the Nuggets, AD23 gets to play second in command on a roster going into it's prime and can help the Nuggets become a more serious contender heading into the future.

As for KD, I still refute the reports he's staying with the Warriors. Financially it's impossible to sign both KD and KT to their deals and manage to keep a bench in tact. It's not possible to this scenario happening. IMO is will be KD's last run with the Warriors. It's been a great run. KD will go somewhere else not name the Knicks. I can see the Nets and Clippers getting on the KD sweepstakes. This summer will be a long one for both Knicks and Lakers franchises.


What can Denver offer without gutting their young roster that almost reached the ECF?. Depending on what NO's is asking for I don't think Denver should mess too much with the success they just had. I know if were NO's, I'm asking Denver for Murray to pair with Zion. Think they'll still be interested in Davis if NOs were to ask for Murray as the main piece in trade?.

It's possible you're right & he may leave despite the counter rumors of their Owner saying he's condifedent to retain both FA's. GS could look to buy or trade for additional 2nd round pick/s to help fill out the roster cheaply in combination with their late first. They don't have much of a bench as is & have been running Durant with the bench unit. A few meh 2nd rounders with Durant as a primary option off the bench is better than a group of quality role players. Personally, I don't see any issue outside of Durant wanting to leave.

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