2017 Training Camp Thread

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Sounds like Sloan got cut and Felix is getting the last roster spot. This makes sense on a performance level and for roster balance, but I can’t help but feel uneasy about the backup PG spot. Sloan was a productive NBAer as little as two years ago and I have my doubts about both Frazier and Sato getting the job done.

I don't really have a feel for Frazier's game. He seems to offer some things... he's quick, sudden and shifty. His handles are good. He's a willing passer and seems like a more than adequate on the ball defender.

When he passes, however, which is pretty much every time, he seems to be constantly bailing himself out.

He doesn't seem like a real threat to score even though he beats the first man pretty much every time.

After a few possessions, you'd think the other team would adjust by jumping into passing lanes and cheating to prevent a skip pass.

There's not much question that Sloan is a better player than Frazier -- all you need to do is look at his numbers from 2014-15 & 2015-16, both years when he played substantial minutes & played quite well. Not sure why he was out of the league last year.

But we'd traded for Frazier & his $2m guaranteed contract, a foolish move IMO -- guys like him aren't hard to find at veteran minimum (Sloan's availability kind of makes my point, I'd say). Again... this is the Ernie way. His principles are:

1. Act early; it makes you look like you know what you're doing.
2. R2 picks are worthless.
3. Players outside your 4-6 best guys are "pieces." They are interchangeable; there's no reason to waste time on player evaluation beyond your few "stars" or "core players."

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[dangermouse]

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Pretty happy with that, he earned it. With Mac's injury, I could see him (and/or Sato) getting minutes at SG or SF if Oubre is playing like ass or Meeks' shot isnt falling. Looks big/strong enough to spot at PF in small ball lineups if needed too.

[gambitx777]

I am really mad that we cut sloan and not mac at this point. The kid is decent but hes hurt, and we have 2! competent SG's that would pretty much be a head of him anyway, in felix and meeks. why not keep another competent PG on the tem.

[80sballboy]

Sounds like Sloan got cut and Felix is getting the last roster spot. This makes sense on a performance level and for roster balance, but I can’t help but feel uneasy about the backup PG spot. Sloan was a productive NBAer as little as two years ago and I have my doubts about both Frazier and Sato getting the job done.

I don't really have a feel for Frazier's game. He seems to offer some things... he's quick, sudden and shifty. His handles are good. He's a willing passer and seems like a more than adequate on the ball defender.

When he passes, however, which is pretty much every time, he seems to be constantly bailing himself out.

He doesn't seem like a real threat to score even though he beats the first man pretty much every time.

After a few possessions, you'd think the other team would adjust by jumping into passing lanes and cheating to prevent a skip pass.

There's not much question that Sloan is a better player than Frazier -- all you need to do is look at his numbers from 2014-15 & 2015-16, both years when he played substantial minutes & played quite well. Not sure why he was out of the league last year.

But we'd traded for Frazier & his $2m guaranteed contract, a foolish move IMO -- guys like him aren't hard to find at veteran minimum (Sloan's availability kind of makes my point, I'd say). Again... this is the Ernie way. His principles are:

1. Act early; it makes you look like you know what you're doing.
2. R2 picks are worthless.
3. Players outside your 4-6 best guys are "pieces." They are interchangeable; there's no reason to waste time on player evaluation beyond your few "stars" or "core players."

Let me check my watch? It's not 2014 anymore? He's slow as molassess. But hey, the numbers say this because I don't watch the games. Not sure why Sloan was out of the league? Hmm. A bit heavy? A bit slow? Oh I forgot, the metrics don't tell you that.

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I am really mad that we cut sloan and not mac at this point. The kid is decent but hes hurt, and we have 2! competent SG's that would pretty much be a head of him anyway, in felix and meeks. why not keep another competent PG on the tem.

There's a reason the Wizards haven't cut Mac, they like him and having him rehab whilst with the team will go a long way in establishing some good will for the next contract.

Sloan can't play the 2 and unless Wall gets hurt there's really not much of a point in having two backup point guards on the roster especially with Satoransky in the wings as well.

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[gambitx777]

I am really mad that we cut sloan and not mac at this point. The kid is decent but hes hurt, and we have 2! competent SG's that would pretty much be a head of him anyway, in felix and meeks. why not keep another competent PG on the tem.

There's a reason the Wizards haven't cut Mac, they like him and having him rehab whilst with the team will go a long way in establishing some good will for the next contract.

Sloan can't play the 2 and unless Wall gets hurt there's really not much of a point in having two backup point guards on the roster especially with Satoransky in the wings as well.

I like mac too, but wouldn't you rather have 3 competent back up point guards than two incase wall goes down. Not tomas not tim not sloan would save the season if wall goes down, But I would rather have options and sloan is decent. man if you would merge tomas sloan and tim in to one guard that would be a decent point guard for sure (probably still couldn't hit a three" but still.

[NatP4]

Jammer Nelson on the market now. Probably better than Frazier and a better fit next to Satoransky

in fact, Nelson is probably still starter caliber and would be a huge pickup for us.

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I don't really have a feel for Frazier's game. He seems to offer some things... he's quick, sudden and shifty. His handles are good. He's a willing passer and seems like a more than adequate on the ball defender.

When he passes, however, which is pretty much every time, he seems to be constantly bailing himself out.

He doesn't seem like a real threat to score even though he beats the first man pretty much every time.

After a few possessions, you'd think the other team would adjust by jumping into passing lanes and cheating to prevent a skip pass.

There's not much question that Sloan is a better player than Frazier -- all you need to do is look at his numbers from 2014-15 & 2015-16, both years when he played substantial minutes & played quite well. Not sure why he was out of the league last year.

But we'd traded for Frazier & his $2m guaranteed contract, a foolish move IMO -- guys like him aren't hard to find at veteran minimum (Sloan's availability kind of makes my point, I'd say). Again... this is the Ernie way. His principles are:

1. Act early; it makes you look like you know what you're doing.
2. R2 picks are worthless.
3. Players outside your 4-6 best guys are "pieces." They are interchangeable; there's no reason to waste time on player evaluation beyond your few "stars" or "core players."

Let me check my watch? It's not 2014 anymore? He's slow as molassess. But hey, the numbers say this because I don't watch the games. Not sure why Sloan was out of the league? Hmm. A bit heavy? A bit slow? Oh I forgot, the metrics don't tell you that.

Is Sloan slow & heavy? Oh, well that would make a difference, wouldn't it? Especially since it's surprising he'd try to get back in the league & then show up heavy. Then again, you don't watch the games, so how would you know?

How long ago was April 2016, ballboy? Wait, let me count so you don't have to. I get 18 months, but I'm doing that with metrics rather than watching your backwards calendar, so maybe I'm wrong.

But lets assume I'm right. That means that a year & a half ago, when I guess he wasn't slow & heavy (but how would you know?), Donald Sloan was finishing a year in which he played something over 1300 minutes & played well. Started a bunch of games after Jarret Jack went down.

What did you think of him back then? Oh... you didn't watch him? I didn't think so. He went on to play a year in China for almost $3m -- definitely more than a journeyman PG would have earned in the NBA. More than Frazier is earning this year, for example.

How long in his life does a guy like Donald Sloan have an opportunity to earn millions of dollars a year, ballboy? I mean... if that's not too much like a question about metrics to be of interest to you, do you think you could come up with an answer?

Here's the thing, ballboy. I guarantee you I watched more Wizards games last year than you did. Also that I watched more other NBA teams' games than you did. & that I've watched more basketball in my life -- way more -- than you have.

I'm guessing as well that before the Wizards brought Carrick Felix to camp, you'd never heard of him -- is that right? Didn't know he'd played at ASU. Never watched him play there (or anywhere). Had no idea he'd been drafted #33 in the 2013 draft. Do I have that right?

Then again... Sloan vs. Felix? Or, for that matter, Sloan vs. Frazier? It's kinda minor, I imagine we agree about that.

As to this post, don't get too salty about it, ok? I'm sure you watch plenty of basketball -- I'm just giving you back a little of what you sent my way!

Go Wizards!

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Jammer Nelson on the market now. Probably better than Frazier and a better fit next to Satoransky

in fact, Nelson is probably still starter caliber and would be a huge pickup for us.

Wow. He played more than 2000 minutes last year, but now they've cut him. I agree that's kind of amazing.

OTOH, he's almost 36 years old, hasn't played well in years, & is unlikely to have anything left in the tank.

What might be interesting about this is that it likely means the Nuggets chose to keep Monte Morris over Nelson. They picked Morris #51 in R2 this year -- 1 pick before the #52 pick we traded for Frazier.

Morris was a guy I liked for us w/ that pick, but he wouldn't have been there. It'll be interesting to see how this works out & how he does (if in fact he makes the team).

[NatP4]

Jammer Nelson on the market now. Probably better than Frazier and a better fit next to Satoransky

in fact, Nelson is probably still starter caliber and would be a huge pickup for us.

Wow. He played more than 2000 minutes last year, but now they've cut him. I agree that's kind of amazing.

OTOH, he's almost 36 years old, hasn't played well in years, & is unlikely to have anything left in the tank.

What might be interesting about this is that it likely means the Nuggets chose to keep Monte Morris over Nelson. They picked Morris #51 in R2 this year -- 1 pick before the #52 pick we traded for Frazier.

Morris was a guy I liked for us w/ that pick, but he wouldn't have been there. It'll be interesting to see how this works out & how he does (if in fact he makes the team).

Nelson averaged 10points 6.6 assists per 36 last year, shot 39% from 3, 44% overall. was ranked 26th in RPM among point guards, 2.8 WS.