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GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM

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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#41 » by TheBabyMaker » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:15 am

nate33 wrote:Nice to see Bryant get a ton of minutes. On pace to play 32+ rather than his usual inexplicable sub 22 minute outing

He is the only reason I watch Wizards games. Too bad I missed this game.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#42 » by NatP4 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:06 am

Otto needs to start. Jeff Green gave you 1 single rebound in 31 minutes. Ariza is just horrible, who was it that posted that he’s been really good for us? The guy is a massive ball hog playing for another contract, he’s totally washed now, not much better than Oubre. I’d rather see Troy Brown playing 30 minutes a night. Sato was BY FAR the wizards best player. Just dominant out there, creates everything for them on O.

The spurs shot 47% from 3 and made an absurd amount of contested 3s, no shame in this loss. That 43 point 2nd quarter was still a thing of beauty. Need Dekker and Mahinmi back for defense, rebounding, and energy.

Still think this type of rotation represents a massive flaw with Brooks/direction of the franchise. Porter and Brown jr should be the guys playing 35+ minutes, not washed up journeymen like Ariza and Green. Those guys are hardly even net positives at this point. Green is barely an upgrade from Morris. Bryant still doesn’t play nearly enough, even with multiple rotation guys out. The ONLY focus of the remainder of the season should be building the chemistry with the Sato Beal Brown Porter Bryant core, nothing else.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#43 » by Eli Babak » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:34 am

Satoransky was terrific and +1 in 37 minutes (Beal played 39 mins and was -29 :o). Ariza getting 42 mins is unbelievable. Hopefully they can get under tax by trading him and Brooks & EG should be fired in the summer. Thank you. :D
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#44 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:51 am

NatP4 wrote:Otto needs to start. Jeff Green gave you 1 single rebound in 31 minutes. Ariza is just horrible, who was it that posted that he’s been really good for us? The guy is a massive ball hog playing for another contract, he’s totally washed now, not much better than Oubre. I’d rather see Troy Brown playing 30 minutes a night. Sato was BY FAR the wizards best player. Just dominant out there, creates everything for them on O.

The spurs shot 47% from 3 and made an absurd amount of contested 3s, no shame in this loss. That 43 point 2nd quarter was still a thing of beauty. Need Dekker and Mahinmi back for defense, rebounding, and energy.

Still think this type of rotation represents a massive flaw with Brooks/direction of the franchise. Porter and Brown jr should be the guys playing 35+ minutes, not washed up journeymen like Ariza and Green. Those guys are hardly even net positives at this point. Green is barely an upgrade from Morris. Bryant still doesn’t play nearly enough, even with multiple rotation guys out. The ONLY focus of the remainder of the season should be building the chemistry with the Sato Beal Brown Porter Bryant core, nothing else.

The Wiz defense has improved dramatically since Ariza was acquired - other than last night. And he generally defends the best forward on the opposition - even when he plays with Otto. Part of the improvement is Sato playing more and Keiff not playing, but Ariza deserves mention for his defense and leadership. He's not a ball-hog; he's doing what is asked of him - which is probably more than he's capable of doing.

But... this game showed why the Wiz should be looking to trade Ariza. They played about as well as they can, and they still got handled - against a team playing without an all-star. That's going to happen in the playoffs - if they make it. Granted, it would have been helpful to have a healthy Dwight Howard last night. Too many times, Jeff Green had to cover LMA, and he had no chance.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#45 » by queridiculo » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:But... this game showed why the Wiz should be looking to trade Ariza. They played about as well as they can, and they still got handled - against a team playing without an all-star. That's going to happen in the playoffs - if they make it. Granted, it would have been helpful to have a healthy Dwight Howard last night. Too many times, Jeff Green had to cover LMA, and he had no chance.


I wouldn't put too much stock into the outcome of last night's game to make a determination about Ariza's future with team.

Bertrans singlehandedly won the Spurs that game and it really wouldn't have mattered whom the Wizards had out there last night.

Assuming the Wizards sneak into the playoffs, do they have a legit shot at anything other than a first round exit? No, but they're hell bent on getting there so **** it.

I like the idea of Ariza sticking around primarily on the off chance that the Wizards manage to bring him back for a few more season.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#46 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:31 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Ruzious wrote:But... this game showed why the Wiz should be looking to trade Ariza. They played about as well as they can, and they still got handled - against a team playing without an all-star. That's going to happen in the playoffs - if they make it. Granted, it would have been helpful to have a healthy Dwight Howard last night. Too many times, Jeff Green had to cover LMA, and he had no chance.


I wouldn't put too much stock into the outcome of last night's game to make a determination about Ariza's future with team.

Bertrans singlehandedly won the Spurs that game and it really wouldn't have mattered whom the Wizards had out there last night.

Assuming the Wizards sneak into the playoffs, do they have a legit shot at anything other than a first round exit? No, but they're hell bent on getting there so **** it.

I like the idea of Ariza sticking around primarily on the off chance that the Wizards manage to bring him back for a few more season.

Bertrans is an amazing shooter, and I don't blame Ariza for him going off. But I do think the Wiz in general covered him poorly. You basically can't let him breathe when he gets the ball. I'd much rather have him penetrating aound a defender covering him too tightly than getting a clear look from 3. The Wiz were giving him just a few inches, but that's enough for him.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#47 » by NatP4 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:25 pm

Ruzious wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
Ruzious wrote:But... this game showed why the Wiz should be looking to trade Ariza. They played about as well as they can, and they still got handled - against a team playing without an all-star. That's going to happen in the playoffs - if they make it. Granted, it would have been helpful to have a healthy Dwight Howard last night. Too many times, Jeff Green had to cover LMA, and he had no chance.


I wouldn't put too much stock into the outcome of last night's game to make a determination about Ariza's future with team.

Bertrans singlehandedly won the Spurs that game and it really wouldn't have mattered whom the Wizards had out there last night.

Assuming the Wizards sneak into the playoffs, do they have a legit shot at anything other than a first round exit? No, but they're hell bent on getting there so **** it.

I like the idea of Ariza sticking around primarily on the off chance that the Wizards manage to bring him back for a few more season.

Bertrans is an amazing shooter, and I don't blame Ariza for him going off. But I do think the Wiz in general covered him poorly. You basically can't let him breathe when he gets the ball. I'd much rather have him penetrating aound a defender covering him too tightly than getting a clear look from 3. The Wiz were giving him just a few inches, but that's enough for him.



Trevor Ariza has a -0.5 DBPM with the wizards, BY FAR his worst figure of any season in his career. His defensive rating is 114, never had a figure over 108 in his career. He ranks 69 out of 89 SFs in defensive real plus minus this season. Jeff green ranks 79 by the way. Troy Brown ranks higher than both of them. This is just defense, his offense has been outrageously bad.

The wizards play 4 good players, Bryant, Beal, Satoransky, Porter. Mahinmi and Dekker are solid, everyone else is absolutely terrible. They need more quality depth, starting with actually playing TBJR. If it were up to me:

Sato Brown Jr
Beal Brown Jr
Brown Jr Ariza Dekker
Otto Dekker Green
Bryant Mahinmi Green
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#48 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:38 pm

NatP4 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock into the outcome of last night's game to make a determination about Ariza's future with team.

Bertrans singlehandedly won the Spurs that game and it really wouldn't have mattered whom the Wizards had out there last night.

Assuming the Wizards sneak into the playoffs, do they have a legit shot at anything other than a first round exit? No, but they're hell bent on getting there so **** it.

I like the idea of Ariza sticking around primarily on the off chance that the Wizards manage to bring him back for a few more season.

Bertrans is an amazing shooter, and I don't blame Ariza for him going off. But I do think the Wiz in general covered him poorly. You basically can't let him breathe when he gets the ball. I'd much rather have him penetrating aound a defender covering him too tightly than getting a clear look from 3. The Wiz were giving him just a few inches, but that's enough for him.



Trevor Ariza has a -0.5 DBPM with the wizards, BY FAR his worst figure of any season in his career. His defensive rating is 114, never had a figure over 108 in his career. He ranks 69 out of 89 SFs in defensive real plus minus this season. Jeff green ranks 79 by the way. Troy Brown ranks higher than both of them. This is just defense, his offense has been outrageously bad.

The wizards play 4 good players, Bryant, Beal, Satoransky, Porter. Mahinmi and Dekker are solid, everyone else is absolutely terrible. They need more quality depth, starting with actually playing TBJR. If it were up to me:

Sato Brown Jr
Beal Brown Jr
Brown Jr Ariza Dekker
Otto Dekker Green
Bryant Mahinmi Green


I'd absolutely like to see Troy Brown play more, but...his DBPM rating is meaningless at this point. It matters who players are defending and what the sample size is.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#49 » by NatP4 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:31 pm

I didn’t cite Troy Browns DBPM at all. He should be playing because he’s 19 and our 1st round pick.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#50 » by payitforward » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:38 am

Nat is 100% correct. Troy Brown should have gotten 1200 plus minutes this season. Instead, he'll be under 200 minutes with 50 games gone.

It'd be one thing if we were having a terrific season that it was worth maximizing, but we are 21-28.

It'd be one thing if all the guys getting heavy minutes were part of our future, but every expiring player we've had this season has played heavy minutes while Brown has sat.

Etc... Hell, Ron Baker was here for 2 sips of a cup of coffee. He played in 4 games & logged almost 25% the minutes Brown has received all season.

It'd be one thing if Brown played badly when he did get on the court, but in fact he has played pretty well.

Do you want to know how many rookies have played more minutes than Troy & also have played better at their position than he has at his?

Answer: exactly 4 -- Robert Williams, Mitchell Robinson, Deandre Ayton & Luka Doncic

But, really, this is not controversial: I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees that Troy Brown Jr. should have played more -- a lot more -- & should be the rest of the year.
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Re: GT #49: Wizards @ Spurs 7 PM 

Post#51 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:35 pm

NatP4 wrote:I didn’t cite Troy Browns DBPM at all. He should be playing because he’s 19 and our 1st round pick.

Lol, whichever defensive rating you cited is irrelevant for him at this point. And I'm agreeing with you on why he should play.
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