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Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV

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Post#101 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:45 am

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trast66 wrote:Blake a really good player, but that contract along with injury history makes me like what the clippers did there in the long term.

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I don’t get the trade from either side. Clippers got terrible value, a protected 1st and Tobias Harris?? Wtf? And why are the pistons taking on that horrible Blake Griffin contract, he’s not even that good at this point. An inefficient 20 point scorer that doesn’t really rebound or defend. No floor spacing between Drummond and Griffin.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#102 » by truwizfan4evr » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:46 am

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truwizfan4evr wrote:
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If you added Wall to that and brought Kyrie back, all our problems would be instantly fixed and we would be the best team in the NBA.

I can't stand irving. He's a better shooter then wall but that's all about it.



Ehh, 25/game on .600 TS is insane for a point guard. The new NBA is about scoring guards that can attack switches and play on and off ball. Down the stretch of games, Kyrie is a huge weapon. Essentially a 50/40/90 point guard that can get his shot every single possession. Also averages a full turnover less per game than Wall.

What is the one thing Wall does better than Kyrie? Playmaking, what else?? New nba is about efficiency and 3pt shooting, being able to score in isolation. If Wall was a great defender, different story, but he now ranks 41st in drpm(one spot above Tim Frazier) for point guards, after ranking 58th after last season.

Despite John wall recent play, He's a better defender as well. Kyrie is a one dimensional player in my opinion.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#103 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:26 am

Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#104 » by pcbothwel » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:30 am

dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.


Why would we do that. We MIGHT be better this year, but it makes us worse next year...and the year after that... and the year after that... and the... you get the point
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#105 » by gravytrain24 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:30 am

dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.

I feel like we would have to try to get them to take Meeks and/or McCullough, b/c they want the cap room. But if they dangle out BKN's 1st, thats going to be hard to pass up if you're trying to rebuild.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#106 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:33 am

dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.


That’s intriguing. But I don’t think the Clips want OP’s or Mahinmi’s salary. Getting rid of Blake was a move to shed sheckles and position them to be major players in free agency in 2019.

For us, it does open up the window this year and clears quite a bit of cap space.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#107 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:42 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.


That’s intriguing. But I don’t think the Clips want OP’s or Mahinmi’s salary. Getting rid of Blake was a move to shed sheckles and position them to be major players in free agency in 2019.

For us, it does open up the window this year and clears quite a bit of cap space.


They just trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris and a 1st round pick. We aren’t giving up Otto Porter and a 1st for two expiring players
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Post#108 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:56 am

NatP4 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.


That’s intriguing. But I don’t think the Clips want OP’s or Mahinmi’s salary. Getting rid of Blake was a move to shed sheckles and position them to be major players in free agency in 2019.

For us, it does open up the window this year and clears quite a bit of cap space.


They just trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris and a 1st round pick. We aren’t giving up Otto Porter and a 1st for two expiring players


Only one of the 3 players from LAC is expiring (Lou)
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#109 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:59 am

pcbothwel wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Cavs will likely dangle Love + Nets pick for DeAndre + Lou

Could we counter-offer: Porter + Mahinmi + 1st + cash for DeAndre + Lou + Wes Johnson

Porter would surely fit their 'timetable' better than Love. Plus they get a pick. Cash for taking back more salary.


Why would we do that. We MIGHT be better this year, but it makes us worse next year...and the year after that... and the year after that... and the... you get the point


The only difference next year would be no Lou, who likely wouldnt re-sign for peanuts.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#110 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:29 am

ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#111 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:35 am

dangermouse wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
That’s intriguing. But I don’t think the Clips want OP’s or Mahinmi’s salary. Getting rid of Blake was a move to shed sheckles and position them to be major players in free agency in 2019.

For us, it does open up the window this year and clears quite a bit of cap space.


They just trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris and a 1st round pick. We aren’t giving up Otto Porter and a 1st for two expiring players


Only one of the 3 players from LAC is expiring (Lou)


Deandre Jordan has a player option next year.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#112 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:43 am

dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?
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Post#113 » by dckingsfan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:58 am

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?

Leaves us at $120M with
Wall/Sato
Beal/Meeks
Oubre
Gallinari
Gortat/Smith

This is when I want to do a PIF SCREAM and yell, why EG, why??? When you swung and missed on Horford and Durant - couldn't you just let it be?
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Post#114 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:09 am

NatP4 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
They just trade Blake Griffin for Tobias Harris and a 1st round pick. We aren’t giving up Otto Porter and a 1st for two expiring players


Only one of the 3 players from LAC is expiring (Lou)


Deandre Jordan has a player option next year.


How likely would he be to leave 20m on the table in a league that is pretty well stocked with quality centers?
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Post#115 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:11 am

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?


I like this too. Gallo has been hurt but when he isnt he can ball.
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NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#116 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:20 am

dangermouse wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?


I like this too. Gallo has been hurt but when he isnt he can ball.



no doubt, healthy Gallo is a top 10 small forward, and he would be cheaper than Otto over the duration of his contract, and yeah I agree with you, Jordan probably opts in. I think this team could really compete:

Wall Sato
Beal Lou
Oubre Sato
Gallo Scott
Jordan Gortat
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#117 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:32 am

I'd probably do this, we throw in a 2nd round pick or two.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yd24fyh3
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#118 » by Error Afflalo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:45 am

NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?


They got a very good haul for Griffin. Harris is a good young player (only 26 - feels like he's been around forever) on a reasonable contract that expires next year. Bradley is a solid player and upcoming free agent who they may or may not keep. The pick is a top-4 protected pick this year, not next year, and there's a decent chance it will end up late lotto.

Most importantly, the Clippers got out of Griffin's long contract before it became ugly. That's the real value here. They weren't going anywhere anyway, now this trade gives them a tremendous amount of flexibility. Man, I'd kill to have a legendary GM with foresight and clout like Jerry West.

As far as the trade you proposed, I want no part of Gallo. He's an injury-prone shell of his former self, and we'd actually be worse off cap wise because his deal runs as long as Mahinmi's at a bigger number. You figure DeAndre will command a salary around what Otto is making now, if not higher. Lou WIll would command more than the $11M or so Morris and Meeks will make combined next year. In short, we're still in cap/luxury tax hell without re-signing Oubre.
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Post#119 » by Error Afflalo » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:59 am

There's no such thing as a healthy Gallo. Games missed in his career:

08-09: 54

09-10: 1

10-11: 20

11-12: 23

12-13: 11

13-14: 82 (ACL)

14-15: 23

15-16: 29

16-17: 19

17-18: 38 thus far

He's owed $21.6M next year and $22.6M the year after. That's a horrible contract. Then there's the issue of him being a poor defender and inefficient scorer (41.8% overall, 36.7% from 3 for his career). His rep far exceeds his game...when he actually plays.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXV 

Post#120 » by NatP4 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:02 am

Error Afflalo wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:ah, late to the party.

Clips are trying to move Jordan and Williams - they want draft picks. Other teams can do better but how about Mahimni, Morris, Smith + 1st?

Okay - pipe dream I know - but a fella can hope.


they only got a 2019 1st for Griffin. Even though they said they want a 1st round pick just for Lou, maybe the sellers market will bring the price down. Maybe they have some interest in a Gallinari-Porter swap within a deal.

there would be some serious cash moving in this, but what about a Porter-Morris-Meeks-Mahinmi for Jordan-Williams-Gallinari swap?


They got a very good haul for Griffin. Harris is a good young player (only 26 - feels like he's been around forever) on a reasonable contract that expires next year. Bradley is a solid player and upcoming free agent who they may or may not keep. The pick is a top-4 protected pick this year, not next year, and there's a decent chance it will end up late lotto.

Most importantly, the Clippers got out of Griffin's long contract before it became ugly. That's the real value here. They weren't going anywhere anyway, now this trade gives them a tremendous amount of flexibility. Man, I'd kill to have a legendary GM with foresight and clout like Jerry West.

As far as the trade you proposed, I want no part of Gallo. He's an injury-prone shell of his former self, and we'd actually be worse off cap wise because his deal runs as long as Mahinmi's at a bigger number. You figure DeAndre will command a salary around what Otto is making now, if not higher. Lou WIll would command more than the $11M or so Morris and Meeks will make combined next year. In short, we're still in cap/luxury tax hell without re-signing Oubre.


None of that made sense to me. The clippers traded their franchise player for garbage and a 1st round pick. It was terrible. Harris doesn’t fit any rebuild timeline, neither does Bradley. That move makes no sense whatsoever.

Gallo has been hurt this season, but he was a great player last year, he’s only 29, has a shorter and cheaper contract than Otto, Deandre Jordan has a player option that he most likely opts in, why would we re sign Lou????

Besides, the idea would be going all in for this season anyways. I’m just brainstorming, I don’t know if I would move Otto anyways.

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