tontoz wrote:nate33 wrote:sfam wrote:If the Cavs take Porter, I doubt Orlando takes Noel, so Noel would probably be the pick.
Orlando fans tend to disagree. They say they would take Noel. There's also a good chance that they trade down a few spots, with someone else moving up to take Noel.
We might have to call Orlando while they're on the clock and work out a pick swap, giving them some modest incentive to do so.
Orlando is just starting their rebuild. They can afford to wait on Noel and tank for next years draft.
People say Orlando goes guard no matter what, but Andrew Nicholson left me with the impression that Huckleberry Hound had grown to 6’9” and developed a sweet jumper. But even there, the release is so slow that he has to fire it off a tripod he keeps in a shoulder bag. They still have big needs up front and Noel complements Big Vuce nicely as MHD noted.
gesa2 wrote:stevemcqueen1 wrote:Case against Bennett:
- Injured each of the last three years.
- Seems immature, but also seems like a nice kid.
- loses focus in games and makes silly errors on D. Loses his man from watching the ball. Leaves his man to give weakside help too early and too frequently and gives up the open dish. Leaves his feet on shot fakes a lot. Gives up deep position to true bigs.
- Motor is inconsistent, doesn't always run back on D. Doesn't always work to get open, will stand on the perimeter and watch the action when he's tired.
- Doesn't know how to play off the ball. Will post up in spots he can't score from, won't shake his man on the perimeter, waits for the pass to come to him and then tries to create his own shot off the dribble.
- Post game in general is under developed, doesn't have jump hooks.
- Settles for bad shots.
- Columnar build that looks like he carries extra weight in the midsection, probably effects his conditioning.
This is what scares me the most about Bennett, not his D (although that scares me some too). All of his highlight reel stuff is from isolation plays or offensive rebounds. If he can't work off of Wall and Beal, he won't be much good in our starting 5. Very few players are efficient enough as iso scorers to be better than running the offense and getting a good shot that way. Do the people who have seen a lot of him see Bennett as capable of working the pick and roll/pick and pop, handling double teams, swinging the ball to the next spot?
This jumped off the page at me when I watched Bennet as well.
While great with the ball, I think he’d be the rawest 5-on-5 high-usage offensive player we’ve brought in since Nick Young, so I’m not entirely sure what his offensive upside is despite his triple threat prowess, which is admittedly excellent. I'm sure he'll learn faster than Nick here, but he's just starting from a very low base.
If the NBA was a 3-on-3 league, I might take him over Porter and I’m not even being sarcastic. A great option in NBA JAM where he just gets the ball in space every time and goes, but from where I’m sitting, he’s going to have to transform almost all facets of his game to be a plus player on a winning team in the pros. It’s uncertain that he can even execute a role in set plays right now.
I would need to hear a really good explanation for his motor and feel very confident about his intangibles-intelligence beyond that to feel comfortable with him. Without at least average awareness, his offensive potential would be more limited than it looks at first glance.
Dat2U wrote:Dark Faze wrote:nate33 wrote:This stat geek likes Porter much more than Bennett. He ranks Porter as a very likely to be an all-star caliber player, with Bennett being a hit or miss prospect. Application of his system to the last 3 draft classes have been
pretty accurate.
awesome stuff Nate and very intriguing
Wow, looking at his model, Noel & Porter are studs. Interesting stuff.
Yeah, it's not shocking that they'd be so high in a statistical model as Noel and Porter are so efficient, make so many plays that gain you possessions and don't make many mistakes that show up on paper. For example, Porter plays 35 minutes a game but his combined fouls and TOs is only 3.5 a game (.10 TOV%). That's fairly shocking. With Noel, if you add his blocks, assists and steals together and compare it to combined fouls and TOs, it's a 1.8:1 ratio. Again, fairly shocking and you could do this with a number of stats on both guys.
They're just very HI-IQ players who emphasize the sorts of plays that help you win. I was watching Noel versus LSU the other night and when a guard lost the handle on his dribble, Noel was on the floor scrapping for the ball before anyone even realized there was a loose ball (even the guy dribbling it wasn't able to really react before Noel). Just very impressive awareness.
