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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1181 » by penbeast0 » Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:43 pm

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I’d be all over Suggs. Orlando took a massive turn in the wrong direction recently with the Black and Howard picks.

I wonder if they would do a Kispert Suggs swap?


That leaves us with even more undersized guards. Suggs and a decent pick for Tyus Jones?


A rebuilding team in Orlando, isn't trading away their former top 5 pick a couple years ago(that has developed into a really good player)+a draft pick, for a journeyman backup PG.

I'm sure they would have interest in a young-ish low usage off ball shooter to put next to Wagner/Banchero/Black/Howard though, and Suggs represents significantly more long term upside for us, at a position of need.


Two is a position of need? We have our highest played player (Poole) and our top 10 pick last year (Davis) there and both are already undersized to move to the 3 as well. Suggs would be in the Delon Wright role as backup combo guard.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1182 » by TGW » Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:54 pm

How can the Wizards take advantage of this? Taking on Collins for a pick would be an OKC move.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1183 » by JAR69 » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:02 pm

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JAR69 wrote:How about cut out Houston instead?

Knicks trade Fournier and our protected first round pick back to us in exchange for our 2026 and 2027 second round picks (the picks they would get if the first rounder doesn't convey by 2026).

Based on our rebuilding plan, there is a decent chance the first rounder doesn't convey. And they get salary relief to help sign Josh Hart, stay farther away from the luxury tax and aprons, keep the full non-taxpayer MLE, and get an $18.8 million TPE. Maybe the Knicks think that's a little light for a potential back-of-lottery pick.

I don’t understand. As you point out, that pick we owe the. Is very unlikely to convey, so it really is two 2nds. Essentially we get absolutely nothing in return from the Knicks. We are turning Jones into Fournier with no compensation at all.


Sorry, I wasn't clear. In my proposal, Jones doesn't go out. It is a fairly straight BOYD trade.

Knicks out: Fournier, Wizards protected first round pick
Knicks in: Wizards 2026 and 2027 second round picks

That is, the Knicks give up some chance of getting a late lottery picks (30-40% maybe) in exchange for getting out of the $18.8 million for Fournier in 2023-24 (there is a team option in 2024-25). That allows them to resign Hart without getting close to the luxury tax or aprons, and creates an $18.8 million TPE that could be very useful for bringing in talent.

To me, that feels pretty even, but maybe a little light for the Knicks. Others may feel differently.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1184 » by NatP4 » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:04 pm

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That leaves us with even more undersized guards. Suggs and a decent pick for Tyus Jones?


A rebuilding team in Orlando, isn't trading away their former top 5 pick a couple years ago(that has developed into a really good player)+a draft pick, for a journeyman backup PG.

I'm sure they would have interest in a young-ish low usage off ball shooter to put next to Wagner/Banchero/Black/Howard though, and Suggs represents significantly more long term upside for us, at a position of need.


Two is a position of need? We have our highest played player (Poole) and our top 10 pick last year (Davis) there and both are already undersized to move to the 3 as well. Suggs would be in the Delon Wright role as backup combo guard.


Suggs is a quality starter combo guard ala Kyle Lowry. I'm just saying, I'd go after him if he's not in Orlando's future plans.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1185 » by DCZards » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:04 pm

TGW wrote:How can the Wizards take advantage of this? Taking on Collins for a pick would be an OKC move.

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Might one of these Hawk players be the answer?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1186 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:26 pm

nate33 wrote:
JAR69 wrote:How about cut out Houston instead?

Knicks trade Fournier and our protected first round pick back to us in exchange for our 2026 and 2027 second round picks (the picks they would get if the first rounder doesn't convey by 2026).

Based on our rebuilding plan, there is a decent chance the first rounder doesn't convey. And they get salary relief to help sign Josh Hart, stay farther away from the luxury tax and aprons, keep the full non-taxpayer MLE, and get an $18.8 million TPE. Maybe the Knicks think that's a little light for a potential back-of-lottery pick.

I don’t understand. As you point out, that pick we owe the. Is very unlikely to convey, so it really is two 2nds. Essentially we get absolutely nothing in return from the Knicks. We are turning Jones into Fournier with no compensation at all.

Thanks, nate.... I was trying to figure out what I wasn't understanding in JAR's idea.... :)
Wait... I just saw Jar's explanation.

The R1 pick isn't going to convey. Hence this trade amounts to giving the Knicks 2 R2 picks now rather than later. In return for which we eat Fournier's expiring salary. Don't see a reason to do this.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1187 » by NatP4 » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:36 pm

Wright+Morris for Deandre Hunter+Onyeka Okongwu+2024 1st via SAC.

gets Atlanta out of the tax this year, and next year, or close to it. Hunter isn't the locker room cancer that Collins might be. Okongwu is a piece for the future.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1188 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 24, 2023 4:48 pm

DCZards wrote:
TGW wrote:How can the Wizards take advantage of this? Taking on Collins for a pick would be an OKC move.

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Zards need front court help. Muscala and Gallo (who is always hurt) ain’t the answer. And Vukcevic and PBJ are too raw to be expected to play big minutes.

Might one of these Hawk players be the answer?

It feels strange to say it, since either of these guys could be my grandson, but they're too old. They don't fit the timeline.

Plus, Collins somehow has not returned to form, & Hunter... what a mystery man! I don't know what's happened to him, but he's gone completely down the tubes: he doesn't rebound, he doesn't score, he's kind of a mess....

Your point is still a good one, however: it would be great to find a way to add a young 4. I'd love to trade for Jalen Johnson if the Hawks were interested. Which seems unlikely. :(

Frichuela mentioned Garuba, & he would be a good place to start (if Houston were open to the idea...).
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1189 » by shrink » Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:29 pm

Hey guys, Wolves fan here. i thought some of you might appreciate a little perspective from a very likely trade partner.

The Timberwolves right now are in need of a decent PG to back up Mike Conley for one season, and likely become the starting PG in 2024. Conley played surprisingly well for the Wolves when they acquired him in a D’Angelo Russell trade at the deadline. He’s specifically valuable to MIN because we want him to teach other players how to feed Rudy Gobert (he said it took him a year to figure it out in Utah!), and because we want him whispering in the ear of Anthony Edwards about professionalism. However, Conley is 35, so I expect any back up PG acquisition this year will get plenty of minutes and several starts. Moreover, this PG needs to cheap (MIN will have extensions kick in for 2024 where the other four starters have max or near-max deals), and be a willing passer. Finally, MIN doesn’t have a surefire way under the CBA to find a salary slot to bring in a free agent PG in 2024. The time to get a back up PG, and heir-apparent, is now.

Personally, I view Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delonte Wright as similarly ranked PG’s, maybe 25-40 in the NBA. All three have skills that would compliment the Wolves. At 31, Delonte may not be wright as a starting PG for the future. MIN fans would probably love Tyus back to his hometown and the place where he started his NBA career. He can’t extend immediately, so it might be dangerous for the team and for Tyus. But it feels like MEM, after the Ja penalties came down, only traded him because they wanted to find him a starting gig, so hopefully you will give him that. Monte Morris can be signed and extended, and as a gem Tim Connolly found in the second round, I expect he’ll be the player he pursues (along with calls to ORL).

Since I ranked the three PG’s 25-40, I don’t think there will be great offers for any of them, which is good news for MIN, because they don’t have anything great to offer anyway. MIN has an expiring Taurean Prince at $7.65. He’s not starting level, but big wings are always useful (and tradeable), and an added bonus with TP is that he has been great as a mentor for younger players in Minnesota. MIN has no future 1sts to offer and only three weak future seconds. Wendell Moore Jr, the 26th pick last year from Duke, 21 yo 6-5 SG from Duke, who okay at everything and great at nothing. Perhaps the most intriguing thought might be some kind of Naz Reid sign-and-trade. MIN has been working very hard to keep him, but there is certainly more opportunity on the Wizards.

Good luck this year! I’m glad you guys have started a new direction, and you’re one of the few interesting teams. I think you picked a good time to zig, when so many teams are zagging to be competitive.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1190 » by mhd » Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:05 pm

shrink wrote:Hey guys, Wolves fan here. i thought some of you might appreciate a little perspective from a very likely trade partner.

The Timberwolves right now are in need of a decent PG to back up Mike Conley for one season, and likely become the starting PG in 2024. Conley played surprisingly well for the Wolves when they acquired him in a D’Angelo Russell trade at the deadline. He’s specifically valuable to MIN because we want him to teach other players how to feed Rudy Gobert (he said it took him a year to figure it out in Utah!), and because we want him whispering in the ear of Anthony Edwards about professionalism. However, Conley is 35, so I expect any back up PG acquisition this year will get plenty of minutes and several starts. Moreover, this PG needs to cheap (MIN will have extensions kick in for 2024 where the other four starters have max or near-max deals), and be a willing passer. Finally, MIN doesn’t have a surefire way under the CBA to find a salary slot to bring in a free agent PG in 2024. The time to get a back up PG, and heir-apparent, is now.

Personally, I view Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delonte Wright as similarly ranked PG’s, maybe 25-40 in the NBA. All three have skills that would compliment the Wolves. At 31, Delonte may not be wright as a starting PG for the future. MIN fans would probably love Tyus back to his hometown and the place where he started his NBA career. He can’t extend immediately, so it might be dangerous for the team and for Tyus. But it feels like MEM, after the Ja penalties came down, only traded him because they wanted to find him a starting gig, so hopefully you will give him that. Monte Morris can be signed and extended, and as a gem Tim Connolly found in the second round, I expect he’ll be the player he pursues (along with calls to ORL).

Since I ranked the three PG’s 25-40, I don’t think there will be great offers for any of them, which is good news for MIN, because they don’t have anything great to offer anyway. MIN has an expiring Taurean Prince at $7.65. He’s not starting level, but big wings are always useful (and tradeable), and an added bonus with TP is that he has been great as a mentor for younger players in Minnesota. MIN has no future 1sts to offer and only three weak future seconds. Perhaps the most intriguing thought might be some kind of Naz Reid sign-and-trade. MIN has been working very hard to keep him, but there is certainly more opportunity on the Wizards.

Good luck this year! I’m glad you guys have started a new direction, and you’re one of the few interesting teams. I think you picked a good time to zig, when so many teams are zagging to be competitive.


Nice post. Yeah, I'd trade Monte for two future 2nds easily if I could. We need to embrace the tank this year. Wright, IMO, is more valuable to contenders due to his incredible defense. He could be flipped for a Crowder-like package at the deadline.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1191 » by doclinkin » Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:00 pm

shrink wrote:Personally, I view Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, and Delonte Wright as similarly ranked PG’s, maybe 25-40 in the NBA. All three have skills that would compliment the Wolves.
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Since I ranked the three PG’s 25-40, I don’t think there will be great offers for any of them


Hey welcome to the boards. I do think you undersell the value of these three. Morris and Jones carry a truly ridiculous AST:TO ratio. Both shoot well from outside. They are ideal game managers for any team that already has its lead scorers. The Twolves are not the only squad that has this profile.

Delon is valuable for his defense. Advanced metrics show him as a standout in this role. Teams need a stopper at the point of attack. That he is big for the position and can hit a 3 also raises his value.

You are correct that the Wiz are looking for is future picks. And similarly correct that the TWolves lack assets in this regard. If I'm the Wiz front office, I thank you for the phone call and say we will keep it in mind, but listen for better offers. That said they are also looking for prospects, and we have a potential hole at Center. If the Wolves offered a package with Luka Garza and 2nds then I could be interested in something for our mutual benefit.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1192 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:07 pm

Hey Shrink -- thanks for stopping by.

I don't know whether our new F.O. guys would have any interest in Taurean Prince. He's expiring & doesn't fit their timeline at all, being 29. Mainly they seem to covet draft capitol.

OTOH, we do have one too many pretty good PGs.
How attached are you to Josh Minott, if at all?

I thought your team liked Jordan McLaughlin -- a high-value low-cost find ala Monte Morris. No?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1193 » by shrink » Sat Jun 24, 2023 10:45 pm

payitforward wrote:Hey Shrink -- thanks for stopping by.

I don't know whether our new F.O. guys would have any interest in Taurean Prince. He's expiring & doesn't fit their timeline at all, being 29. Mainly they seem to covet draft capitol.

OTOH, we do have one too many pretty good PGs.
How attached are you to Josh Minott, if at all?

I thought your team liked Jordan McLaughlin -- a high-value low-cost find ala Monte Morris. No?

Good questions!

The story on Josh Minott is that Tim Connolly really likes him. He’s still a big development type player, but when he surprised everyone with a strong Summer League, Connolly signed him to a Hinkie Special. Last year, when Gobert trade cost us this year’s 1st, Connolly said he was keeping Josh down in Iowa to develop, and thinks he would be considered this year’s first round talent. He has electric athleticism, and plays with incredible energy all the time, but he still has plenty to learn. It’s funny though, he often still makes plays, and I’m still not sure if he’s in the right place randomly or he has a secret nose for the ball. I think of Thor’s line, “yeah, things seem to work out for me.”

I think MIN is more attached to Minott than their 1st round pick next year, Wendell Moore Jr. I had to edit him in because I forgot to mention him, which I think says something. WMJ is older and more polished, but he’s a high floor, cerebral player, like a lot of Dukie’s. But an important thing here is that both could get decent bench minutes in the future. With the team expensive at several positions, they’ll have opportunity for cheap players to fill the roster. MIN already has gaps at guard (Jaylen Nowell is likely gone) for WMJ minutes, and Minott will fill in if Prince is traded. I agree Prince’s age doesn’t fit your timeline, but MIN found him to be a big help the younger players on their roster, where they’d often gravitate towards the vet on and off the court.

Lastly, kudos for recognizing Jordan McLaughlin. A couple years ago, Finch loved him because he played Finch-style. Unlike DLo, McLaughlin would rush the ball up the court, and immediately pass to start the offense. The team did well when he was at the helm, and still like him a lot. Unfortunately, McLaughlin had that same injury as KAT for much of the season, and for some reason, couldn’t make his three’s at all. I suspect that Connolly will pick up his team option for slightly more than the vet min to maintain team continuity, but he will decidedly be the Wolves third PG and get some DNP-CDs when SloMo or Ant help with some back up PG minutes.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1194 » by payitforward » Sat Jun 24, 2023 11:46 pm

Shrink -- always great to get a chance to dive into another team's issues, strategies, push 'n pulls, so thanks!

I don't recognize the line you credit to "Thor" (from the 2011 movie? Or... do you know the actual Thor? If so, wow!!), but it's nice that someone feels like it's true for him (actually... for my sins I suppose... I do!).

I'm with Connolly on Minott, btw -- I thought he was an extraordinary bargain at 45 in last year's draft.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1195 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 12:32 am

I wonder if the nicks would give us our pick back plus something in a
Monte, wright, Gill
For
Even F

Trade ?

Give them a lot of depth and injury insurance and allows us to open some team slots. Also gives us a French vet to make the kid feel more at home even was a good scorer back in him prime. Maybe gelap the kid with his game.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1196 » by shrink » Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:32 am

payitforward wrote:Shrink -- always great to get a chance to dive into another team's issues, strategies, push 'n pulls, so thanks!

I don't recognize the line you credit to "Thor" (from the 2011 movie? Or... do you know the actual Thor? If so, wow!!), but it's nice that someone feels like it's true for him (actually... for my sins I suppose... I do!).

:lol: Thanks. Actually it’s Thor’s line from Thor: Ragnarok. The best one by a mile.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1197 » by payitforward » Sun Jun 25, 2023 2:29 am

That's great, Shrink -- & it's more or less what I meant about myself. I'm the oldest person on this board, have lived a lot of places, done a lot of things, & could not begin to list all my mistakes. Yet... "everything seems to work out." :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1198 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:40 am

Dude I would 100000% percent do a trade with det
Shamett
For
Bagley.

Bagley has improved, seems to have matured and is on a team friendly deal at the same length of shemmet technically. The fit is better cuz now we are mega thin up front. We have plenty of wings and guards. I'd take a flyer on a 24 year old Bagley. Big boys ten to be lately bloomers more often than not and Bagley's issues were maturity based. I take a shot on him over shammet eating minutes from Bilal, kispert, Rollins, and PBJ.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1199 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:49 am

gambitx777 wrote:I wonder if the nicks would give us our pick back plus something in a
Monte, wright, Gill
For
Even F

Trade ?

Give them a lot of depth and injury insurance and allows us to open some team slots. Also gives us a French vet to make the kid feel more at home even was a good scorer back in him prime. Maybe gelap the kid with his game.

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That’s a lot of assets to give up for two 2nd round picks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLV 

Post#1200 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:51 am

gambitx777 wrote:Dude I would 100000% percent do a trade with det
Shamett
For
Bagley.

Bagley has improved, seems to have matured and is on a team friendly deal at the same length of shemmet technically. The fit is better cuz now we are mega thin up front. We have plenty of wings and guards. I'd take a flyer on a 24 year old Bagley. Big boys ten to be lately bloomers more often than not and Bagley's issues were maturity based. I take a shot on him over shammet eating minutes from Bilal, kispert, Rollins, and PBJ.

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This makes good sense for us. But does Detroit want Shamet?

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