Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

theboomking · Post #1361 » by **theboomking** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:14 pm

FAH1223 wrote:hmm..Williams doesn't give good effort on defense and the Wizards were actually better on defense with McGee on the floor

Plus, I don't think Williams is going to be able to guard a lot of 3s and he will be too small to guard 4s.

Williams ended two games with game winning blocks. I agree that Williams hasn't shown he can guard a 3. Williams is however about the same size of Blake Griffin, and has a better standing reach that a lot of PF's. He should be able to guard PF's just fine.

Regarding JaVale, he did make a positive impact on defense. As I recall, the difference was about 1 point per 100 possessions improvement over Armstrong, Yi, Blatche, and Seraphin, who backed him up. On a team with a single decent defensive backup center, McGee would have been a net negative.

To each their own however.

tontoz · Post #1362 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:14 pm

FAH1223 wrote:hmm..Williams doesn't give good effort on defense and the Wizards were actually better on defense with McGee on the floor

Plus, I don't think Williams is going to be able to guard a lot of 3s and he will be too small to guard 4s.

How is he too small to guard 4s? DWill's standing reach is actually an inch higher than Horford and he weighed 248.

theboomking · Post #1363 » by **theboomking** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:19 pm

Ten points, eight rebounds, two goaltending calls, multiple missed defensive rotations, multiple open looks surrendered at the basket after falling for pump fakes, and leading the league in blocks and alley oop dunks does not make for an irreplaceable player. We're talking about a 10 point, 8 rebound headcase.

GhostsOfGil · Post #1364 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:19 pm

ugh 2 more days.... comon already

TGW · Post #1365 » by **TGW** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:22 pm

theboomking wrote:Ten points, eight rebounds, two goaltending calls, multiple missed defensive rotations, multiple open looks surrendered at the basket after falling for pump fakes, and leading the league in blocks and alley oop dunks does not make for an irreplaceable player. We're talking about a 10 point, 8 rebound headcase.

yea...that still led the team in +/-, rpg per 36, and blocks.

I wouldn't mind McGee for Williams, but let's not act like McGee doesn't have an impact on this team. They play MUCH better with him than without.

kirubel94 · Post #1366 » by **kirubel94** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:25 pm

I see us getting kanter with one of those trades, utah probably, and also dealing blatche to get another 1st rounder to pick up another player.

tontoz · Post #1367 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:26 pm

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:ugh 2 more days.... comon already

Yeah i am getting tired of talking about it. I do like the trade up rumors though.

jivelikenice · Post #1368 » by **jivelikenice** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:30 pm

If the T'Wolves are offering #2 straight up for Bynum, do you actually think they'll settle for McGee straight up? I would say that is far fetched and they probably want a pick along with him which IMO is too much. Trading McGee creates a hole which is much more difficult to fill than the hole that Derrick Williams would fill for us. 1 for 1 would I do the deal?....Maybe, but I'd lose a lot of sleep in making that decision. I'm having nightmares thinking about a Williams, Blatche, Lewis defensive front line....

The move up for Kanter is solid. I would like to keep pick #18 because I think a good sg/sf will be there at that selecion, but if we can move up to 3 or 4 and get a solid prospect its worth it. The prospects on the board @ 6 have limited upside IMO and project to be role players and if we have to consolidate resources to move up I think its worth it. I would hope that Ernie still considers buying a late 1st from another team or using #34 + cash to move up is a good sg/sf slips....

RT31 · Post #1369 » by **RT31** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:34 pm

tontoz wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:hmm..Williams doesn't give good effort on defense and the Wizards were actually better on defense with McGee on the floor

Plus, I don't think Williams is going to be able to guard a lot of 3s and he will be too small to guard 4s.

How is he too small to guard 4s? DWill's standing reach is actually an inch higher than Horford and he weighed 248.

didn't we debate this already? DWill has a similar standing reach to Horford, Bosh, Boozer, Noah...other legit PFs. He has the length to guard 4s. I'm not saying he is better/worse a defender, but the notion that he is too small is simply not true.

Post #1370 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:45 pm

From Pro Basketball talk not sure how legit it is:

As it stands expect the @WashWizards to trade up w/ the @Utah_Jazz or @Cavs to take Enes Kanter. Per a source Wiz have him #2 on their board

I assume Williams is #1 on their board. I would hate to trade the 18th pick of the Morris Twins, Faried and Singleton are all still there.

Jay81 · Post #1371 » by **Jay81** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:47 pm

is it time to start a new thread

lather me with Dan Rather and blather part 5

DCZards · Post #1372 » by **DCZards** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:50 pm

Cramer wrote:
doc.end wrote:Yeah because Europe is a Mecca of one on one isolation basketball

Well, when isolated at the free throw line he shot a robust 44%. Kinda a red flag in my book.

Forget his hands or lack of rebounding. If the guy is hitting only 44% of his free throws (and he's not Shaq or Wilt Chamberlin) then I don't want him.

tontoz · Post #1373 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:51 pm

Rafael122 wrote:From Pro Basketball talk not sure how legit it is:

As it stands expect the @WashWizards to trade up w/ the @Utah_Jazz or @Cavs to take Enes Kanter. Per a source Wiz have him #2 on their board

I assume Williams is #1 on their board. I would hate to trade the 18th pick of the Morris Twins, Faried and Singleton are all still there.

The NBA is about quality, not quantity. Trading up makes much more sense than trading down.

When you think back to all the draft day trades the only thing that people remember is who got the best player in the deal. Nobody remembers the extra picks/players involved.

Jay81 · Post #1374 » by **Jay81** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:00 pm

Rafael122 wrote:From Pro Basketball talk not sure how legit it is:

As it stands expect the @WashWizards to trade up w/ the @Utah_Jazz or @Cavs to take Enes Kanter. Per a source Wiz have him #2 on their board

I assume Williams is #1 on their board. I would hate to trade the 18th pick of the Morris Twins, Faried and Singleton are all still there.

unless we can buy a pick but Faried and Vesley for Kanter? wow

tontoz · Post #1375 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:00 pm

DCZards wrote:
Cramer wrote:
doc.end wrote:Yeah because Europe is a Mecca of one on one isolation basketball

Well, when isolated at the free throw line he shot a robust 44%. Kinda a red flag in my book.

Forget his hands or lack of rebounding. If the guy is hitting only 44% of his free throws (and he's not Shaq or Wilt Chamberlin) then I don't want him.

24/54. That is just sad.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ode=000925

Jay81 · Post #1376 » by **Jay81** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:10 pm

DCZards wrote:
Cramer wrote:
doc.end wrote:Yeah because Europe is a Mecca of one on one isolation basketball

Well, when isolated at the free throw line he shot a robust 44%. Kinda a red flag in my book.

Forget his hands or lack of rebounding. If the guy is hitting only 44% of his free throws (and he's not Shaq or Wilt Chamberlin) then I don't want him.

24/54. That is just sad.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ode=000925[/quote]

he had a great 2 pt FG% though:)

the rebounding numbers make Nick Young look like Moses Malone

Cramer · Post #1377 » by **Cramer** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:11 pm

DCZards wrote:
Cramer wrote:
doc.end wrote:Yeah because Europe is a Mecca of one on one isolation basketball

Well, when isolated at the free throw line he shot a robust 44%. Kinda a red flag in my book.

Forget his hands or lack of rebounding. If the guy is hitting only 44% of his free throws (and he's not Shaq or Wilt Chamberlin) then I don't want him.

I mean where do you start with this guy? A ton of people want him because he'd look great on the wing with Wall on the break. What else does this guy bring to the table? Nothing.

I'd take Leonard in a heart beat over this guy. I just hope he's gone when we pick. I'd rather roll the dice with Donatas at 18.

AnotherFinn · Post #1378 » by **AnotherFinn** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:15 pm

tontoz wrote:http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=SRB&PlayerID=78508

24/54. That is just sad.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/p ... ode=000925

use: http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... erID=78508
you see other 45 games he played this season (not that it changes his bad FT this season, last season was better).

AnotherFinn · Post #1379 » by **AnotherFinn** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:17 pm

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:I wonder who N'diaye would like to play with? Wait, on second thought, I don't really care.

I think he wants to play with his friend, some dude called John Wall .-)

Post #1380 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:20 pm

TGW wrote:
theboomking wrote:Ten points, eight rebounds, two goaltending calls, multiple missed defensive rotations, multiple open looks surrendered at the basket after falling for pump fakes, and leading the league in blocks and alley oop dunks does not make for an irreplaceable player. We're talking about a 10 point, 8 rebound headcase.

yea...that still led the team in +/-, rpg per 36, and blocks.

I wouldn't mind McGee for Williams, but let's not act like McGee doesn't have an impact on this team. They play MUCH better with him than without.

Yeah...so much better that they still only won 23 games. Not sure that's actually an argument in favor of McGee.