Official Trade Thread - Part XXVI

Upper Decker · Post #1461 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:49 pm

I'd like to send out Webster in a deal for Deng. Unfortunately, I don't see how a trade works for Deng with Webster + trash.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1462 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:49 pm

Yeah not sure I believe the seriousness of any Deng talks. Salaries don't work.

Plus Deng doesn't shoot threes.

truwizfan4evr · Post #1463 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:51 pm

Why would we want Deng? He's washed up and on his final year of his contract.

AFM · Post #1464 » by **AFM** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:51 pm

And Deng can't be traded with another CLE player. So it has to be for him and only him.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1465 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:51 pm

Nivek wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

Webster, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton for Deng would work. It would push the Wizards a shade into the luxury tax, though. Could add in Harrington to fix that.

Four for one means the Cavs would have to include players or cut players or get a third team involved. I don't know about that. And we'd probably have to go and sign some players. Plus pay tax. Eh...

Seems like a lot just to get out of Martell's contract.

Dark Faze · Post #1466 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:53 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Nivek wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

Webster, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton for Deng would work. It would push the Wizards a shade into the luxury tax, though. Could add in Harrington to fix that.

Four for one means the Cavs would have to include players or cut players or get a third team involved. I don't know about that. And we'd probably have to go and sign some players. Plus pay tax. Eh...

Seems like a lot just to get out of Martell's contract.

It would be a significant upgrade for a playoff run though, which is Ernies only focus of course

leaves us completely without a backup center though

Dat2U · Post #1467 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:55 pm

A 2nd rd pick for Jordan Hill??? Really???

closg00 · Post #1468 » by **closg00** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:55 pm

Dark Faze wrote:the fact that we didn't pick Noel hurts really bad reading this stuff and seeing how the SF rotation has worked out

and worst part is none of it is even Ottos fault, just terrible GM work

I am still trying to understand our glut of SF's and drafting selection, especially considering the current Deng rumors now.

Nivek · Post #1469 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:55 pm

AFM wrote:And Deng can't be traded with another CLE player. So it has to be for him and only him.

Not really. The teams can structure the trade to include other players -- they just have to be structured as simultaneous, parallel deals, not part of the Deng trade.

Upper Decker · Post #1470 » by **Upper Decker** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:57 pm

Nivek wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

Webster, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton for Deng would work. It would push the Wizards a shade into the luxury tax, though. Could add in Harrington to fix that.

As dumb as it sounds the Wizards need to hang on to Seraphin. They can't go with only 3 legit big men (Nene, Gortat, Booker). Maynor would need to go instead of Seraphin.

Nivek · Post #1471 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:59 pm

No, the Wizards don't need Seraphin. They can get by with Gortat, Nenê and Booker. Plus Deng and Ariza, who can both play SF and PF. Plus, they'd have some roster spots, so they could sign a free agent body or make another deal for a big.

WallWithTheDime · Post #1472 » by **WallWithTheDime** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:59 pm

I'm tired of seeing other teams make trades for decent players for literally nothing, such as the Cavaliers, why can't we do that?

Dat2U · Post #1473 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:00 pm

Upper Decker wrote:
Nivek wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:A deal for Deng seems hard to do without including Ariza

Ves, Web, and Seraphin still isn't enough to make the salaries match

And trading Ariza for him would be such an odd move at this point

Webster, Vesely, Seraphin and Singleton for Deng would work. It would push the Wizards a shade into the luxury tax, though. Could add in Harrington to fix that.

As dumb as it sounds the Wizards need to hang on to Seraphin. They can't go with only 3 legit big men (Nene, Gortat, Booker). Maynor would need to go instead of Seraphin.

No they don't. Sign a vet big for the minimum. It would probably be an upgrade over Seraphin.

nuposse04 · Post #1474 » by **nuposse04** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:00 pm

Dat2U wrote:A 2nd rd pick for Jordan Hill??? Really???

Jan+'15 2nd should be done immediately.

AFM · Post #1475 » by **AFM** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:01 pm

Nivek wrote:
AFM wrote:And Deng can't be traded with another CLE player. So it has to be for him and only him.

Not really. The teams can structure the trade to include other players -- they just have to be structured as simultaneous, parallel deals, not part of the Deng trade.

But the trades would have to be made separately with the salaries working for each separate trade--not for the total salaries, correct?

Nivek · Post #1476 » by **Nivek** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:03 pm

AFM wrote:
Nivek wrote:
AFM wrote:And Deng can't be traded with another CLE player. So it has to be for him and only him.

Not really. The teams can structure the trade to include other players -- they just have to be structured as simultaneous, parallel deals, not part of the Deng trade.

But the trades would have to be made separately with the salaries working for each separate trade--not for the total salaries, correct?

It gets extremely complicated. The deals don't have to be structured the same in both directions. Each team can structure the transactions in whatever way is most advantageous to them. So...I don't know.

mohammed10 · Post #1477 » by **mohammed10** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:05 pm

WallWithTheDime wrote:I'm tired of seeing other teams make trades for decent players for literally nothing, such as the Cavaliers, why can't we do that?

Are you new to this forum?

Lemme introduce you to our GM...

AFM · Post #1478 » by **AFM** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:05 pm

I finally stumped the excel toting stat spewing know-it-all of the board. Ha ha! I'm internet famous!!

verbal8 · Post #1479 » by **verbal8** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:06 pm

Nivek wrote:
AFM wrote:And Deng can't be traded with another CLE player. So it has to be for him and only him.

Not really. The teams can structure the trade to include other players -- they just have to be structured as simultaneous, parallel deals, not part of the Deng trade.

There does have to be a part of the deal where it is for Deng. I don't see a realistic one that doesn't include Ariza and filler or Nene.

One interesting thing about Deng's contract is it is just too small to be traded for Gasol.

mohammed10 · Post #1480 » by **mohammed10** » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:09 pm

Deng for Nene?

Salaries are close...throw in one of Ernie's kinds to balance it out and you have a deal w/o moving TA