Otto Porter Part 2

[80sballboy]

Wall leaves if he doesn't match right

Wall may leave with or without Otto, but that's in two years.

[JWizmentality]

Someone clarify something for me. If he signed the offer sheet, why is he meeting with the Jazz? Once/If we match isn't that it?

[Benjammin]

It will be interesting to see if there is a trade kicker or fourth year player option. Apparently Brooklyn has done that in the past with offer sheets.

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[keynote]

Someone clarify something for me. If he signed the offer sheet, why is he meeting with the Jazz? Once/If we match isn't that it?

I assume he canceled his meeting with Utah.

From some reports, Utah couldn't offer the full max. So, given that a BKN offer was the only way Porter would get a match, once they offered it, he signed it.

[nate33]

So Brooklyn offered 4 years $106M. My guess is that negotiations broke down between Otto and the Wizards on how much that 5th year should be worth. The Wizards were willing to commit to something like $15M on that fifth year and therefore offered something like 5 years $121M. Otto felt that the fifth year should have been guaranteed at something more like $20-25M and wanted a 5-year deal worth $130M. The Wizards refused so Otto took the 4-year deal from Brooklyn.

If that's how it broke down, then I think EG made the right move. I really don't think Otto will command a $20-25M a year salary in 2021. The downside is that, by matching the Brooklyn deal, the Wizards are likely to face a luxtax payment unless they can find a way to unload Jason Smith's contract (or Gortat's).

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Not much reason to bluff now, so I assume the reports are true.

[TheNetsFan]

I'm obviously biased, but if I'm Washington I make calls over the next few days before matching. See what they could get with a $23+mil trade exception. If you believe in Oubre & depth is your biggest issue, $23mil could plug a few holes. If you can find depth, a sign & trade becomes an option. My understanding is that terms have been agreed upon, but nothing signed yet.

[NatP4]

I'm obviously biased, but if I'm Washington I make calls over the next few days before matching. See what they could get with a $23+mil trade exception. If you believe in Oubre & depth is your biggest issue, $23mil could plug a few holes. If you can find depth, a sign & trade becomes an option. My understanding is that terms have been agreed upon, but nothing signed yet.

What big names are even still out there for a sign and trade situation? Otto is worth every penny of that max deal and Oubre hasn't proved anything yet in the NBA

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So Brooklyn offered 4 years $106M. My guess is that negotiations broke down between Otto and the Wizards on how much that 5th year should be worth. The Wizards were willing to commit to something like $15M on that fifth year and therefore offered something like 5 years $121M. Otto felt that the fifth year should have been guaranteed at something more like $20-25M and wanted a 5-year deal worth $130M. The Wizards refused so Otto took the 4-year deal from Brooklyn.

If that's how it broke down, then I think EG made the right move. I really don't think Otto will command a $20-25M a year salary in 2021. The downside is that, by matching the Brooklyn deal, the Wizards are likely to face a luxtax payment unless they can find a way to unload Jason Smith's contract (or Gortat's).

No-brainer matching the offer and it's better for the org not having that 5th year, I wish we had done the exact same thing with Beal.

I think someone will take advantage of Ernie's need to shed salary, holding-on to my seat for that.

[JWizmentality]

We need to unload some contracts. Ernie going to get taken to the woodshed. Not very optimistic.

[80sballboy]

We need to unload some contracts. Ernie going to get taken to the woodshed. Not very optimistic.

We'll see. If they really want Cousins next season to appease Wall, yes, they are going to need to dump some $$$ and get players with one year left back.

[NatP4]

We need to unload some contracts. Ernie going to get taken to the woodshed. Not very optimistic.

We'll see. If they really want Cousins next season to appease Wall, yes, they are going to need to dump some $$$ and get players with one year left back.

Would very much like to see a full post detailing how exactly the wizards could shed enough to pursue Boogie next offseason. Assume they would have to dump Mahinmi/Gortat/Smith and renounce anyone else hitting free agency next year while also only taking on, like you said, 1 year expiring deals. Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Cousins would be really good though.

By my math, even if they do all of that, that would only create around 10 million or so below the cap and they would need 18 million more somehow. Don't see it as possible without a sign and trade

[NatP4]

If you need to use bird rights to sign a guy like we would with boogie, but you don't wanna give up REAL trade value for him, is it as simple as the Chris Paul/Paul Millsap situations to acquire those bird rights??? Do we just wait till next offseason when everyone knows boogie is leaving and do a sign and trade to go over the cap? Cause that seems very possible to creat enough room for that.

[FAH1223]

We need to unload some contracts. Ernie going to get taken to the woodshed. Not very optimistic.

We'll see. If they really want Cousins next season to appease Wall, yes, they are going to need to dump some $$$ and get players with one year left back.

Would very much like to see a full post detailing how exactly the wizards could shed enough to pursue Boogie next offseason. Assume they would have to dump Mahinmi/Gortat/Smith and renounce anyone else hitting free agency next year while also only taking on, like you said, 1 year expiring deals. Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Cousins would be really good though.

By my math, even if they do all of that, that would only create around 10 million or so below the cap and they would need 18 million more somehow. Don't see it as possible without a sign and trade

Only way to get Cousins is in 2019.

He'd have to sign a 1+1 deal next year though.

[NatP4]

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This man could EASILY average 20 PPG with higher usage, also could get him more minutes at the 4 and post up him up WAY MORE, use him as a screener to get him even more shots. Should be taking the 2nd most shots on the team every night. Otto could easily be a 20 point 7 rebound 4 assist player if we just used him more.

Don't rule out the big leap next season. It's not really up to him though.

[FAH1223]

This!!!!! Is exactly what I was saying and to the guy saying I hope he doesn't want to be here....don't think for me. I am a Hoya fan, I am also a Wizards fan; more importantly I am a Otto Porter fan!!!! Let me clarify my statements; Otto damn sure would love to be here; but he is not a fool, it comes a point when you have had enough of the garbage. If you really wanted him here you wouldn't be letting other teams do the negotiating for you. Deal would've been done from the start of FA. Everyone and their mother knew Otto was going to get the Max. Hell, I heard it said on a national radio program before the allstar break; deal should've been open & shut. Grunfield has never liked Otto; his actions are quite clear. Leonis needs to wake up get this clown Grunfield out of town. If he doesn't want to spend then sell the team to someone who does. Just to remind folks the Wizards matching Otto would take them into the Luxury Tax and then there's the Wall extension that Wall hasn't signed yet. We will see if Ted wants to paid the Luxury Tax or if Grunfield gets spooked by Wall's reluctance to sign the extension offer.

Wall won't sign that extension this year. I'm near certain of that. But if he did, it wouldn't come into effect until 2019-2020.

Leonsis won't wake up. Ernie is his useful scapegoat who he knows he won't ever have to fire because the local media sucks and the fan base has been demoralized for almost 4 decades.

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