Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[nate33]

Nate let me ask you something? how can the lakers not buy Miller out for the 2 that guaranteed if we trade him before the 30th ?
Plus maybe they would be fine buying him out over paying Nash to leave. and maybe they would be fine with having webster. Maybe they would do that? then if we get nash to leave we get a bit more room.

From Larry Coon:

When the trade deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option or ETO.

I'm pretty sure the team option on Miller's final year must be exercised before he can be traded.

From my understanding it's not a team option or an ETO is it? It's just that only 2 mil of that 4.5 hes owed is guaranteed, so if he stays on the team he get's the full amount, if a team cuts him he does not get the full 4.5, the team only has to pay him 2. That's how I understand it as I am reading the details of the contract, or am I misunderstanding it?

I don't know for sure if a partially guaranteed deal is treated like an option year or not.

[verbal8]

For trade purposes salary is the same whether or not it is guarranteed. It is one reason why an unguarranteed contract is more valuable from a trade perspective than one with a team option.

With Miller's contract he has to be cut this NBA year or the full contract becomes guarranteed.

From Larry Coon:

I'm pretty sure the team option on Miller's final year must be exercised before he can be traded.

From my understanding it's not a team option or an ETO is it? It's just that only 2 mil of that 4.5 hes owed is guaranteed, so if he stays on the team he get's the full amount, if a team cuts him he does not get the full 4.5, the team only has to pay him 2. That's how I understand it as I am reading the details of the contract, or am I misunderstanding it?

I don't know for sure if a partially guaranteed deal is treated like an option year or not.

[dckingsfan]

Beal + Nene for DeMarcus Cousins + Ben McLemore. Thoughts?

I would be shocked if they traded Cousins.

[gambitx777]

Beal and NENE for Cousins and McLemore would be horrible !

[LyricalRico]

For trade purposes salary is the same whether or not it is guarranteed. It is one reason why an unguarranteed contract is more valuable from a trade perspective than one with a team option.

With Miller's contract he has to be cut this NBA year or the full contract becomes guarranteed.

That's my understanding as well - it doesn't matter who has him or when they got him as long as they waive him before the deadline specified in the contract.

[Dark Faze]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

[TGW]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

You already know it's going to happen, regardless of the demand for Gortat.

The Wizards already blew a first rounder to get him...if they lose Gortat in free agency it would be an admission that the trade was a complete failure (which it was).

I would actually have some respect for Grunfail if he moved on from Gortat (and Ariza) and tried to build through free agency.

Trying to keep together a middling team with no hopes of a championship is more than likely what they do.

[Dark Faze]

all im asking for is to let the market set the price--if we're the only ones looking to bring him in as a starter then why don't we start at 7 million a year in negotiations? why not actually negotiate?

[thinker07]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

You already know it's going to happen, regardless of the demand for Gortat.

The Wizards already blew a first rounder to get him...if they lose Gortat in free agency it would be an admission that the trade was a complete failure (which it was).

I would actually have some respect for Grunfail if he moved on from Gortat (and Ariza) and tried to build through free agency.

Trying to keep together a middling team with no hopes of a championship is more than likely what they do.

OK I get it that you didn't like the Gortat trade - but COMPLETE failure? The only way it was a complete failure is if you wanted to tank last year - not get to the second round of the playoffs. And this past year was a tough year to tank because so many other teams were tanking.

[Dark Faze]

all im asking for is to let the market set the price--if we're the only ones looking to bring him in as a starter then why don't we start at 7 million a year in negotiations? why not actually negotiate?

[nate33]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

This is really good news though. Dallas was probably the biggest threat to pay Gortat big money. They're one of the few teams with cap room that are in "win now" mode who would be looking for older vets.

[thinker07]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

This is really good news though. Dallas was probably the biggest threat to pay Gortat big money. They're one of the few teams with cap room that are in "win now" mode who would be looking for older vets.

I think this helps make it possible to keep Gortat and Ariza for $20 million or less.

[Rafael122]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 2m
Sources tell ESPN that Mavericks are in advanced talks on deal to complete trade that will bring Chandler and Raymond Felton to Dallas

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

This is really good news though. Dallas was probably the biggest threat to pay Gortat big money. They're one of the few teams with cap room that are in "win now" mode who would be looking for older vets.

Something I just thought about, will the focus on the Mavs move from Gortat to Ariza? They have $30 mil in cap space roughly, you would assume they will go ahead and re-sign Dirk to a Duncan-like contract, say 3 yrs/$30 million. That's enough money to go after Lowry/Bledsoe and Ariza.

[Dark Faze]

lowry
ellis
ariza
dirk
chandler

not bad

[Wizardspride]

all im asking for is to let the market set the price--if we're the only ones looking to bring him in as a starter then why don't we start at 7 million a year in negotiations? why not actually negotiate?

So you would like Gortat to take a pay cut?

Last year he made 7.7

[Dark Faze]

all im asking for is to let the market set the price--if we're the only ones looking to bring him in as a starter then why don't we start at 7 million a year in negotiations? why not actually negotiate?

So you would like Gortat to take a pay cut?

Last year he made 7.7

that's what negotiating is, you try to get him for the least you possibly can

you don't start your offer at 10 million to start when nobody else has even called his agent

so yea, if the highest offer is 7 then I want him to take a paycut because thats what the market dictates

if we're not going to have any superstars on this team then its imperative that Ernie makes us a winner through depth and thats only possible by strong negotiating and good signing

[gambitx777]

I think we heavily explore sign and trade options for Ariza, I really think we should let him go, If he coasts us more than 7-8 mill a year. Gortat you can understand over paying for because he is arguably a top 15 center. But ariza, no you can easily replace a 3 and D guy like him with someone like Jordan Hamilton, who would be much cheaper!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal + Nene for DeMarcus Cousins + Ben McLemore. Thoughts?

No, Beal has a bright future and I just can't see letting him go after he had a decent playoffs.

Porter and Nene, yeah. In a heartbeat

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[JWizmentality]

A headcase and Nick Young 2.0....great.

[TGW]

watch us be literally the only team looking to get Gortat now and still end up "rewarding him" with a dumb contract

This is really good news though. Dallas was probably the biggest threat to pay Gortat big money. They're one of the few teams with cap room that are in "win now" mode who would be looking for older vets.

I think this helps make it possible to keep Gortat and Ariza for $20 million or less.