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Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM

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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#341 » by AFM » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:22 pm

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AFM wrote:I still wish we had Crawford off the bench as the primary ballhandler. He could score and facilitate. Now we have Maynor who is somehow worse than AJ Price was. Who is going to score off the bench? Martell and who else? Porter?


Any by "facilitate", you mean dribbling the ball up the court and taking a contested 25 footer with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?

He was seemingly both a ball hog and a good passer.
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Post#342 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:38 pm

AFM wrote:I still wish we had Crawford off the bench as the primary ballhandler. He could score and facilitate. Now we have Maynor who is somehow worse than AJ Price was. Who is going to score off the bench? Martell and who else? Porter?


Wouldn't have mattered. Randy didn't turn to that when he had a chance last year and even started Pargo over him. He tied everyone but Crawford until he had no other choice and Crawford went off for like 30 pts and had a couple really nice games with high assists. Then he replaced him as soon as he could.

Big Balls was an entertaining character and could get it going sometimes, but he is way to unconventional for Randy to handle.

I felt he should have been the stating PG with Wall out and he would have made for an interesting back up PG once he returned. Crawford was miscast as a back up SG instead of a back up PG. When he played PG, he was less likely to be a shot jacker because he had the ball in his hands more and he actually is a willing passer.

Would have been real interesting to see him backing up Wall right now specially since this team has so little in the way of playing that can dribble drive assist, score and who can create their own space. Hate on him if you want, but Crawford could do those things. And he was always ready for the next game.

Randy F'd Crawford like he is Ves.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#343 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 5:57 pm

TGW wrote:
AFM wrote:I still wish we had Crawford off the bench as the primary ballhandler. He could score and facilitate. Now we have Maynor who is somehow worse than AJ Price was. Who is going to score off the bench? Martell and who else? Porter?


Any by "facilitate", you mean dribbling the ball up the court and taking a contested 25 footer with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?


He would have been a better back up PG then anything we have on the team. He was better then Price as well.

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Good thing we have Maynor in his place.

Can we have their Head Coach.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#344 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:22 pm

closg00 wrote:This will perhaps show my desperation for wanting a win last night, but I actually wanted to see Jan in the game in-place of Booker at points. I thought Booker did not look %100 (Despite getting almost a double-double)

Perhaps Jan's playing-time would have been a net-negative since he most-likely would not have been able to score the way the Book did, but Book lacked the type of energy that I am used to seeing him play at when he is fully healthy.


Its ok.

Give it four more games and Booker will pull up injured.

Then Randy will be forced into using this roster better. Same thing I used to blame EFJ for doing.

Just once I want a coach that is proactive and has some vision. So tired of these cut and paste types. I like some of what Randy brings, but he isn't the complete package and as a result, he is the cause of loses, not the solution to them which is what a coach should be.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#345 » by LyricalRico » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:23 pm

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Upper Decker wrote:I'm still sort of in shock about this team. This team has taken on too much of the personality of it's leader, Nene. There's no passion, no real effort, no concern whether they win or lose because they already got theirs. The only chance for this team to compete is if Wall is constantly, efficiently, and perfectly in attack mode. Even if he plays at 75% this team is out matched tremendously.

Also, the book on Gortat coming over is that he's not a post player. He's done nothing to dispel this assertion. Don't give him the rock with his back to the basket!


People laughed at me when I said I was seriously concerned about Nenes attitude following the first pre-season game. I stated I was super concerned about him accusing Brook of playing too hard and for claiming he was receiving too many minutes, and went as far as to compare it to being as bad as the attitude from our clown era players.

Two games into the pre-season and our backup bigs look charmin soft, Nene misses a game, and we lose two games almost completely because of how many second chance and flat out at the rim baskets we allowed.

Luckily only our backup bigs have caught Nenes disease so far, but if it spreads to our wing guys we're going to be Wiggins bad--which may be a good thing if it brings in a draft pick, new coach (george karl pls), and new gm.


Yeah, looks like you were right about Nene. I think we will be able to count on Gortat, though, and Booker at least gives effort.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#346 » by barelyawake » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:34 pm

Every time I'm in Denver at a bar, people say that the reason they got frustrated with Nene is he held back, wasn't a leader, took games off etc.

I like Nene. But, he's the reason I've been saying for awhile that we need a leader. And that's why I liked having Okafor, because he was a leader. A team needs at least one big who can command the attention of the team and be the rock when things are spiraling out of control.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#347 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 6:50 pm

AFM wrote:I still wish we had Crawford off the bench as the primary ballhandler. He could score and facilitate. Now we have Maynor who is somehow worse than AJ Price was. Who is going to score off the bench? Martell and who else? Porter?


That's our EG and Randy combo. Not sure which to point the finger at more.

Not like Randy was using Crawford properly anyway. Then Randy did a masterful job of getting zero for him after Randy buried him on the bench behind the likes of Mack and Price.

Then we bring in a slow Maynor who can't create or shoot to replace them. And for only 2M for two years.

And they still own Dray.. $7,794,921 and $8,471,339 :lol:

And are they paying..

Shannon Brown $3,500,000
Kendall Marshall $2,005,560

as well ?
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#348 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:12 pm

Pair of thoughts.

1. Not surprised by the early season struggles. The team isn't remotely what was planned to be last june when they semi-botched the draft imho. No Okafor, no Porter, Nene is dinged etc.

2. Not sure why some seem sky is falling about Beal etc.

The one thing I am sure of is that Bradley Beal will be just fine and turn out a great player.

Everything else I am totally unsure of which is why I loathed the Gortat trade. Just way too many question marks, and way too low of a ceiling to justify such a roll the dice deal.

Not bothered at all by the start. Missing the playoffs is in the long term interests of the team if it turns out to be. New GM, keep our pick, get one more building block etc.

If they win, they win, but I am getting quite suspicious about whether this team is even as good as my 36-43 win expectation (or thereabouts) that I predicted.

Looking more like my pre-gortat, 37-45 prediction was more accurate.

It's still real early though, and the team is nowhere near what it was designed to be (43 win 7-8 seed that played great d etc), and its having to remake itself on the fly. We'll see. My money would be on us finishing 10th-11th in the conference, however.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#349 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:35 pm

AFM wrote:
TGW wrote:
AFM wrote:I still wish we had Crawford off the bench as the primary ballhandler. He could score and facilitate. Now we have Maynor who is somehow worse than AJ Price was. Who is going to score off the bench? Martell and who else? Porter?


Any by "facilitate", you mean dribbling the ball up the court and taking a contested 25 footer with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?

He was seemingly both a ball hog and a good passer.

equals very bad decision-maker.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#350 » by Ruzious » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:39 pm

Folks, it's 2 games. We usually have to lose 10 in a row before people panic. Relax. We can still reach that glorious goal of 8th seed.
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Post#351 » by montestewart » Sat Nov 2, 2013 7:57 pm

Ruzious wrote:Folks, it's 2 games. We usually have to lose 10 in a row before people panic. Relax. We can still reach that glorious goal of 8th seed.

I can see my projection was a little optimistic, but I'm not panicking, because even if they play much worse than 44-38, it won't be too much of a surprise. It's not like the shortcomings seen so far (Wall, Nene, no backup PG, no interior depth, defense without Okafor) is coming out of left field.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#352 » by hands11 » Sat Nov 2, 2013 8:23 pm

Ruzious wrote:Folks, it's 2 games. We usually have to lose 10 in a row before people panic. Relax. We can still reach that glorious goal of 8th seed.


Wait, I just remembered. If we miss the playoffs, we get to keep the pick.

Now where did I put that tank key...

Gotta be in one of these draws somewhere.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#353 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sat Nov 2, 2013 8:42 pm

Well now Wizards might be without Nene AND Wall vs Miami.


And how is it Wittman is oblivious to the fact his starting pg and supposed franchise player is laying on the ground getting treatment on his back during the game???

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Post#354 » by jeffsays » Sat Nov 2, 2013 9:26 pm

hands11 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Folks, it's 2 games. We usually have to lose 10 in a row before people panic. Relax. We can still reach that glorious goal of 8th seed.


Wait, I just remembered. If we miss the playoffs, we get to keep the pick.

Now where did I put that tank key...

Gotta be in one of these draws somewhere.

I thought the pick was top 12 protected? So couldn't we end up as the 13th position and miss the playoffs?
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#355 » by Kanyewest » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:06 pm

Maynor was ok in game 2- 4 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds, 0 turnovers. Yes I would rather have some other choices but not Jordan Crawford.

Beal is going through a mini sophomore slump. Hopefully, Beal brings his A game to Miami and build off of that. Still, I would be shocked if the Wizards beat Miami given how they have looked over the past two games.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#356 » by GhostsOfGil » Sat Nov 2, 2013 10:31 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Maynor was ok in game 2- 4 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds, and 0 rebounds. Yes I would rather have some other choices but not Jordan Crawford.

Beal is going through a mini sophomore slump. Hopefully, Beal brings his A game to Miami and build off of that. Still, I would be shocked if the Wizards beat Miami given how they have looked over the past two games.


Beal torched Miami during the preseason. I'm sure their game plan will be centered around guarding the perimeter. Especially if Nene is out.
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Post#357 » by dlts20 » Sun Nov 3, 2013 4:50 am

y do people overreact to everything. Just like Skins fans with RG3 or Bulls fans with Rose. Its 2 games. There is nothing wrong with Beal. Sometimes you just get out of rhythm. He'll get it back. Not worried about him at all. He'll find it again soon and will be great after that. I predicted this before the season. I said that he almost played too good in the preseason so I could see him peaking too early just like the Skins but he will find his 2nd rhthym and be totally fine after that.

As for Wall, why would he take himself out to save energy? Im just sick of all the low IQ stuff. Just as I ripped Witt and said no coach would take a hot star out that early, no great player would ask to come out that early just to save energy for later. You dont do that. Im a huge boxing fan and it reminds me of this fighter named Zab Judah who was undefeated and in his biggest fight. He started super fast and easily won the first round but then said that he thought he was doing too much so decided to basically take round 2 off to save energy because he felt it would be a long fight. Sure enough that gave his opponent the momentum and he ended up getting KO in the 3rd round.

Dont put off stuff for what might happen. If anything, finish the first or go atleast to the 1min mark and then rest at your normal period. If needed you can rest longer but dont predetermine stuff.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#358 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Nov 3, 2013 5:04 am

dlts20 wrote:y do people overreact to everything. Just like Skins fans with RG3 or Bulls fans with Rose. Its 2 games. There is nothing wrong with Beal. Sometimes you just get out of rhythm. He'll get it back. Not worried about him at all. He'll find it again soon and will be great after that. I predicted this before the season. I said that he almost played too good in the preseason so I could see him peaking too early just like the Skins but he will find his 2nd rhthym and be totally fine after that.

As for Wall, why would he take himself out to save energy? Im just sick of all the low IQ stuff. Just as I ripped Witt and said no coach would take a hot star out that early, no great player would ask to come out that early just to save energy for later. You dont do that. Im a huge boxing fan and it reminds me of this fighter named Zab Judah who was undefeated and in his biggest fight. He started super fast and easily won the first round but then said that he thought he was doing too much so decided to basically take round 2 off to save energy because he felt it would be a long fight. Sure enough that gave his opponent the momentum and he ended up getting KO in the 3rd round.

Dont put off stuff for what might happen. If anything, finish the first or go atleast to the 1min mark and then rest at your normal period. If needed you can rest longer but dont predetermine stuff.




Ha it's been a while since I really watched boxing, but I used to really like Zab Jadah, he was a good boxer and fun to watch. Once he faded from the scene was about the time I stopped watching it in fact. That's a blast from the past... remember that dude Prince Naseem? About the same period De la Hoya was going strong, and Tyson bit off Evander Holyfield's ear.
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#359 » by deneem4 » Sun Nov 3, 2013 10:33 am

I wish we would've just traded nene for humpries last yr like I said...could've had Brooks at backup sg and with okafor out humpries wouldv played center and let ves start with him...atleast we could rebound all the clunkers beal threw up...

Or did my trade of...nene/porter/ariza (or 1st)....for....
hawes/young/turner

Maybe we'll be undefeated cause those guys are playing like contenders
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Re: Game Thread #2 Wiz vs Philly Home Opener Nov 1, 7PM 

Post#360 » by DaRealHibachi » Sun Nov 3, 2013 11:47 am

dlts20 wrote:y do people overreact to everything. Just like Skins fans with RG3 or Bulls fans with Rose. Its 2 games. There is nothing wrong with Beal. Sometimes you just get out of rhythm. He'll get it back. Not worried about him at all. He'll find it again soon and will be great after that. I predicted this before the season. I said that he almost played too good in the preseason so I could see him peaking too early just like the Skins but he will find his 2nd rhthym and be totally fine after that.

As for Wall, why would he take himself out to save energy? Im just sick of all the low IQ stuff. Just as I ripped Witt and said no coach would take a hot star out that early, no great player would ask to come out that early just to save energy for later. You dont do that. Im a huge boxing fan and it reminds me of this fighter named Zab Judah who was undefeated and in his biggest fight. He started super fast and easily won the first round but then said that he thought he was doing too much so decided to basically take round 2 off to save energy because he felt it would be a long fight. Sure enough that gave his opponent the momentum and he ended up getting KO in the 3rd round.

Dont put off stuff for what might happen. If anything, finish the first or go atleast to the 1min mark and then rest at your normal period. If needed you can rest longer but dont predetermine stuff.


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