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GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm

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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#361 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:17 am

jivelikenice wrote:I just don't understand what Wittman is doing. I would blame individuals for this loss, but it all goes back to Wittman.

1. He consistently this season has failed to get players back in quickly enough when they start well. Why did it take so long to get Okafor and Webster back in during the 2nd and 4th quarters?

2. He refuses to give Beal and Crawford any minutes together. The result it one of these guys plays poorly, or they both do like they did tonight cause they don't get the shots to get in a rhythm.

3. He's trying to keep everyone happy. Too many guys need to get their shots & minutes on this team. He needs to tighten the rotation and play the players who are performing. Okafor was +19 tonight!!! Why didn't he play 38-40 minutes?

4. He leans on Nene to heavily. When Nene doesn't have it, he has to stop force feeding him

5. Lastly,, not as big of a deal but where's Vesely? He played well in his meaningful minutes versus the Wolves and he hasn't seen any court since? Why?

6. Offensively, where was the high pick & roll? That's their best offensive set, with Wall starting near the halfcourt corners and gaining his momentum as he goes around picks. The floor is spread open and he uses that set to either get to the hoop or create an open shot from the corner.

One roster point, a game like tonight emphasizes the need for a STRETCH 4. The halfcourt offense was stagnant based on the sets Wittman was calling. A stretch 4 would have opened it up a bit.


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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#362 » by Knighthonor » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:06 am

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jivelikenice wrote:I just don't understand what Wittman is doing. I would blame individuals for this loss, but it all goes back to Wittman.

1. He consistently this season has failed to get players back in quickly enough when they start well. Why did it take so long to get Okafor and Webster back in during the 2nd and 4th quarters?

2. He refuses to give Beal and Crawford any minutes together. The result it one of these guys plays poorly, or they both do like they did tonight cause they don't get the shots to get in a rhythm.

3. He's trying to keep everyone happy. Too many guys need to get their shots & minutes on this team. He needs to tighten the rotation and play the players who are performing. Okafor was +19 tonight!!! Why didn't he play 38-40 minutes?

4. He leans on Nene to heavily. When Nene doesn't have it, he has to stop force feeding him

5. Lastly,, not as big of a deal but where's Vesely? He played well in his meaningful minutes versus the Wolves and he hasn't seen any court since? Why?

6. Offensively, where was the high pick & roll? That's their best offensive set, with Wall starting near the halfcourt corners and gaining his momentum as he goes around picks. The floor is spread open and he uses that set to either get to the hoop or create an open shot from the corner.

One roster point, a game like tonight emphasizes the need for a STRETCH 4. The halfcourt offense was stagnant based on the sets Wittman was calling. A stretch 4 would have opened it up a bit.


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Perhaps there is something positive out of this bad line up. We all maybe over looking it.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#363 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:07 am

keynote wrote:Okafor and Nene only have one chi that they have to share. So when Okafor advances, Nene must recede.


Seems that way.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#364 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:10 am

Upper Decker wrote:This game just shows that wall isnt even close to being a top pg. He simply cannot run an offense. Isiah thomas owns wall.


Thomas has beat Wall before. Seems like he did it more than once last season IIRC.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#365 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:16 am

AFM wrote:Wizards: Where we beat OKC and repeatedly lose to SAC


The only way they can make up for this loss is to win a game a game they are supposed to lose.

This is a huge loss and could start things going real bad real fast.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#366 » by willbcocks » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:02 am

When you have the worst record in the league, is there really such a thing as a huge loss?

I think ya'll drank too much kool-aid the past few weeks. The team is playing a lot better, and they're actually fun to watch, but we have no shot of making the playoffs.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#367 » by Halcyon » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:03 am

Didn't see the game, but looks like a gutpunch.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#368 » by AFM » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:05 am

Halcyon, imagine a bad team that has been playing great playing terribly against a horrific team.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#369 » by montestewart » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:32 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:The only way they can make up for this loss is to win a game a game they are supposed to lose.

Hey, remember a few weeks ago when that was practically every game?
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:This is a huge loss and could start things going real bad real fast.

That could be true, be it could just be a reality check. It doesn't negate some of the signs of life seen recently. It just reminds us that the team has a ways to go.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#370 » by Dat2U » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:59 am

Thomas is a jitterbug, guys like that are going to give any 6-4 guard with a high defensive stance like Wall's. He's just a bad match up for Wall.

Wall played ok. Spacing was terrible though. No one could make a jumper outside 15 ft. Shows you the weaknesses of this team. Especially with Beal playing hurt and ineffective.

Okafor is really building that trade value. We should cash in now.

Nene is really struggling lately. I really think were making a huge mistake by not moving him now.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#371 » by montestewart » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:18 am

Dat2U wrote:Okafor is really building that trade value. We should cash in now.

For a team that's just a rebounding big away from contender status, he's looking like he might be a significant addition. He might actually get the Wizards a decent return if they play it right. Oh, wait a minute...
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#372 » by tontoz » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:25 pm

I wonder how much Nene's knee is bothering him. He game has fallen off a cliff lately.

Shame to waste such a strong game from Okafor but they made so many dumb turnovers they deserved to lose.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#373 » by closg00 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:17 pm

A minor irrelevant point of irritation, Webster was clearly fouled on his tying shot, but did not get the +1. The refs really hate us.

Re: Nene, hey!! That is his game now. Sometimes he can get the better of his match-ups, other times he looks like what he is, an aging center in decline with zero lift.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#374 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:04 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
AFM wrote:Wizards: Where we beat OKC and repeatedly lose to SAC


The only way they can make up for this loss is to win a game a game they are supposed to lose.

This is a huge loss and could start things going real bad real fast.


I posted that before the game.

They are still kind of walking on egg shells. Nothing has really been established yet. It was a big lose. This was supposed to be a revenge game at home where they were hot and SAC was 0-4. Lots of other teams in the conference lost last night. That is how you gain ground. You win that game.

Its Randy's challenge now. It his job to read who is hot and how is not and put them in a position to win.

Tonight. Nene was not only not hot, he was really bad. Kevin on the other hand made two post moves to the rim and was playing not great but good. Kevin was even rebounding. That was a lot more then Nene offered.

Okafor was scoring and rebounding. Why not go with more Kevin and Okafor.

Beal and Crawford had little to offer at SG and you needed defense. Trevor A does that. Why not go to more Webster and Trevor A at the 2 and 3.

Why not try Ves even for a couple mins to end of quarter.

And with all that said, this is what happen to end the game.

Wall baseline, clobbered - No call
Wall on a fast break to the rim, contact - no call
Webster to tie the game at the rim. Make it and is fouled - no call

The refs really swallowed the whistle for us down the stretch.

And what was with that T earlier in the game that was a 6 pt swing momentum killer.

Anyway, Randy come back with that post dump to Nene for his 6th turnover. That was just the icing. That would have been the absolute last play I would have called given the situation and give how Nene played that night.

Coaching is the difference maker.

Its coaching that spots the hot handed Garcia and makes it a priority to shut him down by putting in your defensive stopper Trevor A and saying. Go shut him down.

Its coaching that sees all the turnovers and tell the team. Ok, they are over playing the lanes. For the next 4 mins, I want use to stop the risky passes and get more fundamental. I want more pass fakes with back cuts or fake it and dribble then pass or shoot. Also, we are going to run some spread the floor clear outs for Wall to break them down and get them in foul trouble. We have to put them away by halftime. I want everything you have. I need energy. Give me what you have and we will use the bench to get more when we need it.

We are better then these guys. We have come to far to stop the train now. Now get out there and shut them down and lets put them away. Smart, energy, team defense. We are the Washington Wizards. That has to mean something that puts fear in the other teams eyes. Now let go prove it.

That is what I want to see from my HC. They get a team to focus and they put the right players on the floor to strategically combat what is going on that night from the other team while finding his own advantages. He gets them to 1, 2, 3 .. Push. Everyone pushing in the same direction at the same time. That is coaching.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#375 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:18 pm

willbcocks wrote:When you have the worst record in the league, is there really such a thing as a huge loss?

I think ya'll drank too much kool-aid the past few weeks. The team is playing a lot better, and they're actually fun to watch, but we have no shot of making the playoffs.



Drinking the Kool-Aid was never about saying they would make the playoffs this year. That just came along for the ride because it is still mathematically possible and it is fun to dream of good things for this team once in a while.

The Kool-Aid drinking was about a season turnaround. They can still do that.

Okafor has his glass fulled to the brim.
Webster is on board.

They have been playing well and winning. Lets not forget they just beat Chicago.

It was a tough lose, but the season turnaround is not dead.

Again, this next run of 8 games is what is going to tell the story. Not one lose to SAC.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#376 » by hands11 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:24 pm

AFM wrote:Halcyon, imagine a bad team that has been playing great playing terribly against a horrific team.


Every team has teams they don't match up well against. SAC is that for us.

Cousins causes them a lot of problems. So does IT.

Hey, lost both games by 2.

Thats when you need coaching to be your advantage.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#377 » by Higga » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:07 pm

Guess they let all the hot streak talk get to their head.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#378 » by Nivek » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:09 pm

Not sure how exactly an 11-31 team lets "success" go to their heads, but hey...Wizards.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#379 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:16 pm

Nivek wrote:Not sure how exactly an 11-31 team lets "success" go to their heads, but hey...Wizards.


7 of 10 wins can make teams complacent even if they stink overall for the season.
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Re: GT: Kings @ Wizards 1-28-13 7:00pm 

Post#380 » by Nivek » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:38 pm

Well yeah, it "can." Apparently it just did. But it shouldn't if that team has genuine playoff aspirations. Their margin for error is gone. They can't afford any more bad losses, which means there should be no complacency. IF their goals are what they say their goals are. If they're just talking, then letting "success" (defined in this instance as three good weeks) go to their heads is to be expected.
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